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Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:02:00 AM EST
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That thought crossed my mind but based on her self absorbed comments I'd guess she one of those who thinks sex is a means to an end not something she does because she enjoys it.
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What kind of wife and mother leaves her family for extended periods of time to play the hero role in Africa? Not saying it is right for her husband to seek the affection of nubile golddiggers half the age of his wife but in this case I can certainly understand the frustration that would lead to that.
Yeah but if he's not getting what he wants at home, the nubile gold diggers are likely a safe choice as they're less likely to go all fatal attraction on him.

We're only hearing one side of the story.  Most couples are willing to accept aging is not pretty, but her taking off and leaving him with the kids, doing the cooking when she doesn't have a job...those things point to the fact she's a bit on the selfish side and thinks he should love her because she's there and she doesn't have to contribute.

He obviously had some money so I'm guessing he didn't want to lose the kids...but who knows.
You know she was getting the bunker buster in Africa
That thought crossed my mind but based on her self absorbed comments I'd guess she one of those who thinks sex is a means to an end not something she does because she enjoys it.
? White Female Sex Tourists in Africa ? Black Men Africa Special
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:34:02 AM EST
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Generally speaking society values 20 YO women above 70 YO women. Are we going to dance around and pretend that their reproductive potential isn't a very large portion of that calculation?

A similar trend is evident in regards to men as well.  BUT men are reproductively viable well into the 50's and 60's with modern medicine etc. So it's a less hard wall than for many women.
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Is that the Second Wall or maybe the Third?
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 8:33:21 AM EST
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This was my experience with online dating.  As an official manlet, at 5'8", I lost count of how many times I was told I was too short to date, or "I'm only interested in guys 5'11" or taller".  The thing that kills me, is all the women who thought that was ok, but if a guy said he only dated skinny women, he was some kind of giant asshole who deserved to be drawn and quartered.
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 8:39:42 AM EST
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
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This was my experience with online dating.  As an official manlet, at 5'8", I lost count of how many times I was told I was too short to date, or "I'm only interested in guys 5'11" or taller".  The thing that kills me, is all the women who thought that was ok, but if a guy said he only dated skinny women, he was some kind of giant asshole who deserved to be drawn and quartered.
The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
It’s a crazy sad situation

Your online experience has happened to me a lot but in the real world, scores of times

It’s sad but you feel empowered knowing that she has to chase after you with a “ball and chain”
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 8:41:28 AM EST
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
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This was my experience with online dating.  As an official manlet, at 5'8", I lost count of how many times I was told I was too short to date, or "I'm only interested in guys 5'11" or taller".  The thing that kills me, is all the women who thought that was ok, but if a guy said he only dated skinny women, he was some kind of giant asshole who deserved to be drawn and quartered.
The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
Don't feel so bad dude.  10 ish years ago I was rejected by girls cause I didn't offer the exciting life they could get from other guys (I worked F/T, school F/T and didn't spend my money on stupid shit)

Now, granted... I went after the exciting girls (hindsight, bad move.. but they were hott )

And I am over 6'.

These same girls? 10 years later?  The excitement ran out, most are single mothers... and are very interested now.

No thanks.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 9:28:48 AM EST
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
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He's 5' 7".  I was in 2 inch heels.



I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 9:31:04 AM EST
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He's 5' 7".  I was in 2 inch heels.

https://i.imgur.com/zUKXJSX.jpg

I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
He's 5' 7".  I was in 2 inch heels.

https://i.imgur.com/zUKXJSX.jpg

I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
My experience is they won't, but they also won't be going for guys his height either.

/shrugs
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 9:37:15 AM EST
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I don't doubt he might have a more difficult time in the online dating arena where it's easy to disqualify someone based on any old arbitrary thing you can think of but he never had any trouble in real life.

