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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:21:53 AM EDT
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Was a pretty good movie, but 'Good Fellas' should have won best picture Oscar that year... not DWW. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:33:04 AM EDT
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Great photography, good acting, and it's not a bad adventure move. That said, the story is the typical Enlightened White Savior PC bullcrap fantasy (Little Big Man, A Man Called Horse, etc.) that modern Hollywood likes to put out in order to assuage their White Guilt.
Although the movie did correctly feature the Pawnee as an example of the ethnic hatred and dirty warfare practiced by the various tribes against each other. The Union Pacific had a company of about 150 Pawnee mercenaries they used to collect scalps of the Cheyenne and Lakota who were bothering them during construction of the Transcontinental Railroad. They were far more efficient and deadly than the US Cavalry units assigned to protect the railroad workers, largely because they had generations-old scores to settle. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 1:36:05 AM EDT
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I liked it a lot, and also Open Range. I have both on DVD, and have watched them quite a bit.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 2:33:15 AM EDT
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i liked it better when it was called AVATAR!!!! 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 2:36:07 AM EDT
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Awesome movie, even better after I just found out Standing with Fists was not Jane Fonda. For some crazy reason I always thought it was Jane Fonda. Now that I know I clearly see I was wrong for thinking it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 2:38:03 AM EDT
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Same Actress (Mary McDonell) was also President Roslin in Battlestar Galactica Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awesome movie, even better after I just found out Standing with Fists was not Jane Fonda. For some crazy reason I always thought it was Jane Fonda. Now that I know I clearly see I was wrong for thinking it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 11:33:25 AM EDT
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The cinematography is wonderfully done.
Open Range is also well done |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 11:39:02 AM EDT
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Dances with wolves, last of the mohicans and the last samurai are all the same movie  Much like The Martian is Castaway in space... Hollywood ran out of ideas decades ago. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 11:45:04 AM EDT
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I really like that movie. Always loved the showdown between Costner's character and the native who wants to keep his hat.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:03:36 PM EDT
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I really like that movie. Always loved the showdown between Costner's character and the native who wants to keep his hat. “Well, you can see that he wants it back.” |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:07:42 PM EDT
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I really like that movie. Always loved the showdown between Costner's character and the native who wants to keep his hat. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Costner was not in Major League. 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:19:04 PM EDT
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'Tard movie.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:36:49 PM EDT
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Ending makes me want to kill whitey...
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:40:56 PM EDT
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The biggest problem with DWW is that far from being innocent of white men and their ways, the Lakota had been dealing with white people for a long time. The Mountain Men has been going west to the Rockies and back for roughly 60 years by this point and all the tribes in between knew all about white people. The Oregon Trail was already a thing and had been since roughly the 1840's. They knew about guns, and there were more than a few trading posts sprinkled out across the prairie so the Lakota certainly knew about coffee, sugar, etc. The idea that by the 1860's there was a single tribe anywhere in the Kansas area northward who didn't know about the white people is laughable. All the Lakota, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Pawnee, Arikara, Mandan, Osage etc tribes of the Kansas and upper Missouri areas knew and traded and fought with white people for many years before this movie is set. White people had been running around there for a generation or longer by the time this movie takes place in.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 12:46:55 PM EDT
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When I was there they had the horse that played Cisco. I'm sure he's died by now. http://www.1880town.com/1880-town/dances-with-wolves/ |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 1:27:09 PM EDT
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Dances with wolves, last of the mohicans and the last samurai are all the same movie |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 1:30:44 PM EDT
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The biggest problem with DWW is that far from being innocent of white men and their ways, the Lakota had been dealing with white people for a long time. The Mountain Men has been going west to the Rockies and back for roughly 60 years by this point and all the tribes in between knew all about white people. The Oregon Trail was already a thing and had been since roughly the 1840's. They knew about guns, and there were more than a few trading posts sprinkled out across the prairie so the Lakota certainly knew about coffee, sugar, etc. The idea that by the 1860's there was a single tribe anywhere in the Kansas area northward who didn't know about the white people is laughable. All the Lakota, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Pawnee, Arikara, Mandan, Osage etc tribes of the Kansas and upper Missouri areas knew and traded and fought with white people for many years before this movie is set. White people had been running around there for a generation or longer by the time this movie takes place in. The coffee scene in which Wind In His Hair starts dumping handfuls of sugar into Kicking Bird's coffee is pretty funny. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 1:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It angered me that Stone Calf had to be told to 'Shoot the gun!!' when the Pawnee raid their camp. Even an old fart like him would have known about the value in a good firearm, and certainly would have traded for, or stolen one from an enemy who no longer needed it. The coffee scene in which Wind In His Hair starts dumping handfuls of sugar into Kicking Bird's coffee is pretty funny. 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 1:37:25 PM EDT
