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Posted: 12/22/2009 6:39:01 AM EST

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I will say again...as I do in all secession threads...if secession occurs then we would need to secure all the military bases to prevent all the equipment from being moved out so that we would have the means to defend ourselves with more than just personally owned rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

Sorry thats US Govt property and they will take it by force if it came to that.
Not saying I would wish that but you don't mess with Texas and you sure as hell don't fuck with the US Military, they will ruin your day.

Come... and take it?

They will and there isn't a fucking thing you could do about it.

You sound like some shrimp in a school yard threatening to sic your older brother on the rest of us for spilling your milk.

No just jealous I wans't born in Texas

2nd reality check....we would have to secure the border on all sides....Locking down the southern border would be a must otherwise we would be overrun with illegals. As well securing the border with the US.

edit...and I own page 5....I move the page 5 secedes from the thread.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:39:15 AM EST

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In a world where the unraveling of the US, and the dooming of both the residents of TX, and the rest of the union to destruction is a 'good thing'...

Oh yes. The residents of Texas would be DOOMED!

You can't help trolling huh Kstanton?

By the way how long could Texas survive with out protection of the US military.
Not long pal , not long at all.

That's what a lot of folks fail to see. The US military is us. Fellow Texans, Okies, Tennesseens, etc. There are those active duty folks who see things our way. If something like this were to happen, it would get ugly, real ugly. That's the rub. At what point does the benefit, i.e. throwing off the pressures of an unjust and constitutionally uncaring gov't to restart it the way it was intended, outweigh the bad, i.e. having to sacrifice all that you have and love and fighting your fellow American. These are hard choices that have been made a few times in our nations history and unless we can get a handle on things and pull this country out of the nose dive it is in, they are hard choices that each of us may face. Of course, we could just forget it all, watch TV and let the powers that be continue to eat away at our liberty and run this country straight to hell. I wish it would all just get better, but I'm slowly losing faith in the system. Yes, we need to keep voting, keep bitching, but so far those methods haven't been very effective except for the liberals/commies/whatevers that are in power.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:40:42 AM EST

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Well leave already!

The only thing that will happen sooner is watching Cali explode. lol

Are you bothered by others wanting freedom and taking the steps to secure that freedom?

TXL

When it could damage the US as a whole?
You're fucking right, My allegence is to the United States Of America

Anything else or first is fucking treason!

If you asked me, the poli's in Washington are the ones actively committing treason. They are the folks shitting on the constitution I swore to defend....

I would just pack-up and walk away from my home near DC... and never look back.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:43:52 AM EST

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I will say again...as I do in all secession threads...if secession occurs then we would need to secure all the military bases to prevent all the equipment from being moved out so that we would have the means to defend ourselves with more than just personally owned rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

I agree. I am also ready to do my part for my family and for Texas. My family fought and died for Texas, the first time,I would be honored to fight if need be die the second time.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:44:17 AM EST

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Don't forget, most of fly over country would be with us, or rooting for us. Most of those folks see the truth as well.

TXL

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:45:05 AM EST

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I will say again...as I do in all secession threads...if secession occurs then we would need to secure all the military bases to prevent all the equipment from being moved out so that we would have the means to defend ourselves with more than just personally owned rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

I agree. I am also ready to do my part for my family and for Texas. My family fought and died for Texas, the first time,I would be honored to fight if need be die the second time.

I will be happy to fight...not so much the die part though..but if it happens it happens.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:47:23 AM EST

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Considering how well run Texas is run and how everyone already agrees with one another, I am sure it will be a resounding success and Johnson and Johnson will go bankrupt from their KY Jelly sales going flat. (who needs to jack of to the fantasy, when you're living it?)

Nobody in Texas wants to force you at gunpoint to live here or send your money here. Too bad so many from other states don't feel the same way about Texas.

Though it is extremely unlikely to happen I think this attitude would be the problem. I don't think we'd have to worry about Mexico or the Federal government. I think we'd have to worry about the pettiness and jealousy of people in other states and the probability that Texas would be extremely isolationist and not allow most people to enter, reside or work.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:53:34 AM EST

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Considering how well run Texas is run and how everyone already agrees with one another, I am sure it will be a resounding success and Johnson and Johnson will go bankrupt from their KY Jelly sales going flat. (who needs to jack of to the fantasy, when you're living it?)

