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Posted: 3/13/2019 6:49:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Why is SLS even needed now?
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Posted: 3/13/2019 6:50:36 PM EDT
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Why is SLS even needed now? 
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:04:21 PM EDT
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I'm confused by his statement.. are we or are we not going to shot it around the moon in 2020?
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:10:09 PM EDT
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Congress critters will funnel money to it whether NASA wants it or not.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:10:15 PM EDT
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I'm confused by his statement.. are we or are we not going to shot it around the moon in 2020? |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:20:58 PM EDT
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I'm confused by his statement.. are we or are we not going to shot it around the moon in 2020? |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:21:27 PM EDT
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just fucking use SpaceX
jesus christ this shit isn't rocket surgery |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:22:37 PM EDT
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They delayed the second stage development $$? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm confused by his statement.. are we or are we not going to shot it around the moon in 2020? |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:23:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They delayed the second stage development $$? The SLS, Orion, and Ares so far have taken $50+billion... And the SLS uses no new engines and mostly shuttle hand-me-downs. SLS is a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:23:48 PM EDT
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules?
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:27:22 PM EDT
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules? It will cost over a billion per launch not including the development costs. With those it's more like $3 billion (The cost of 20-30 Falcon Heavies) per launch if we launch more than 10 of them. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:31:47 PM EDT
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I saw Orion, and thought it was going to be a nuclear propulsion ship.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first iteration of SLS uses basically a Delta IV upper stage. The SLS, Orion, and Ares so far have taken $50+billion... And the SLS uses no new engines and mostly shuttle hand-me-downs. SLS is a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:44:29 PM EDT
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It uses Shuttle engines, Stretched Shuttle SRBS, RL-10 engines on the upper stage (a COTS rocket engine) and somehow it's still a half decade late and ~$20 billion over budget. It will cost over a billion per launch not including the development costs. With those it's more like $3 billion (The cost of 20-30 Falcon Heavies) per launch if we launch more than 10 of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules? It will cost over a billion per launch not including the development costs. With those it's more like $3 billion (The cost of 20-30 Falcon Heavies) per launch if we launch more than 10 of them. One big problem NASA has is that they have no urgency, even with China pushing ahead they should be the new Russian competition. Unfortunately, we live in a different era now, weaker minded Congress and NASA administrators begat weak programs. Many points of failure with too many unproductive mouths to feed. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:45:58 PM EDT
[#15]
Color me shocked.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I admit I don’t know much about the SLS project, other than the dumpster fire aspect. It's primary mission is the launch and delivery of precious monetary cargo into Alabama for Richard Shelby and his MIC corporate sponsors. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:48:17 PM EDT
[#17]
Thank God for SpaceX. Holy shit we're so fucked when political corruption, billions of dollars and space exploration are combined together.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With all the left over hardware, all they had to do was make sure they work together and not tear each other apart. That whole program is a train wreck. One big problem NASA has is that they have no urgency, even with China pushing ahead they should be the new Russian competition. Unfortunately, we live in a different era now, weaker minded Congress and NASA administrators begat weak programs. Many points of failure with too many unproductive mouths to feed. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:54:34 PM EDT
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Thank God for SpaceX. Holy shit we're so fucked when political corruption, billions of dollars and space exploration are combined together. Space-X's plan to have a number of Falcon-9s prepared for short-notice launches makes ULA very very worried that they will just not be considered for any time critical launches. Shit, ULA launched a month late from Vandenburg. They think that was just fine. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:58:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:59:24 PM EDT
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just fucking use SpaceX jesus christ this shit isn't rocket surgery |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:03:47 PM EDT
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually.
That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:04:48 PM EDT
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX has alot of killing to do to catch up with NASA. 