They also tell me all the time that we should figure out a way to clone him.  If they put a, "But maybe a taller version" in there they know I'd laugh because the jokes don't bother us----they never have though.  Weird.  
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 9:47:38 AM EST
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My experience is they won't, but they also won't be going for guys his height either.

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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
He's 5' 7".  I was in 2 inch heels.

https://i.imgur.com/zUKXJSX.jpg

I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
My experience is they won't, but they also won't be going for guys his height either.

/shrugs
Yeah. I think the difference is openness. Guys will just say shallow things. Women may not, but they will still think them.

I've seen some pretty crass things in women's dating profiles, which I assume they are more comfortable with, since it's not public.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 11:25:23 AM EST
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
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That's funny and not at all surprising.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 11:33:30 AM EST
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That's funny and not at all surprising.
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
Sad also.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:35:29 PM EST
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That's funny and not at all surprising.
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
She will just have to do what all the other single moms do and go to the local Baptist Church, join the singles group, and wait for the preacher to pressure some poor beta sucker to "see her as Jesus sees her"...and "that baby needs a REAL MAN in his life"...and everyone will cheer for the poor beta sucker.  Later, everyone will stare at the ground and kick rocks when he finds out that Becky went back to the BBC or never actually left it in the first place...but now demands half his stuff and child support for whatever kids she managed to get pregnant with while they were "married".
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:39:09 PM EST
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She will just have to do what all the other single moms do and go to the local Baptist Church, join the singles group, and wait for the preacher to pressure some poor beta sucker to "see her as Jesus sees her"...and "that baby needs a REAL MAN in his life"...and everyone will cheer for the poor beta sucker.  Later, everyone will stare at the ground and kick rocks when he finds out that Becky went back to the BBC or never actually left it in the first place...but now demands half his stuff and child support for whatever kids she managed to get pregnant with while they were "married".
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Ouch.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:40:43 PM EST
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She will just have to do what all the other single moms do and go to the local Baptist Church, join the singles group, and wait for the preacher to pressure some poor beta sucker to "see her as Jesus sees her"...and "that baby needs a REAL MAN in his life"...and everyone will cheer for the poor beta sucker.  Later, everyone will stare at the ground and kick rocks when he finds out that Becky went back to the BBC or never actually left it in the first place...but now demands half his stuff and child support for whatever kids she managed to get pregnant with while they were "married".
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
She will just have to do what all the other single moms do and go to the local Baptist Church, join the singles group, and wait for the preacher to pressure some poor beta sucker to "see her as Jesus sees her"...and "that baby needs a REAL MAN in his life"...and everyone will cheer for the poor beta sucker.  Later, everyone will stare at the ground and kick rocks when he finds out that Becky went back to the BBC or never actually left it in the first place...but now demands half his stuff and child support for whatever kids she managed to get pregnant with while they were "married".
Holy crap.

Personal experience?
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Holy crap.

Personal experience?
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
She will just have to do what all the other single moms do and go to the local Baptist Church, join the singles group, and wait for the preacher to pressure some poor beta sucker to "see her as Jesus sees her"...and "that baby needs a REAL MAN in his life"...and everyone will cheer for the poor beta sucker.  Later, everyone will stare at the ground and kick rocks when he finds out that Becky went back to the BBC or never actually left it in the first place...but now demands half his stuff and child support for whatever kids she managed to get pregnant with while they were "married".
Holy crap.

Personal experience?
Personal experience at a lot of Baptist Churches full of reformed thots seeking their new life....but not so much new life that they have to let go of their old life on the weekends.

My dad taught me better than to every marry one, thankfully.

My dad was RP before RP was a thing.  He pulled no punches when it came to calling BS on that sort of emotional nonsense pretending to be biblical.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 7:56:19 PM EST
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Personal experience at a lot of Baptist Churches full of reformed thots seeking their new life....but not so much new life that they have to let go of their old life on the weekends.

My dad taught me better than to every marry one, thankfully.