Nobody in Texas wants to force you at gunpoint to live here or send your money here. Too bad so many from other states don't feel the same way about Texas.

Though it is extremely unlikely to happen I think this attitude would be the problem. I don't think we'd have to worry about Mexico or the Federal government. I think we'd have to worry about the pettiness and jealousy of people in other states and the probability that Texas would be extremely isolationist and not allow most people to enter, reside or work.

Why wouldn't they? They get to use the Federal government as a club to take money from the people of Texas and give it to them.

I don't think we'd have to worry about Texas being Isolationist, tho. Texas has lots of avenues of trade. It's in Texas' interest and the other nations that trade with Texas to keep doing so.

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:57:10 AM EST

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Because secessions always go so well.

OOOOH the pretentious sarcasm meter is off the charts. Good for you but I think you forgot

at the end of your post.

You seem to have a very limited recollection of history. There are far more examples of successful secession than of failed attempts.

Oh and as far as the OP: tldr

I'd like to see some of these example of successful secession and to see how well they fit the current world situation.

I'm sure you realize the reality that the US is in danger of becomingirrelevant on the world stage and turning into a bulkanized collectionof two or more countries will only jump this process ahead decades.

Can't wait for a china ruled world? Succession is the fastest way there.

Succession would have ruined us 145 years ago, and it will ruin us now.

This country was founded on succession.

Sucessful? Certainly.

However, it was a completely different time and completely different circumstances.

Different times, yes. Different circumstances, not really. Taxation without representation ring a bell.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:00:29 AM EST

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Because secessions always go so well.

OOOOH the pretentious sarcasm meter is off the charts. Good for you but I think you forgot

at the end of your post.

You seem to have a very limited recollection of history. There are far more examples of successful secession than of failed attempts.

Oh and as far as the OP: tldr

I'd like to see some of these example of successful secession and to see how well they fit the current world situation.

I'm sure you realize the reality that the US is in danger of becomingirrelevant on the world stage and turning into a bulkanized collectionof two or more countries will only jump this process ahead decades.

Can't wait for a china ruled world? Succession is the fastest way there.

Succession would have ruined us 145 years ago, and it will ruin us now.

This country was founded on succession.

Sucessful? Certainly.

However, it was a completely different time and completely different circumstances.

Different times, yes. Different circumstances, not really. Taxation without representation ring a bell.

I think he's talking about England's poor logistical train from home to the colonies and having to deal with France at the same time.

Of course, the US has to deal with Iraq and Afghanistan right now. And I'm sure more than one foreign government would take the opportunity to raise shit, too. Something like China attacking Taiwan. Or maybe India and Pakistan having another dustup.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:01:41 AM EST

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Still too many fed $$$ worth. Face it, until a state has the balls to completely refuse federal funding, no one's going to secede anytime soon. Money ties this union together far more than any ideology can ever hope break.

Did you not see what we posted? If we remove ourself from the US, stop paying federal taxes, and start paying what we were paying in fed tax, to the state, we will be better off than we are now.

As long as you can convince other states to keep selling y'all electricity and freshwater since you don't have enough.

We supply electricity to other states. Water, we'll get by.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:02:34 AM EST

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It's interesting to say Obama would let us leave. I wonder if someone else would form a coup in order to depose Obama and attempt to save the Union anyway.

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So...how many federal tax $$$ does Texas take in these days?

Who cares, as soon as the welfare stops, the leaches would leave. All the better!

As soon as the social programs stop. Hand them a bus ticket to Detroit, and $100.00, "have fun, don't come back EVER."

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:03:57 AM EST

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Secession = treason. What would a texan secession accomplish?

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:08:27 AM EST

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Still too many fed $$$ worth. Face it, until a state has the balls to completely refuse federal funding, no one's going to secede anytime soon. Money ties this union together far more than any ideology can ever hope break.

Did you not see what we posted? If we remove ourself from the US, stop paying federal taxes, and start paying what we were paying in fed tax, to the state, we will be better off than we are now.

