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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:44:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So according to you there are no convictions for murder or stealing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: who do you see being convicted of those things? So according to you there are no convictions for murder or stealing? not what I said, I said WHO is being convicted of those things. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:45:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. LOL |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:45:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:50:42 AM EDT
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Sovereign Citizens are a pestilence. Scam artists, crooks, cons, and scum. They claim to hate everything that is the government but they sure as fuck love that government welfare benefits money.
Robert LaVoy Finicum was a prime example. Took part in the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Spouted Sovereign Citizen bullshit and claimed he was a rancher. Turns out, he ran a hobby-farm that was a money pit and his main source of income was from the State of Arizona's foster care system. Arizona stated that the funds they provide to foster families aren't intended to be the sole source of income for those who foster. Doing so is a violation of the system and breeds corruption. The money provided is to benefit the children, not their caretakers. Finicum stated during the occupation, that the State of Arizona bankrupted him when they took the kids away from him because his ranch was a hobby-farm that produced no income. He proudly stated that his sole source of income was the $100k that he got yearly from the State of Arizona for fostering kids. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:52:55 AM EDT
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I believe Joe.
Believing you are a sovereign citizen (or even a citizen) in light of recent history is absolutely crazy. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:59:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:01:04 AM EDT
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We’ve got flat earthers on these boards so I’m willing to bet the odds we have several sovereign citizens on here are pretty high as well.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:01:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sovereign Citizens are a pestilence. Scam artists, crooks, cons, and scum. They claim to hate everything that is the government but they sure as fuck love that government welfare benefits money. Robert LaVoy Finicum was a prime example. Took part in the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Spouted Sovereign Citizen bullshit and claimed he was a rancher. Turns out, he ran a hobby-farm that was a money pit and his main source of income was from the State of Arizona's foster care system. Arizona stated that the funds they provide to foster families aren't intended to be the sole source of income for those who foster. Doing so is a violation of the system and breeds corruption. The money provided is to benefit the children, not their caretakers. Finicum stated during the occupation, that the State of Arizona bankrupted him when they took the kids away from him because his ranch was a hobby-farm that produced no income. He proudly stated that his sole source of income was the $100k that he got yearly from the State of Arizona for fostering kids. But should the federal government killed him and tried to cover up the evidence? Ya dude was wrongfully gaming the system, but he was killed by federal agents in a car full of kids. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:07:28 AM EDT
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The weapon of choice for sovereign citizens is paper. A simple traffic violation or pet-licensing case can end up provoking dozens of court filings containing hundreds of pages of pseudo-legal nonsense. For example, Donna Lee Wray the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, who was half of the team that killed the two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas, in 2010 was involved in a protracted legal battle in 2010 over having to pay a dog-licensing fee. She filed 10 sovereign documents in court over a two-month period and then declared victory when the harried prosecutor decided to drop the case. The battle was fought over a three-year dog license that costs just $20 in Pinellas County, Florida, where the sovereign lives. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What gets me is the, "Free to travel," thing. Sure, you are free to travel, but not on someone else's land! Don't own the road, then not free to travel. Or the "I'm not driving, I'm traveling" No retard, you're doing both. You are free to travel, but you still need to be a licensed driver to drive your vehicle on a public road. Catch a bus if you want to travel without having to adhere to any guidelines. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. He's gonna have a great time when it comes to getting an actual job. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:09:28 AM EDT
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I love videos of drivers holding their ground on 4th amendment rights when pulled over by the cops. That I fully support. I also love videos of Sovereign Citizens who clearly were driving without a license or registration getting yanked out of their cars when the cops patience runs out after listening to their legal bullshit arguments.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:10:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because some nuts babble something doesn't make them in some elaborate movement. Who has met someone who has actually said they are sovereign citizen not just someone nutty? Here. What would you like to know? How about the one that took his own daughter hostage when he was approached about shoplifting lunch meat?  The idiots are kind of fading, there used to be a whole batch of them down around Houston. One filed a lien on Dell computers (The entire company) because his laptop broke. Travelling around the state giving classes on how to file fraudulent liens on everyone from judges to dentists, you had to pay for your class with "Coin of the Realm". No checks or credit cards.  These idiots threw so much paper around the Texas AG had to form a special division just to handle it all, arresting the whole pack while they were giving a class in some motel meeting room. There there was this loon. Link |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:10:36 AM EDT
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Depending on the solution I am a Soluble citizen
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:13:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:15:01 AM EDT
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My boss thinks I am a sovereign citizen because I believe our government is too big and is largely run by people that don't give a fuck about the regular citizen or their rights.