My dad was RP before RP was a thing.  He pulled no punches when it came to calling BS on that sort of emotional nonsense pretending to be biblical.
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Personal experience at a lot of Baptist Churches full of reformed thots seeking their new life....but not so much new life that they have to let go of their old life on the weekends.

My dad taught me better than to every marry one, thankfully.

My dad was RP before RP was a thing.  He pulled no punches when it came to calling BS on that sort of emotional nonsense pretending to be biblical.
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
She will just have to do what all the other single moms do and go to the local Baptist Church, join the singles group, and wait for the preacher to pressure some poor beta sucker to "see her as Jesus sees her"...and "that baby needs a REAL MAN in his life"...and everyone will cheer for the poor beta sucker.  Later, everyone will stare at the ground and kick rocks when he finds out that Becky went back to the BBC or never actually left it in the first place...but now demands half his stuff and child support for whatever kids she managed to get pregnant with while they were "married".
Holy crap.

Personal experience?
Personal experience at a lot of Baptist Churches full of reformed thots seeking their new life....but not so much new life that they have to let go of their old life on the weekends.

My dad taught me better than to every marry one, thankfully.

My dad was RP before RP was a thing.  He pulled no punches when it came to calling BS on that sort of emotional nonsense pretending to be biblical.
Almost like they feel guitly but have to find a way to feel better about themselves.
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I don’t trust any of those religions

I remember a glory hole in the confession booth

“Oh, Father, do I have to blow St. Peter’s trumpet again???
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 11:34:04 PM EST
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Not sure which female member said it here, but men wished to feel respected and appreciated.
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I believe that both men and women need to feel appreciated.  The difference is in how it's manifested.

Men want to feel an element of respect in the way they're appreciated.  Women want to feel an element of desire and emotional support in the way they're appreciated.
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Women crave sex even more than men, it's just society's trying to make the double standard a single standard
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I'm not convinced of that.  Women suffer from HSDD at notably higher rates than men.

Not suggesting that a particular woman can't have a strong libido, but on average I'm not convinced that women have even close to the same sex drive as men have.
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I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.  

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
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I regularly see women indicate expectations regarding a man's height on a local dating app.  Not all of the women, but it isn't uncommon to see a profile that overtly does.

"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
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I regularly see women indicate expectations regarding a man's height on a local dating app.  Not all of the women, but it isn't uncommon to see a profile that overtly does.

"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
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I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
I regularly see women indicate expectations regarding a man's height on a local dating app.  Not all of the women, but it isn't uncommon to see a profile that overtly does.

"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
Wow.
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I'm not convinced of that.  Women suffer from HSDD at notably higher rates than men.

Not suggesting that a particular woman can't have a strong libido, but on average I'm not convinced that women have even close to the same sex drive as men have.
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Is it a lower sex drive, or is it a sex drive that is really only geared to desire the top 20% of men?  Aren't there a lot of stories out there about the frigid women who go years without sex, get divorced, and then act like they're 18 again?
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I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
I regularly see women indicate expectations regarding a man's height on a local dating app.  Not all of the women, but it isn't uncommon to see a profile that overtly does.

"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
Wow.
What I get from that is that in the end the short guy has a whole shitload of “fuck you money”
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Is it a lower sex drive, or is it a sex drive that is really only geared to desire the top 20% of men?  Aren't there a lot of stories out there about the frigid women who go years without sex, get divorced, and then act like they're 18 again?
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A valid question but I don't know the answer.

It raises other, ugly questions as well.  If a woman acts sexually aggressive with a top 20% man but not with her previous husband who may have been around the top 35% bracket, is it really a manifestation of sincere 'sexual desire' or is it merely a baited hook presented to catch an extraordinarily successful man?  How different is that than a particular man who only wants a woman because she's physically hot and so he pretends to care about her emotionally in order to get her pants off?
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For some, no doubt.