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Here's a picture of two of the actors right after the "killing" scene near the start of the movie: http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/dances-with-wolves-quotes/STUDI.jpg |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 1:37:51 PM EDT
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"It's not personal, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a picture of two of the actors right after the "killing" scene near the start of the movie: http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/dances-with-wolves-quotes/STUDI.jpg 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 2:03:15 PM EDT
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The biggest problem with DWW is that far from being innocent of white men and their ways, the Lakota had been dealing with white people for a long time. The Mountain Men has been going west to the Rockies and back for roughly 60 years by this point and all the tribes in between knew all about white people. The Oregon Trail was already a thing and had been since roughly the 1840's. They knew about guns, and there were more than a few trading posts sprinkled out across the prairie so the Lakota certainly knew about coffee, sugar, etc. The idea that by the 1860's there was a single tribe anywhere in the Kansas area northward who didn't know about the white people is laughable. All the Lakota, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Pawnee, Arikara, Mandan, Osage etc tribes of the Kansas and upper Missouri areas knew and traded and fought with white people for many years before this movie is set. White people had been running around there for a generation or longer by the time this movie takes place in. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 2:11:07 PM EDT
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Here's a picture of two of the actors right after the "killing" scene near the start of the movie: http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/dances-with-wolves-quotes/STUDI.jpg |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 3:54:10 PM EDT
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Your forgot Avatar. It’s just blue Indians. 
You may be on to something. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 4:20:37 PM EDT
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When I was there they had the horse that played Cisco. I'm sure he's died by now. http://www.1880town.com/1880-town/dances-with-wolves/ |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 4:24:37 PM EDT
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Dances with wolves, last of the mohicans and the last samurai are all the same movie |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 4:25:43 PM EDT
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Kkkkkkkkickkkkkking bbbbbird....is a good character...
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Posted: 7/3/2019 4:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard Wes Studi is a pretty cool guy. No idea who now, but someone here said they met him while playing as an extra in some movie he was in. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 4:52:41 PM EDT
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Don't forget Avatar Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dances with wolves, last of the mohicans and the last samurai are all the same movie |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 5:07:59 PM EDT
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I liked it .
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Posted: 7/3/2019 5:52:02 PM EDT
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I found it okay. For Costner, I liked Open Range with him and Duvall much more so.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Dances with wolves, last of the mohicans and the last samurai are all the same movie 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 6:23:56 PM EDT
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In before tatonka
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Posted: 7/3/2019 6:33:01 PM EDT
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A good portion of the movie was filmed right here. It was quite the "to-do" when they were here filming. Costner liked the area so much he was going to open a casino near Deadwood but alas, it died on the vine. 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 6:57:12 PM EDT
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I didn't notice it the first time but the second time I watched it it drove me crazy seeing the 80's hair on the captured white woman. She was a captive doing the crappiest chores but they didn't make her hair look like the rest of the women.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 9:27:46 PM EDT
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I didn't notice it the first time but the second time I watched it it drove me crazy seeing the 80's hair on the captured white woman. She was a captive doing the crappiest chores but they didn't make her hair look like the rest of the women. There was a scene in which her mother is brushing her hair, and it stayed poofy, so I guess she just had curly hair. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:11:55 PM EDT
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She was white, and she wasn't a captive. Rather, she was Kicking Bird's adopted daughter. She had moved back in with him and Black Shawl, his wife and her adopted mother, after her husband was killed. The deleted scenes showed her anguish when the rest of the war party brought back his body. That's why she was bleeding on the prairie when Dunbar found her; women cut their flesh when in mourning, men cut their hair. There was a scene in which her mother is brushing her hair, and it stayed poofy, so I guess she just had curly hair. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't notice it the first time but the second time I watched it it drove me crazy seeing the 80's hair on the captured white woman. She was a captive doing the crappiest chores but they didn't make her hair look like the rest of the women. There was a scene in which her mother is brushing her hair, and it stayed poofy, so I guess she just had curly hair. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:37:44 PM EDT
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I liked the movie.