As long as you can convince other states to keep selling y'all electricity and freshwater since you don't have enough.

We supply electricity to other states. Water, we'll get by.

We have a coast....build a deslinization plant and pipe the water to where it is needed.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:09:23 AM EST

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It's interesting to say Obama would let us leave. I wonder if someone else would form a coup in order to depose Obama and attempt to save the Union anyway.

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So...how many federal tax $$$ does Texas take in these days?

Who cares, as soon as the welfare stops, the leaches would leave. All the better!

As soon as the social programs stop. Hand them a bus ticket to Detroit, and $100.00, "have fun, don't come back EVER."

no money for them...put them on a bus with a balogna sammich and a store brand soda.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:17:59 AM EST

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Secession = treason. What would a texan secession accomplish?

Texans would no longer have to abide by Federal laws, pay Federal income taxes, or pay Federal corporate taxes. Nor would Texas businesses by hamstrung by Federal job regulation and the various other barriers to free trade. Texas could build nuclear power plants without consulting or filing any sort of paperwork with the NRC, whatsoever.

You're right. I just don't see the point.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:18:01 AM EST

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Secession = treason. What would a texan secession accomplish?

What did the American Colonies accomplish when they seceded from England?

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:19:22 AM EST

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Secession = treason. What would a texan secession accomplish?

Hmmm, I see that yo've been drinking the Koolaide.

Obama Administration passing laws that are Unconstitional is treasonous. The states that want to secede only want to live under the laws expressly outlined in the existing Constituion. The current administration has already divorced itself from the existing Constitution and the rule of law (from my perspective)...

What would secession accomplish? Preservation of the existing Constitution and the rule of law.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:26:08 AM EST

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Secession = treason. What would a texan secession accomplish?

Hmmm, I see that yo've been drinking the Koolaide.

Obama Administration passing laws that are Unconstitional is treasonous. The states that want to secede only want to live under the laws expressly outlined in the existing Constituion. The current administration has already divorced itself from the existing Constitution and the rule of law (from my perspective)...

What would secession accomplish? Preservation of the existing Constitution and the rule of law.

Strictly speaking, if we secede, the US Constitution will no more apply to us than does the Constitution of France.

Our government's sole Constitution would be the Texas State Constitution, at that point.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:39:12 AM EST

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Secession = treason. What would a texan secession accomplish?

What did the American Colonies accomplish when they seceded from England?

A brief respite, it seems.

Posted: 12/22/2009 7:54:53 AM EST

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It's interesting to say Obama would let us leave. I wonder if someone else would form a coup in order to depose Obama and attempt to save the Union anyway.

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So...how many federal tax $$$ does Texas take in these days?

Who cares, as soon as the welfare stops, the leaches would leave. All the better!

BS they are citizens of the country of Texas, they are yours and no passports will be honored for the Country of Texas, you keep your dregs and we will keep ours.

Whereas I'm perfectly ok with accepting anyone who is pissed off at living under the tyrannical USA and emigrating to Texas. Those are the kinds of people we want.

You can keep the rest.

Oh so you would kick out those Texans you deem unfit to be Texans?
Wow Nazi much LOL

By thre way how do you think you can kick out Texans born and bred?

Dobn't duck that question with a smiley.

One post says that the welfare scum will leave if Texas was independent. Another post says that we will allow in people who hate tyranny and want to move to Texas. Your retort is "Oh so you would kick out those Texans you deem unfit to be Texans? Wow Nazi much LOL"

Did you pass your middle school reading comprehension tests? Seriously?

"will leave" /= "kick out"

Reading comprehension, indeed!

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:01:23 AM EST

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It's interesting to say Obama would let us leave. I wonder if someone else would form a coup in order to depose Obama and attempt to save the Union anyway.

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So...how many federal tax $$$ does Texas take in these days?

Who cares, as soon as the welfare stops, the leaches would leave. All the better!

BS they are citizens of the country of Texas, they are yours and no passports will be honored for the Country of Texas, you keep your dregs and we will keep ours.

Whereas I'm perfectly ok with accepting anyone who is pissed off at living under the tyrannical USA and emigrating to Texas. Those are the kinds of people we want.