But, I don't think I could possibly be a sovereign. I am a proud American and am bound by its laws. Though I also believe we have a duty to defy unjust laws passed by those in power who don't care. Though that defiance often involves penalties, such as being thrown into our legal system that hilariously claims to be impartial. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:15:36 AM EDT
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I kind of feel like OP is trying to detain me.
Standby, placing mechanics lean on his arfcom account. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:16:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's gonna have a great time when it comes to getting an actual job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. He's gonna have a great time when it comes to getting an actual job. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:17:28 AM EDT
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Ive been dealing with Moors for my entire police career. In fact, they are the primary sovereign citizen group we deal with in the area and are pretty predictable in what they do. At one point they did get so tired of being arrested for not having driver's license that they all kissed the pinky ring of the man and got licenses.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:19:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: As title says, any members here openly advise they are Sovereign Citizens? edit: reason why I ask is due to the video I watched that i posted just down the page a few posts. The guy who is in small claims court is arguing that anyone who has a birth certificate and a social security number has a Billion dollar line of credit with the federal reserve.. Quite strange seeing folks who whole hardheartedly believe some of this stuff, so I was curious if anyone here can enlighten me on how they came to believe that way. Honestly curious. I hope nobody here is insane enough to believe that shit. However, we do have people who believe there were 80 million fake votes, so it’s possible. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:20:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At that point if he thinks the right path is to get one, he's totally free to do that. Ultimately, its his choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. He's gonna have a great time when it comes to getting an actual job. Why make more work for him later? He's going to need one to take out a loan, or get a job, or even start a business. It's not like it's an avoidable thing for 99% of the population. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:20:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. LOL I assume you have children. I also assume you signed them up for life to a federal government program that takes a significant portion of their income without them having a decision in the matter. What was your justification besides the sweet tax exemption that YOU get to enjoy at their expense? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:23:12 AM EDT
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The opposite ends of the spectrum are "Sovereign Citizens" and "Statist Authoritarians"
ARFCOM has way more of one than the other, and is worse for it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:23:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why make more work for him later? He's going to need one to take out a loan, or get a job, or even start a business. It's not like it's an avoidable thing for 99% of the population. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. He's gonna have a great time when it comes to getting an actual job. Why make more work for him later? He's going to need one to take out a loan, or get a job, or even start a business. It's not like it's an avoidable thing for 99% of the population. Most of that isn't true. You don't need a SS number to start a business or take out a loan. Get a job, sure but what if he starts a company right out of high school? You literally don't have to have one but everybody thinks you do. If you work for the railroad, you don't have to have one. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:25:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of that isn't true. You don't need a SS number to start a business or take out a loan. Get a job, sure but what if he starts a company right out of high school? You literally don't have to have one but everybody thinks you do. If you work for the railroad, you don't have to have one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. He's gonna have a great time when it comes to getting an actual job. Why make more work for him later? He's going to need one to take out a loan, or get a job, or even start a business. It's not like it's an avoidable thing for 99% of the population. Most of that isn't true. You don't need a SS number to start a business or take out a loan. Get a job, sure but what if he starts a company right out of high school? You literally don't have to have one but everybody thinks you do. If you work for the railroad, you don't have to have one. Walk into pretty much any employer or any bank and ask for a job or a loan without an SS number and see how far you get. For one, how would I even withhold taxes for an employee without an SS? The payroll company would laugh at me. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:32:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walk into pretty much any employer or any bank and ask for a job or a loan without an SS number and see how far you get. For one, how would I even withhold taxes for an employee without an SS? The payroll company would laugh at me. You are wasting your time.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:36:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are wasting your time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Walk into pretty much any employer or any bank and ask for a job or a loan without an SS number and see how far you get. For one, how would I even withhold taxes for an employee without an SS? The payroll company would laugh at me. You are wasting your time. I know. I actually know a person that's similar. He homeschooled his kids, and then put them to work at his business. That isn't really bad on it's own, but the guy is a nutcase and it's his way of keeping them in his bubble....as expected they are all really weird now. For their own sake...kick your kids out of the damn house and make them go get a job somewhere. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:43:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But should the federal government killed him and tried to cover up the evidence? Ya dude was wrongfully gaming the system, but he was killed by federal agents in a car full of kids. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:46:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We’ve got flat earthers on these boards so I’m willing to bet the odds we have several sovereign citizens on here are pretty high as well. Don't forget the lizard people. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:47:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walk into pretty much any employer or any bank and ask for a job or a loan without an SS number and see how far you get. For one, how would I even withhold taxes for an employee without an SS? The payroll company would laugh at me. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:48:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The opposite ends of the spectrum are "Sovereign Citizens" and "Statist Authoritarians" ARFCOM has way more of one than the other, and is worse for it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:50:22 AM EDT