For many others, they seem to be afterthoughts if considered at all. Men who ignore blatantly obvious personality flaws, men who know nothing of their woman’s hobbies or interests, and of course study after study that show education/career accomplishments aren’t given positive weight in selection.

Anecdotal, but i’ve observed that often men differ very little in the way they seek out short term partners and long term partners. It seems more a case of they decide it’s time to settle down and do so with whoever they happen to be currently dating. And if they’ve always prioritized looks over everything else, they just keep on with that prioritization.
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The truth is somewhere in the middle.

If the man isn't feeling chemistry towards a woman, he's not very likely to develop a serious relationship with her.  Now, a wise man will want to find a woman who has good character, is responsible, is smart, talented, etc... but if he finds a woman with those traits and he doesn't feel physical chemistry towards her then the probability that he will seek a long term relationship with her is low.

In summary, chemistry matters a lot.  It isn't everything.  It isn't necessarily the most important trait over the long run, but it ranks pretty high as an essential thing for inspiring a man to commit to a long term relationship at all.

Yes, it is a priority.  That doesn't make it wrong.  Without it, exceedingly few men would commit to long term relationships.
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I guess this is the new incel thread now lol.
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A valid question but I don't know the answer.

It raises other, ugly questions as well.  If a woman acts sexually aggressive with a top 20% man but not with her previous husband who may have been around the top 35% bracket, is it really a manifestation of sincere 'sexual desire' or is it merely a baited hook presented to catch an extraordinarily successful man?  How different is that than a particular man who only wants a woman because she's physically hot and so he pretends to care about her emotionally in order to get her pants off?
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It's funny, traditional marriage was designed to weed out both sets of bad behavior.  We all have a disconnect between what our hind brains want, and what our rational, fore brains want.  That's why traditional marriage required a woman to submit to sex with her man, and similarly required men to avoid deflowering the "good girls" until marriage.  All sorts of unpleasant realities are appearing now that we have destroyed oppressive, patriarchical marriage.
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"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
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Ouch.
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What I get from that is that in the end the short guy has a whole shitload of “fuck you money”
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I don't know about dating *requirements* but I DO know that aside from good natured jokes from family and friends, it's other guys who seem to care about height the most and like to give *short* guys a hard time.  Hence the *king of manlets* and *may as well kill yourself* meme for 5' 7" and under.

I've never had a woman say anything negative to me about his height......but other men have.  
I regularly see women indicate expectations regarding a man's height on a local dating app.  Not all of the women, but it isn't uncommon to see a profile that overtly does.

"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
Wow.
What I get from that is that in the end the short guy has a whole shitload of “fuck you money”
But the chance of short guys making that much extra is....

Slim.

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"Ariely found that a 5'4" man would need to make $229,000 more than a 6' man to have equal appeal; a 5'6" man would need $183,000 more; a 5'10" man would need $32,000 more." Lori Gottlieb (2010). Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough.
Ouch.
Maybe women want taller men because they belive they'll make more money:

Business Insider

The Atlantic

If a woman only wants to date men 6' and over it's their choice but a guy shouldn't be ridiculed because he wants a woman with big breasts or to not outweigh him.

At 5'10 I'm average height but I bet women would be really pissed if I told them I only dated women with a really tight vagina, but hey they can even fix that now.

Tighter kitty arf thread
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Nope. its an evolutionary response. The cave girl brain associates height with security and safety for herself and her offspring. Even if she consciously doesn't want to have children.
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Maybe women want taller men because they belive they'll make more money:

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If a woman only wants to date men 6' and over it's their choice but a guy shouldn't be ridiculed because he wants a woman with big breasts or to not outweigh him.

At 5'10 I'm average height but I bet women would be really pissed if I told them I only dated women with a really tight vagina, but hey they can even fix that now.