You can keep the rest.

Oh so you would kick out those Texans you deem unfit to be Texans?
Wow Nazi much LOL

By thre way how do you think you can kick out Texans born and bred?

Dobn't duck that question with a smiley.

One post says that the welfare scum will leave if Texas was independent. Another post says that we will allow in people who hate tyranny and want to move to Texas. Your retort is "Oh so you would kick out those Texans you deem unfit to be Texans? Wow Nazi much LOL"

Did you pass your middle school reading comprehension tests? Seriously?

"will leave" /= "kick out"

Reading comprehension, indeed!

Once you tell them no more gubmint cheese/money/welfare/food stamps, you would be surprised how many liberals/scum/leeches <insert group name here> will skeeeedadle for the borders.

That leaves the hardworking folk. Sure, some retired folk will be hurting without their social security and medicare, but I'll wager many would still opt to stay just to live in freedom, and would find a way to get by.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:01:43 AM EST

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Posted: 12/22/2009 8:07:39 AM EST

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Posted: 12/22/2009 8:08:23 AM EST

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Still too many fed $$$ worth. Face it, until a state has the balls to completely refuse federal funding, no one's going to secede anytime soon. Money ties this union together far more than any ideology can ever hope break.

Did you not see what we posted? If we remove ourself from the US, stop paying federal taxes, and start paying what we were paying in fed tax, to the state, we will be better off than we are now.

As long as you can convince other states to keep selling y'all electricity and freshwater since you don't have enough.

We supply electricity to other states. Water, we'll get by.

Well thought out plan you have there.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:09:19 AM EST

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If Texas seceded I would be there in a heart beat. No lies, pack my shit and be there

no doubt.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:09:59 AM EST

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In!

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:15:08 AM EST

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Because secessions always go so well.

OOOOH the pretentious sarcasm meter is off the charts. Good for you but I think you forgot

at the end of your post.

You seem to have a very limited recollection of history. There are far more examples of successful secession than of failed attempts.

Oh and as far as the OP: tldr

I'd like to see some of these example of successful secession and to see how well they fit the current world situation.

I'm sure you realize the reality that the US is in danger of becomingirrelevant on the world stage and turning into a bulkanized collectionof two or more countries will only jump this process ahead decades.

Can't wait for a china ruled world? Succession is the fastest way there.

Succession would have ruined us 145 years ago, and it will ruin us now.

You didn't get the memo?

We are ruined already....

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:16:50 AM EST

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Still too many fed $$$ worth. Face it, until a state has the balls to completely refuse federal funding, no one's going to secede anytime soon. Money ties this union together far more than any ideology can ever hope break.

Did you not see what we posted? If we remove ourself from the US, stop paying federal taxes, and start paying what we were paying in fed tax, to the state, we will be better off than we are now.

As long as you can convince other states to keep selling y'all electricity and freshwater since you don't have enough.

We supply electricity to other states. Water, we'll get by.

Well thought out plan you have there.

How does "build a few more nuclear power plants to provide the energy to run a few desalination plants, then sell the salt" sound?

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:17:20 AM EST

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Still too many fed $$$ worth. Face it, until a state has the balls to completely refuse federal funding, no one's going to secede anytime soon. Money ties this union together far more than any ideology can ever hope break.

Did you not see what we posted? If we remove ourself from the US, stop paying federal taxes, and start paying what we were paying in fed tax, to the state, we will be better off than we are now.

As long as you can convince other states to keep selling y'all electricity and freshwater since you don't have enough.

We supply electricity to other states. Water, we'll get by.

Well thought out plan you have there.

What's even more well thought out is your rigorously thought out theory that it is impossible (IMPOSSIBLE! NEVAR BEEN DONE!) for people living in an arid or semi-arid land to live in an independent nation, and especially since the most densely populated parts of Texas receive anywhere from 30"-50" of rainfall a year, and also considering Texas is literally overflowing with energy (energy+seawater=freshwater). The city I live in is semi-arid but we get all of our water within a 100 mile radius, and we deal with shortfalls by *gasp* restricting the watering of lawns during droughts. Oh the humanity! How ever will we survive!!!

