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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:00:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show us where knives are protected in the bill of rights 
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:00:39 PM EDT
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Not sure but I think that the FFL does have the right to refuse to sell a firearm to anyone for any reason. Like if the BC takes 3 days, they have the right to proceed with the sale or can it.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:00:39 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:00:39 PM EDT
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If that is your focus. Stop meat gazing and reread the thread. Wanting to 'set up' a business for not selling ARs is very 'liberal' of y'all. A FFL needs not give a reason they don't want to sell someone a gun. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:01:52 PM EDT
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Guys, I hate to ruin the flight of fancy going on here, but young people are generally not protected by age-discrimination laws. You generally have to be over 40 and it applies primarily in the context of employment. Rental car companies have been discriminating against those under 25 for ages (pun intended).
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:03:11 PM EDT
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Guys, I hate to ruin the flight of fancy going on here, but young people are generally not protected by age-discrimination laws. You generally have to be over 40 and it applies primarily in the context of employment. Rental car companies have been discriminating against those under 25 for ages (pun intended). |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, its at the Supreme Court awaiting a decision. This decision, will heavily influence business rights. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:06:21 PM EDT
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First there is a question I need answered by lawyers here. If Dicks Sporting goods Denys a legal purchaser of a rifle for the sole reason that they are between 18-20 years old. Is that considered and actionable violation of civil rights. If it is, Call them on it. I cannot do it because I am over 21 by quite a bit. But you 18-20 year olds can do us a great service. Walk into dicks dressed nicely, with a hidden camera (im not talking about making a ruckus, you can buy REAL hidden cameras off of amazon for under 100 bucks) And ask to purchase a long gun. When they deny you on company policy, ask them why, let them get on record stating that it is solely because of your age. Then go from there. the object is to either get them to give you a background check (on video) and allow you to purchase the weapon or to violate your civil rights on camera (whether you do or do not purchase is not the issue. GETTING THEM TO FOLD or CALL is). It doesn't really matter the outcome as long as it is on camera. Either they violate their civil rights, or they fold and give you the option to purchase the gun. If they commit to refusing the purchase purchase based solely on you age. I bet NOLO or another one of our esteemed legal experts could make them shit their pants with a civil rights violation suit. They don't just attack in the courts they come at a situation from all sides. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:09:25 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:12:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:13:00 PM EDT
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:26:34 PM EDT
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I read the thread. Why do I give a fuck what Dicks sporting goods does? I don't trade with them anyhow. Wanting to 'set up' a business for not selling ARs is very 'liberal' of y'all. A FFL needs not give a reason they don't want to sell someone a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If that is your focus. Stop meat gazing and reread the thread. Wanting to 'set up' a business for not selling ARs is very 'liberal' of y'all. A FFL needs not give a reason they don't want to sell someone a gun. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:28:54 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:31:31 PM EDT
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Make them bake the cake.
The liberals force us to bend, now we need to bend them over. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:42:42 PM EDT
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Unless it's a wedding cake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. Refusing to sell based on age when legal is very likely a violation of civil rights laws. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 4:57:37 PM EDT
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This ain't no barkery, son. A FFL doesn't need to articulate a reason for not selling you a gun, it's federal law that he can refuse a sale for whatever reason he wants. I sure wouldn't give a reason. I'd just tell them, "Sorry, fresh out". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:02:31 PM EDT
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Still can't refuse a sale based on Constitutionally protected criteria, no matter what the ATF says. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:02:33 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:12:03 PM EDT
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You can't generally rent a car under 25. That is a policy not law.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:31:43 PM EDT
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You can't generally rent a car under 25. That is a policy not law. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:37:01 PM EDT
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I'm not good with most screen names. Are you the lawyer we see teamed up with NOLO often? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:37:28 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:45:33 PM EDT
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Age is a protected class. HR training FTMFW! |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:50:19 PM EDT
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Again... not a right... You don’t have a right to buy a gun from Dicks. Shall not be infringed by the powers that be, not Dick’s Sporting goods. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 5:52:11 PM EDT
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There in lay the question. A gun store does not have to say why. That does not preclude the existence of a reason for refusal of a sale being a civil rights violation. Gun stores are largely protected BECAUSE they don't have to disclose why they refused to sell. DICKS has been stupid enough to publicly and clearly state why. And that why is the express purpose of denying a civil right to anyone of the age of 18-20. Now that we KNOW the why, the question becomes, is the why, a violation of civil rights. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 6:06:22 PM EDT
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Private business, private property, vote with your wallet.