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I was listening to a podcast where a man addressed something like this.  He interviewed women asking about whether they had height preferences for men that they'd consider dating.  Overwhelmingly the women expressed preference for taller men.  Then he asked them what their waist size was.  Of course the women became very indignant and accused him of being insensitive...until he responded that height is primarily determined by genes and is outside a person's control, while waist size is determined by lifestyle choices and is within a person's control.  He emphasized that their preference for height was far more shallow and insensitive than a man's preference for waist size.

All of the women acknowledged that they couldn't present a legitimate argument against his point.
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Nope. its an evolutionary response. The cave girl brain associates height with security and safety for herself and her offspring. Even if she consciously doesn't want to have children.
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Nope. its an evolutionary response. The cave girl brain associates height with security and safety for herself and her offspring. Even if she consciously doesn't want to have children.
Not so sure because cave girl brain would associate security with a 5'10 200lb guy with a lot of muscle vs the 6'1 165lb skinny guy.   But I've heard he's too bulky....WTF point being it's superficial requirement.  They're entitled to it but to Shane's point they don't like it when called out on it.
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Not so sure because cave girl brain would associate security with a 5'10 200lb guy with a lot of muscle vs the 6'1 165lb skinny guy.   But I've heard he's too bulky....WTF point being it's superficial requirement.  They're entitled to it but to Shane's point they don't like it when called out on it.
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Nope. its an evolutionary response. The cave girl brain associates height with security and safety for herself and her offspring. Even if she consciously doesn't want to have children.
Not so sure because cave girl brain would associate security with a 5'10 200lb guy with a lot of muscle vs the 6'1 165lb skinny guy.   But I've heard he's too bulky....WTF point being it's superficial requirement.  They're entitled to it but to Shane's point they don't like it when called out on it.
But mah list of standards.
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For some, no doubt.

For many others, they seem to be afterthoughts if considered at all. Men who ignore blatantly obvious personality flaws, men who know nothing of their woman’s hobbies or interests, and of course study after study that show education/career accomplishments aren’t given positive weight in selection.

Anecdotal, but i’ve observed that often men differ very little in the way they seek out short term partners and long term partners. It seems more a case of they decide it’s time to settle down and do so with whoever they happen to be currently dating. And if they’ve always prioritized looks over everything else, they just keep on with that prioritization.
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Many don't care much (if at all) about education, hobbies, interests, even personality traits, and will give women a pass if they're pretty.
Clarification: For who we want to raise kids with, everything matters, but sometimes the idea of getting laid changes what we prioritize in the very short term.

When I was single and nailing chics, looks were paramount, then body, then a tight snatch, then discretion.

I doubt that has changed for the young men of today.
For some, no doubt.

For many others, they seem to be afterthoughts if considered at all. Men who ignore blatantly obvious personality flaws, men who know nothing of their woman’s hobbies or interests, and of course study after study that show education/career accomplishments aren’t given positive weight in selection.

Anecdotal, but i’ve observed that often men differ very little in the way they seek out short term partners and long term partners. It seems more a case of they decide it’s time to settle down and do so with whoever they happen to be currently dating. And if they’ve always prioritized looks over everything else, they just keep on with that prioritization.
It's probably because our sex impulses are pretty much the same our entire lives. There is a reason for this.

But, anecdotally, a large selection of female posters here get all in an uproar when you start talking biology.

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A valid question but I don't know the answer.

It raises other, ugly questions as well.  If a woman acts sexually aggressive with a top 20% man but not with her previous husband who may have been around the top 35% bracket, is it really a manifestation of sincere 'sexual desire' or is it merely a baited hook presented to catch an extraordinarily successful man?  How different is that than a particular man who only wants a woman because she's physically hot and so he pretends to care about her emotionally in order to get her pants off?
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Is it a lower sex drive, or is it a sex drive that is really only geared to desire the top 20% of men?  Aren't there a lot of stories out there about the frigid women who go years without sex, get divorced, and then act like they're 18 again?
A valid question but I don't know the answer.