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:18:52 AM EST

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umm, do you think we would not be able to contract for water?

Does secession mean it will no longer rain in TX?

We waste a piss pot full of water at places like southfork ranch, and in cities, for decoration.

Trust me, stop wasting the shit, and we'll get by.

TXL

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:18:58 AM EST

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Because secessions always go so well.

OOOOH the pretentious sarcasm meter is off the charts. Good for you but I think you forgot

at the end of your post.

You seem to have a very limited recollection of history. There are far more examples of successful secession than of failed attempts.

Oh and as far as the OP: tldr

You should...It is a great read!

Started reading it. Was too annoyed and insulted. Stopped reading it.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:19:06 AM EST

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It's interesting to say Obama would let us leave. I wonder if someone else would form a coup in order to depose Obama and attempt to save the Union anyway.

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So...how many federal tax $$$ does Texas take in these days?

Who cares, as soon as the welfare stops, the leaches would leave. All the better!

BS they are citizens of the country of Texas, they are yours and no passports will be honored for the Country of Texas, you keep your dregs and we will keep ours.

HAHAHAHAHA. I'm sure you say the same thing about the "dregs" from Mexico. What a success that is!

Further, the US would have MORE border to patrol than they do now. Texas borders with other states add up to about 1700 miles. Plus the remaining 1000 miles of border between NM/AZ/CA and Mexico. So the federal government would have about 2700 miles to patrol instead of the 1950 they do now.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:32:44 AM EST

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Having lived in both states, and TX being home, I think OK would go with TX. However, there are a few things......

1. Football Treaty. UT v OU. Need I say more?
2. Drivers Ed for the Okies. Not used to going that fast.......
3. Plenty of bread and water here, could use some roads.
4. Casinos. We could have our own Los Wages!

We will need NM, CO, WY, MT, and maybe KS, AZ, and NE. That covers plenty of land, water, and resources. Once TX goes, so goes the contiguous red states....

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:39:47 AM EST

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Because secessions always go so well.

OOOOH the pretentious sarcasm meter is off the charts. Good for you but I think you forgot

at the end of your post.

You seem to have a very limited recollection of history. There are far more examples of successful secession than of failed attempts.

Oh and as far as the OP: tldr

I'd like to see some of these example of successful secession and to see how well they fit the current world situation.

I'm sure you realize the reality that the US is in danger of becomingirrelevant on the world stage and turning into a bulkanized collectionof two or more countries will only jump this process ahead decades.

Can't wait for a china ruled world? Succession is the fastest way there.

Succession would have ruined us 145 years ago, and it will ruin us now.

Ah, well there's a distinction to be made here. There are many nations that successfully seceded. In that sense, they were successful. However, as I think you were suggesting, many of these nations that seceded are in a shitty situation now. But THAT is a different issue. I believe that you were suggesting in your earlier post that, if Texas tried to secede, that it would be beaten, as the South was in the civil war. Your tone seemed to be that secession is impossible.

Nations that successfully "seceded": Defining successful secession as declaring independence and getting it. This thread was never about how well those nations are doing in the current world situation. This thread was not that farsighted. This is arfcom remember. We don't do much thinking here. It's just rabble rabble rabble!!
Texas from Mexico.
The Colonies from England.
India from England.
The African Colonies from various European nations.
The Soviet satellite states from the USSR.

Many of these nations are third world countries now, and secession may have been a BAD CHOICE. I'm not taking the position that Texas SHOULD secede. I am taking the position, that arrogant people from other states shouldn't roll their eyes and think we are not capable of doing it.

I agree with your points about the balkanization of the US, and how that would make us sitting ducks for China. In fact, many other parts of the world would be threatened if the US were no longer around to check China's power.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:43:15 AM EST

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Not sure how being a federal military reservist in a seceding
state would go down......

Many of us would have tough decisions to make.

Posted: 12/22/2009 9:17:02 AM EST

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Posted: 12/22/2009 9:19:26 AM EST

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It's interesting to say Obama would let us leave. I wonder if someone else would form a coup in order to depose Obama and attempt to save the Union anyway.