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:11:28 PM EDT
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. People die driving, flying, and boating. The only way to be sure people don't die in space is if we stop going. And if you think we shouldn't go to space because people might die, that is loser incel logic. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:11:45 PM EDT
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Couple small things:
Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. SpaceX is working a product called the BFR which might be able to meet that need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:13:08 PM EDT
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Couple small things: Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:14:34 PM EDT
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Couple small things: Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. As it turns out, kinda hard. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:15:04 PM EDT
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. But private industry does basically everything better than the government. Besides wasting money uselessly. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:15:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Yeah, I was in the edit mode.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:16:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX was never even all that interested in doing Falcon Heavy. Their original plan was to go from Falcon 9 to BFR and eventually phase out F9. Enough customers/potential customers asked for it that they said "fuck it, lets give it a shot, how hard can it be to strap 3 first stages together?" As it turns out, kinda hard. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:16:16 PM EDT
[#32]
I hear that Boeing has some excess capacity.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Couple small things: Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. SpaceX is working a product called the BFR which might be able to meet that need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. Falcon Heavy was delayed because they kept upping the specs and because the Falcon 9 had improved so much, it could cover most of the Falcon Heavy payloads itself. The design was a moving target till Falcon Nine hit it's final iteration. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX was never even all that interested in doing Falcon Heavy. Their original plan was to go from Falcon 9 to BFR and eventually phase out F9. Enough customers/potential customers asked for it that they said "fuck it, lets give it a shot, how hard can it be to strap 3 first stages together?" As it turns out, kinda hard. The current regular block 5 Falcon 9 is almost as powerful as the original Falcon Heavy design was. The first circa 2011 intended to be about Delta IVH size (~28 tonnes to LEO), now Falcon 9 can do 23 tonnes by itself now and Falcon Heavy's payload increased to 63 tonnes |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:21:26 PM EDT
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Elon Musk, the Huckster, doesn't have shit. His whole program is a sham bait to get government money to feed his failed organizations. all he lives off of are government handouts, like the 7500 he gets for each Teshamla sold.
We should be giving money to real god fairing American companies that aren't propped up by uncle sam, like Boeing, Lockmart, and BAE. Not Weed smoking, North Korea supprting fraudsters. Edit: to prove this, they are building a fake rocket out in the desert, called a Hopper, lol. This thing has dents and huge weld seems, and yet he thinks people can get into space like that? Go smoke some more devils lettuce. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:21:50 PM EDT
[#36]
Falcon 9's design evolution:
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we want to do anything other than dick around in space, people will eventually die. People die driving, flying, and boating. The only way to be sure people don't die in space is if we stop going. And if you think we shouldn't go to space because people might die, that is loser incel logic. So yeah, people are going to die in space but thousands of us are trying really hard not to let that happen. No loser incel here
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:26:30 PM EDT
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Needs canceled immediately and everyone on the project fired for gross negligence.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:27:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX has alot of killing to do to catch up with NASA. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:29:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA has launch something like 900 people into space. No one has yet to fly on a space x vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA has launch something like 900 people into space. No one has yet to fly on a space x vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:35:59 PM EDT
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Needs canceled immediately and everyone on the project fired for gross negligence. Agreed. Shitcan it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:37:11 PM EDT
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SLS, you mean? Agreed. Shitcan it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:37:35 PM EDT
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The only way for NASA to get a man or cargo to the ISS without flying on Russian engines is SpaceX. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: NASA has launch something like 900 people into space. No one has yet to fly on a space x vehicle. I was at KSC working on space shuttles that day. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:40:44 PM EDT
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Everything is risky. But private industry does basically everything better than the government. Besides wasting money uselessly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. But private industry does basically everything better than the government. Besides wasting money uselessly. During the NASP project the budget was split three ways, with the government office getting one third to administer the program. In the end the product was airline miles for lots of people jetting around the country to meetings. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:42:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Obama put the task of flying crew in his lap how many years ago? I was at KSC working on space shuttles that day. Much less money and time than Orion BTW. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NO SPACEX , They are frauds taking billions and Elon Mush is going to kill someone |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:44:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The government doesn't build anything. Knowing a little about one of the ULA partners, I know the main reasons and they cross every possible topic. During the NASP project the budget was split three ways, with the government office getting one third to administer the program. In the end the product was airline miles for lots of people jetting around the country to meetings. |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:52:44 PM EDT
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules? |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:53:26 PM EDT
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Space X will be on the moon before SLS has a test rocket.
The BFR is already going together, and I am not talking about the mock up/test rig in the desert. I expect people to die, thats the nature of it. |
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