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Posted: 4/20/2018 1:41:03 PM EST

I heard some SEAL who I guess shot Bin Laden claim on Adam Carrolla he never fired his carbine on auto in a fight. He also was for banning bump stocks but kind of defended AR15s saying they aren't military weapons

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:42:27 PM EST

[#1]

I doubt most use full-auto except for very specific applications.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:42:39 PM EST

[#2]

I never used 3 round burst in Iraq.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:44:20 PM EST

[#3]

Unless you are unassing an area, it really isn't used.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:44:26 PM EST

[#4]

Parody/joke thread? I'm in I guess.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:45:46 PM EST

[#5]

Maybe::
a) they don't/can't carry enough ammo to warrant full auto
b) they have enough training to hit what they aim at
c) full auto draws in local constabulary forces, whereas single shot does not

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:46:17 PM EST

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Did you ever fire rapidly in semi at a single target?

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:46:51 PM EST

[#7]

Only during mag dumps on the range

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:47:32 PM EST

[#8]

I practice full semi automatic dryfire in my living room. Shrugs.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:49:16 PM EST

[#9]

The documentary 'Commando' (1985) proves they do

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:50:19 PM EST

[#10]

I don’t know about commandos, or even ‘serious trigger pullers’. But personally I don’t know that I ever even flipped my selector past semi in the Army, now that I think about it.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:51:08 PM EST

[#11]

My son tells me he never uses it.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:51:19 PM EST

[#12]

Only in Breakout-from-encirclement drills.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:53:16 PM EST

[#13]

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The documentary 'Commando' (1985) proves they do

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Also exposed how most gunshops have the secret room full of LAW’s, grenades, and other Awesome shit.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:54:20 PM EST

[#14]

Is there actually a Rank, MOS or title of "Commando" in the US military??? Or is it more of just a nick name for bad asses, Operators or some shit???

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:56:10 PM EST

[#15]

I think OP is trying to bring back the word "Commandos" to describe special ops type people.

So then people can say "Commando as fuck"

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:56:47 PM EST

[#16]

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Also exposed how most gunshops have the secret room full of LAW’s, grenades, and other Awesome shit.

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The documentary 'Commando' (1985) proves they do

Also exposed how most gunshops have the secret room full of LAW’s, grenades, and other Awesome shit.

Must have only been Tier 1 one or 2, clearly not an ultra-elite-Commando

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:59:17 PM EST

[#17]

in my 4 years in the Army i never (outside of burning through ammo at the end of a range session) put my selector all the way back.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:59:18 PM EST

[#18]

Full auto works well if you get caught in an ambush.

Posted: 4/20/2018 1:59:59 PM EST

[#19]

I use full auto

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:02:20 PM EST

[#20]

I hurt someone’s feelings once

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:04:10 PM EST

[#21]

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Yes

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:04:15 PM EST

[#22]

I'm commando right now, but that word, how I use it, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:04:58 PM EST

[#23]

From what I've heard, it's only really used when breaking contact. Couple dudes start dumping mags to keep heads down while everyone else skoots.

I think that lead to the M4 getting a shitty reputation. It wasn't built for dumping 10 mags through them in desperation.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:05:09 PM EST

[#24]

Disclaimer I'm a Sailor so I have no idea of the realities of actual ops.

It would seem to me that full auto would not really have a big role in some operations.
It would mean having to carry more ammo, instead of other necessary gear.

I would think training in shot placement would be more effective in the long run.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:07:00 PM EST

[#25]

My dad always said “full auto equals empty ammo”

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:07:05 PM EST

[#26]

Maybe if they have an endless supply of ammo on hand. We tried three round burst at the range and you can't hit shit. Saw a video of a dude wasting 800 rounds on a SAW shooting at a mountain and then

ask the other dude for more ammo. What kind of ass whoopin do you give those guys.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:07:40 PM EST

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I'm commando right now, but that word, how I use it, I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Don't forget baby powder

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:08:23 PM EST

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From what I've heard, it's only really used when breaking contact. Couple dudes start dumping mags to keep heads down while everyone else skoots.

I think that lead to the M4 getting a shitty reputation. It wasn't built for dumping 10 mags through them in desperation.