Spidey. You got any paper? |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:50:43 PM EDT
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I forget which member it was, but I believe the movie was Last of the Mohicans. 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 11:06:44 PM EDT
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Here's a picture of two of the actors right after the "killing" scene near the start of the movie: http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/dances-with-wolves-quotes/STUDI.jpg 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 11:31:50 PM EDT
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Watch Jeremiah Johnson instead.
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Posted: 7/4/2019 1:35:53 AM EDT
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I liked the movie. |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 2:10:25 AM EDT
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I disagree with the idea that the natives in this movie were treated with Noble Savage glorification. They were humanized, and shown to be complex, difficult people to understand - from his perspective and our own. The Pawnee, also natives, were not shown as noble - they were characterized as much more violent and less human, even tho on the surface they shared almost everything with the Lakota people. And, the Lakota were shown to be just as apt to engage in violence, theft, intolerance - right up until Dunbar mystifies them and frustrates them. They both, as sides used to treating each other with hostility and contempt, decide to try to understand one another - with good and sometimes bad outcomes. That's not Hollywood treatment, in a sense. It does not blame whitey, or cast the natives as victims - they have equal screen time doing bad shit to others. What it does is show the conflict of clashing cultures and how sometimes, because of two extraordinary people's curiosity, a peace and understanding can exist - something that's actually happened in this world, many times, and thankfully so. To see this as SJW bullshit is really missing the entire point of the movie, and is a bit of selective viewing with your bias on. Sure, there's some liberal glasses engaged, but it's not fair to categorize the theme of the movie as preachy. |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 4:00:47 AM EDT
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The scene in which Ten Bears produces the Spanish helmet would have been accurate if they were Comanche, which, of course, they weren't. Dunbar's narrating of how hard the Pawnee were on the Sioux was also accurate, but 180 degrees off from the truth. We were the penultimate conquerors of the Northern Great Plains, roaring out of the Minnesota forests and gobbling up territory as we expanded westward. |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 4:07:35 AM EDT
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Shung... |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 5:34:39 AM EDT
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A good portion of the movie was filmed right here. It was quite the "to-do" when they were here filming. Costner liked the area so much he was going to open a casino near Deadwood but alas, it died on the vine. |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 11:07:39 AM EDT
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thanks for the info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't notice it the first time but the second time I watched it it drove me crazy seeing the 80's hair on the captured white woman. She was a captive doing the crappiest chores but they didn't make her hair look like the rest of the women. There was a scene in which her mother is brushing her hair, and it stayed poofy, so I guess she just had curly hair.  Stand With A Fist's Husband (Director's Cut) The man holding her is Wind In His Hair, and he is probably in anguish too, because her husband was his best friend. |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 11:09:28 AM EDT
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I've heard Wes Studi is a pretty cool guy. No idea who now, but someone here said they met him while playing as an extra in some movie he was in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a picture of two of the actors right after the "killing" scene near the start of the movie: http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/dances-with-wolves-quotes/STUDI.jpg I have always liked him. 
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Posted: 7/4/2019 11:13:53 AM EDT
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Everyone was speaking in the female dialect, since they were taught the language by Doris Leader Charge. She was a Lakota language professor at Sinte Gleska University, and was in the film as the wife of Ten Bears.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr-jackHWCwQuote HistoryQuoted:
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They say the real Lakota laughed in the movie theater during the screening at some of the wrong native language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr-jackHWCw Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 7/4/2019 11:18:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOl’ Mel is a goddamn genius. ‘Dey darker dan us, Woo!!’ |
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