The shit some of y'all occupy time with. ARFCOM, home of countless threads about neighbor disputes and property rights, unless those rights are the right of a business to refuse service. We need 24 hour time outs for people who post "facts" without them actually being "facts" at all in these arguments. Claiming it's a "felony" for a MO FFL to refuse a sale..... just happened to fail to copy and paste the second portion of that "fact", that outlines a dealer and his agents are allowed to exercise their judgement and stop a sale. I'm no Google pro, but come on man, this took 4 minutes: MO Law I'd put up a PMAG for the first person who gets an ATF member to write down that I'm forced to complete a sale if the buyer passes NICS. Go ahead, I'll wait. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 7:07:18 PM EDT
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Seen any whites only businesses lately? 
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Posted: 2/28/2018 9:29:50 PM EDT
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Better add Walmart to your hit list.
Go big or go home right? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 9:33:06 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:09:50 PM EDT
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any lawyers here that can speak to the constitutionality of this sting?
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:12:34 PM EDT
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They can choose to sell to whom they want.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:14:27 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. Their store their rules. Which is hypocritical as fuck considering that they went full retard when someone said no to making a cake for gays. But in my perfect world a business can deny you their goods and services for any reason whatsoever. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:23:21 PM EDT
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There in lay the question. A gun store does not have to say why. That does not preclude the existence of a reason for refusal of a sale being a civil rights violation. Gun stores are largely protected BECAUSE they don't have to disclose why they refused to sell. DICKS has been stupid enough to publicly and clearly state why. And that why is the express purpose of denying a civil right to anyone of the age of 18-20. Now that we KNOW the why, the question becomes, is the why, a violation of civil rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:43:33 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:48:45 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:49:44 PM EDT
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Go to the front counter and tell them to page "Mike Hunt"
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:51:05 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 10:55:15 PM EDT
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They can choose to sell to whom they want. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:03:34 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:36:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that if we keep playing this high and mighty bullshit we will keep losing. The left has been very successful using tactics like this for 60 years. How much longer are we going to keep losing before we learn? Even if you find a friendly district, they aren't going to force gun dealers to sell guns. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:39:26 PM EDT
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We need a gay, black 20 year old with no criminal record as the plaintiff.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:40:36 PM EDT
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Lol The shit some of you get upset over |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:42:37 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:43:04 PM EDT
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So we should force all businesses to cater to anyone that comes in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:47:49 PM EDT
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in Missouri it is a felony for an FFL to refuse to sell a firearm to someone that is otherwise legal to purchase said firearm 571.014. Unlawful refusal to transfer by denying sale of a firearm to a nonlicensee, crime of — violation, penalty — inapplicability, when. — 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful refusal to transfer by denying sale of a firearm to a nonlicensee, who is otherwise not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state or federal law, solely on the basis that the nonlicensee purchased a firearm that was later the subject of a trace request by law enforcement. 2. Violation of subsection 1 of this section shall be a class A misdemeanor. 3. Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, no federal firearms dealer licensed under 18 U.S.C. Section 923 who engages in the sale of firearms within this state shall fail or refuse to complete the sale of a firearm to a customer in every case in which the sale is authorized by federal law. 4. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any individual federal firearms license holder, his agents, or employees to the extent they chose in their individual judgment to not complete the sale or transfer of a firearm for articulable reasons specific to that transaction, so long as those reasons are not based on the race, gender, religion, creed of the buyer. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:48:54 PM EDT
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I'm just going to go put a bunch of stuff in carts in Dick's, stand in line and then abandon my cart once they ring it all up, politely letting them know why as I leave. I figure I'll get away with it a few times at each of the locations in my area before I get banned from each location. If everyone did it we would truly hit them in the pocketbook, as they'd have to pay to restock that stuff.
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Posted: 3/1/2018 12:00:25 AM EDT
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. |
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Posted: 3/1/2018 12:00:52 AM EDT
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give it a year, we will see the going out of business sale soon  |
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Posted: 3/1/2018 12:45:48 AM EDT
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Has anyone mentioned cakes and bakers yet?
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Posted: 3/1/2018 12:52:27 AM EDT
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... only possible if they declare age as the discrimination. Otherwise, it's their store, their rules |
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