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That's what led to the RO921HB used in the M4A1.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:08:55 PM EST

[#29]

I've always thought full auto would be useful in urban combat/room clearing type situations. They are putting 2-4 rounds into every target anyway do why not do it faster mechanically?

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:09:40 PM EST

[#30]

Full auto is pretty much limited to suppressive fire applications.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:10:50 PM EST

[#31]

From the only SEAL I've ever talked to, he said the only time they used it (aside from LMG's) was if stuff got bad in a hurry and they had to dump a lot of rounds in a few seconds into a room to back themselves out as quickly as possible.

ETA: This was with a 416. For an MP7, he said they hardly do anything but burst 3-7 rounds at a time, typically at someone's face in the dark.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:10:59 PM EST

[#32]

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I think OP is trying to bring back the word "Commandos" to describe special ops type people.

So then people can say "Commando as fuck"

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I like it. #commandoasfuck

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:11:00 PM EST

[#33]

I feel like I would only fire a MP5 on auto given the choice

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:12:52 PM EST

[#34]

If you expend all of you ammo, the guy next to you will give you some of his/hers.

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HRC is not my president

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:13:36 PM EST

[#35]

I’m not military.

My impression is that FA is useful in some contexts, but that the fights that we’ve been engaged in recently are mostly at longer ranges. If I were clearing a house in a city somewhere, I’d want a subgun. If my adversaries were likely wearing armor, I’d want a FA carbine. Otherwise... I’d want accurate semi-auto fire, preferrably from outside the effective range of the enemy.

If I were fighting across open terrain or from a fortified position and needed suppressive fire, that’s what the real machineguns are for.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:13:45 PM EST

[#36]

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I think OP is trying to bring back the word "Commandos" to describe special ops type people.

So then people can say "Commando as fuck"

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I'm going commando as fuck right now.

Edit: ....and as usual...fucking beat.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:14:32 PM EST

[#37]

Only gun we fire on FA is the M240B (and other heavy weapons). Semi > FA and burst 99.9% of the time.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:14:39 PM EST

[#38]

The couple guys I know are very well trained. Well enough to know when to use FA or not, but semi auto is the go to option. FA in a carbine or rifle is intended for very specific cases, doesnt replace accurate shooting so you can see why it wouldnt be used often.
My FMK3 manual came with some very wierd info such as how to destroy the to prevent it from falli g in enemy hands and when to use FA. It said it was intended for vehicles or hallways packed with people.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:16:07 PM EST

[#39]

I'm just a pogue, but I think I read something about using it when you breach a trench or something.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:16:16 PM EST

[#40]

240B and 249, Yes

My M4? Never

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:16:51 PM EST

[#41]

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Full auto is pretty much limited to suppressive fire applications.

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The Marines found it useful for engaging bad guys running, they hit the bad guy more often.

But, they had issues manipulating the selector 180 degrees quickly.

They came to Bill Geissele and his solution was a spring loaded selector with a short throw.

You can think of it as a spring loaded selector with a quarter throw. When you depress it, the rifle transitions from semi to full auto and when you let up, it transitions back to semi auto fire. It’s kind of like hitting the nitrous button on a hot rod.

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Link

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:17:19 PM EST

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I'm going commando as fuck right now.

Edit: ....and as usual...fucking beat.

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You must be chaffing your nuts right now.

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:20:28 PM EST

[#43]

I had the same question while watching the rescue/extract scene from "Act of Valor".

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:26:34 PM EST

[#44]

Used the MP-5N in the MEU-SOC role. The Navy trigger group has safe, semi, and auto. We always ran auto but practiced (until perfect) a 2 round press.

So, the answer is yes and no.

8654

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:28:00 PM EST

[#45]

ITT

"I was never in the military nor have I ever witnessed or been in a firefight, but I only use full auto to break contact or when room clearing."

Posted: 4/20/2018 2:29:57 PM EST

[#46]

Turns out that outside of very limited circumstances, having full auto capability on a magazine fed rifle/carbine isn't a huge tactical advantage. Having figured that out, the powers that be have also figured out that having said select fire capability while limiting civilians to semi auto only really doesn't give them a huge advantage over said civilians in the area of individual small arms. Can't have that. Ban semi autos or at least limit them to 10 rounds to put the advantage back on the governments side.