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So...how many federal tax $$$ does Texas take in these days?

Who cares, as soon as the welfare stops, the leaches would leave. All the better!

BS they are citizens of the country of Texas, they are yours and no passports will be honored for the Country of Texas, you keep your dregs and we will keep ours.

HAHAHAHAHA. I'm sure you say the same thing about the "dregs" from Mexico. What a success that is!

Further, the US would have MORE border to patrol than they do now. Texas borders with other states add up to about 1700 miles. Plus the remaining 1000 miles of border between NM/AZ/CA and Mexico. So the federal government would have about 2700 miles to patrol instead of the 1950 they do now.

And this is only if other states do not join us....

Posted: 12/22/2009 9:30:23 AM EST

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100% Looney Tunes!

Well that seals the deal. With Dave's disapproval you can break-away confidently, knowing you did the right thing.

In a world where the unraveling of the US, and the dooming of both the residents of TX, and the rest of the union to destruction is a 'good thing'...

See my original comment....

Nothing good can come of an attempt to break up the union - regardless of the success or failure of said attempt...

News flash, the union is already being destroyed... Christmas eve is a whopper.

Just say Texas did secede, what would the population explosion be like? I'd certainly be headed there. Hope there are enough IT jobs.

I would need an IT job as well!!!

Posted: 12/22/2009 10:26:37 AM EST

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Where did I ever make that argument? Assuming it was 100% legal I would be against it. I would be against it if it was CA or some other liberal hell hole as well.

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:07:08 AM EST

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Where did I ever make that argument? Assuming it was 100% legal I would be against it. I would be against it if it was CA or some other liberal hell hole as well.

Just as I figured. May your chains rest lightly...

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:42:37 AM EST

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Because secessions always go so well.

war of northern agression 2. they just want their tax money.

Yeah, we want your tax money.

Thats exactly why I don't want texas to secede.

WW1 would have went so well if the US was a balcanized region of states.

You think we'd be speaking german, or russian now?

The US breaking up would be game over for us as far as I'm concerned.

We'll be able to limp along separately...until someone big wants to screw with us.

Anyone who refuses to see that is living in an 1800's fantasy world.

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:43:34 AM EST

[#43]

Quoted:
Because secessions always go so well.

1776.

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:47:02 AM EST

[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Because secessions always go so well.

1776.

Yes, texas is a collection of small colonies bordering on the edge of millions of square miles of unclaimed land and ample resources.

We are just entering the industrial revolution, which will allow texas to rise quickly from a wilderness to a respectable world economic force.

The rest of the world is so far away it takes months for them to reach us, making military strikes against us very difficult, both logistically and politically.

Oh wait.

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:48:28 AM EST

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because secessions always go so well.

1776.

April 12, 1861

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:56:20 AM EST

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because secessions always go so well.

1776.

Yes, texas is a collection of small colonies bordering on the edge of millions of square miles of unclaimed land and ample resources.

We are just entering the industrial revolution, which will allow texas to rise quickly from a wilderness to a respectable world economic force.

The rest of the world is so far away it takes months for them to reach us, making military strikes against us very difficult, both logistically and politically.

Oh wait.

I was making the point that general statements like what you made are absurd. Illustrating absurdity with absurdity. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:04:01 PM EST

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Where did I ever make that argument? Assuming it was 100% legal I would be against it. I would be against it if it was CA or some other liberal hell hole as well.

Just as I figured. May your chains rest lightly...

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:04:28 PM EST

[#48]

Texas COULD pull the lever on the "nuclear option" of American politics rather than seceding...

that option being to split into 5 states (already approved as part of Texas' admission to the union). 8 more Texas senators would change the balance of power in the senate & electoral college.

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:06:20 PM EST

[#49]

They should call the states;
Little Texas A
Little Texas B
Little Texas C
Little Taxes D
and
Little Texas FUBO

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:12:06 PM EST

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Where did I ever make that argument? Assuming it was 100% legal I would be against it. I would be against it if it was CA or some other liberal hell hole as well.

Just as I figured. May your chains rest lightly...

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/nickm/uploaded_images/joinordie-794471.jpg

You threatening me?

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