It raises other, ugly questions as well.  If a woman acts sexually aggressive with a top 20% man but not with her previous husband who may have been around the top 35% bracket, is it really a manifestation of sincere 'sexual desire' or is it merely a baited hook presented to catch an extraordinarily successful man?  How different is that than a particular man who only wants a woman because she's physically hot and so he pretends to care about her emotionally in order to get her pants off?
There is no 35% bracket. You're either the top 20% or the 80% below average. It's not about reality it's about perception, and they get to decide as the keepers of reproduction, not us.
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
Sad also.
Op is absolutely right.
A lot of girls put a height requirement on their profiles.
I'm 5'7", and newly divorced.
Meeting someone in person has never been a problem, as I feel I can hold a conversation and I'm not heinous.
Online, it's a different story.
To test this, I contacted girls I felt I could be compatible with, with my true height.
Very few responses.
Then another profile, similar pics, but on a different site, but said I was 6'.
The responses poured in. Some were the same girls.
I never contacted any of them, as it would be obvious I'm short, and a lair.
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Cave girl is not that rational. First she would have to understand, and admit to herself, why tall even triggers vagina-tingles. Even if she understood, can she really change what flips her switch? Thats like a guy deciding not to be attracted to youth, tits and a nice ass (signs of fertility). A guy doesn't say "I don't want kids" and then suddenly he is no longer attracted to fertility signals.
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I was listening to a podcast where a man addressed something like this.  He interviewed women asking about whether they had height preferences for men that they'd consider dating.  Overwhelmingly the women expressed preference for taller men.  Then he asked them what their waist size was.  Of course the women became very indignant and accused him of being insensitive...until he responded that height is primarily determined by genes and is outside a person's control, while waist size is determined by lifestyle choices and is within a person's control.  He emphasized that their preference for height was far more shallow and insensitive than a man's preference for waist size.

All of the women acknowledged that they couldn't present a legitimate argument against his point.
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of course not. But the vagina wants what the vagina wants.
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Op is absolutely right.
A lot of girls put a height requirement on their profiles.
I'm 5'7", and newly divorced.
Meeting someone in person has never been a problem, as I feel I can hold a conversation and I'm not heinous.
Online, it's a different story.
To test this, I contacted girls I felt I could be compatible with, with my true height.
Very few responses.
Then another profile, similar pics, but on a different site, but said I was 6'.
The responses poured in. Some were the same girls.
I never contacted any of them, as it would be obvious I'm short, and a lair.
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The woman can control her weight but the man has no control over his height. I was on a "Christian" dating site back before I was red-pilled and got constant rejections because I am only 5'7". "Must be taller than I am in heels". I'm sure that must be in the Bible somewhere as often as it was repeated on that site. One got back to me 2 yrs. later with a try hard friendly message. I checked out her updated profile and it no longer had a height requirement, her status was single mother, and her pictures now included her with a mixed race baby. NOW I was good enough. FML.
That's funny and not at all surprising.
Sad also.
Op is absolutely right.
A lot of girls put a height requirement on their profiles.
I'm 5'7", and newly divorced.
Meeting someone in person has never been a problem, as I feel I can hold a conversation and I'm not heinous.
Online, it's a different story.
To test this, I contacted girls I felt I could be compatible with, with my true height.
Very few responses.
Then another profile, similar pics, but on a different site, but said I was 6'.
The responses poured in. Some were the same girls.
I never contacted any of them, as it would be obvious I'm short, and a lair.
I was referring to the change of heart with being a single mom and now wanting to date those they would have never given any time too.

I have never had the height problem.
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Op is absolutely right.
A lot of girls put a height requirement on their profiles.
I'm 5'7", and newly divorced.
Meeting someone in person has never been a problem, as I feel I can hold a conversation and I'm not heinous.
Online, it's a different story.
To test this, I contacted girls I felt I could be compatible with, with my true height.
Very few responses.
Then another profile, similar pics, but on a different site, but said I was 6'.
The responses poured in. Some were the same girls.
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I've said he before than it you are over 6 feet tall then your entire Bio should be something to the effect of; "I'm 6-2"

No well thought out heartfelt about me paragraph will be as effective as that simple statement of height.
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I've said he before than it you are over 6 feet tall then your entire Bio should be something to the effect of; "I'm 6-2"

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Ding ding ding!

I'm 6'2" and my height was in the first line of my 4 line class clown bio.

Too easy.
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I've said he before than it you are over 6 feet tall then your entire Bio should be something to the effect of; "I'm 6-2"

No well thought out heartfelt about me paragraph will be as effective as that simple statement of height.
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Op is absolutely right.
A lot of girls put a height requirement on their profiles.
I'm 5'7", and newly divorced.
Meeting someone in person has never been a problem, as I feel I can hold a conversation and I'm not heinous.
Online, it's a different story.
To test this, I contacted girls I felt I could be compatible with, with my true height.
Very few responses.
Then another profile, similar pics, but on a different site, but said I was 6'.
The responses poured in. Some were the same girls.
I've said he before than it you are over 6 feet tall then your entire Bio should be something to the effect of; "I'm 6-2"

No well thought out heartfelt about me paragraph will be as effective as that simple statement of height.
Do chicks even read bios anymore?
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Ding ding ding!

I'm 6'2" and my height was in the first line of my 4 line class clown bio.

Too easy.
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I've said he before than it you are over 6 feet tall then your entire Bio should be something to the effect of; "I'm 6-2"

No well thought out heartfelt about me paragraph will be as effective as that simple statement of height.
Ding ding ding!

I'm 6'2" and my height was in the first line of my 4 line class clown bio.

Too easy.
I hate you guys.
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Not really. They can choose to be polite and positive, but their personality is pretty much fixed. Many of my dates were one-and-done because the woman was an introvert. Doesn't make her a bad person, just not for me. I'm an introvert (not shy by any stretch, but an introvert nonetheless), so I'm not attracted to other introverts. That part of a personality can't change.
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Is it a lower sex drive, or is it a sex drive that is really only geared to desire the top 20% of men?  Aren't there a lot of stories out there about the frigid women who go years without sex, get divorced, and then act like they're 18 again?
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I'm not convinced of that.  Women suffer from HSDD at notably higher rates than men.

Not suggesting that a particular woman can't have a strong libido, but on average I'm not convinced that women have even close to the same sex drive as men have.
Is it a lower sex drive, or is it a sex drive that is really only geared to desire the top 20% of men?  Aren't there a lot of stories out there about the frigid women who go years without sex, get divorced, and then act like they're 18 again?
The think to remember-

It's not that she doesn't want to have sex.  She just doesn't want to have sex with you.
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if they are brief and very clever. Or if they are a brief statement of value like "I'm 6-2."

or even better, clever and demonstrating value "Im 6 foot 8 inches, two separate measurements"
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6'5" but it hasn't helped me much in life.
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Op is absolutely right.
A lot of girls put a height requirement on their profiles.
I'm 5'7", and newly divorced.
Meeting someone in person has never been a problem, as I feel I can hold a conversation and I'm not heinous.
Online, it's a different story.
To test this, I contacted girls I felt I could be compatible with, with my true height.
Very few responses.
Then another profile, similar pics, but on a different site, but said I was 6'.
The responses poured in. Some were the same girls.
I've said he before than it you are over 6 feet tall then your entire Bio should be something to the effect of; "I'm 6-2"

No well thought out heartfelt about me paragraph will be as effective as that simple statement of height.
Do chicks even read bios anymore?
I don't think so. My bio read: Hey kid! I'm a computer. Stop all the downloading. Help computer. That's all, nothing else.
I put my height at 10' 11. (I'm 6'2) I had over 100 matches in 2 weeks.
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