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I used to see them come thru the BP checkpoints in Yuma. They were travelers or some such phooey. Whatever. They were not worth the hassle. Move along please…if you block primary you are impeding the flow of traffic and I will 100% arrest you and I will do it quickly and succinctly. Have a marvelous day.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:50:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you'd get an individual Tax ID number from the IRS by filling out a W-7 form. There is a mechanism to address this exact situation. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:53:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a different bag of worms. The later doesn't justify the former. Finicum was still a shitbag before he decided to go to Oregon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But should the federal government killed him and tried to cover up the evidence? Ya dude was wrongfully gaming the system, but he was killed by federal agents in a car full of kids. Agreed, and don’t get me wrong he should have been held accountable for milking the system. We need to end welfare in this country. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct on that. The IRS does issue Tax ID numbers for the purposes of folks that don't have or qualify for a Social Security number. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually, you'd get an individual Tax ID number from the IRS by filling out a W-7 form. There is a mechanism to address this exact situation. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? Go look it up for yourself... you actually don't have to have one. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The funny part is everyone in this thread has been told all their lives they have to have one. I know, trust me. I deal with this all the time. I was told my son needed one to get a passport, enroll in school and everything else you can imagine. It's simply not true and folks will fight you to the death based on heresay. Go look it up for yourself... you actually don't have to have one. The IRS Tax ID number is mostly used by migrant laborers and most banks don't use it for loan purposes. Since it is commonly forged and hard to verify. Unlike forged SS numbers, those are easy to verify. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:59:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no doubt there’s more than a few. This But doubt many if any actually speak up. The will not create joinder and the come and make me tards are probably on the scale |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:00:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to see the come thru the BP checkpoints in Yuma. They were travelers or some such phooey. Whatever. They were not worth the hassle. Move along please…if you block primary you are impeding the flow of traffic and I will 100% arrest you and I will do it quickly and succinctly. Have a marvelous day. I've rarely had to say a word going through the NM or TX checkpoints. If I got the where are you going, I always just pointed to the windshield with a that way without being a dick. Of course I was pretty obviously military with my out of state plates and appearance. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:15:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you'd get an individual Tax ID number from the IRS by filling out a W-7 form. There is a mechanism to address this exact situation. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Walk into pretty much any employer or any bank and ask for a job or a loan without an SS number and see how far you get. For one, how would I even withhold taxes for an employee without an SS? The payroll company would laugh at me. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? No, you wouldn’t. You don’t qualify for an ITIN by virtue of not wanting an SSN, and the IRS will not issue one to you. It’s hard enough to get one if you do qualify. You’re literally making shit up that you don’t even begin to understand. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:17:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct on that. The IRS does issue Tax ID numbers for the purposes of folks that don't have or qualify for a Social Security number. It is mostly used by migrant laborers and most banks don't use it for loan purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually, you'd get an individual Tax ID number from the IRS by filling out a W-7 form. There is a mechanism to address this exact situation. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? He’s not. ITINs are for people that do not qualify for an SSN, not for people who don’t want one. If you’re not in one of the very small categories that meet that criteria, the IRS won’t give you one. Even if you are the IRS often won’t give you one, I’ve been through this with an immigrant spouse. 
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:19:40 AM EDT
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Am I being detained?
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:19:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The funny part is everyone in this thread has been told all their lives they have to have one. I know, trust me. I deal with this all the time. I was told my son needed one to get a passport, enroll in school and everything else you can imagine. It's simply not true and folks will fight you to the death based on heresay. Go look it up for yourself... you actually don't have to have one. Quote HistoryQuoted: The funny part is everyone in this thread has been told all their lives they have to have one. I know, trust me. I deal with this all the time. I was told my son needed one to get a passport, enroll in school and everything else you can imagine. It's simply not true and folks will fight you to the death based on heresay. Go look it up for yourself... you actually don't have to have one. I have to say I've never heard of this strategy before, but some quick searching seems to contradict what you are saying. The IRS only issues ITINs to someone not eligible for an SSN.  Attached FileFurthermore, the IRS says an ITIN cannot be used for employment eligibility. Several sites mentioned employers being fined for hiring employees with only an ITIN. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number An ITIN does not: Authorize work in the U.S. Provide eligibility for Social Security benefits Qualify a dependent for Earned Income Tax Credit Purposes I would be interested to see how a US citizen could legally avoid the social security program and still be employed. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:20:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI was going to post the Dale meme, but your subtlety is better. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to say I've never heard of this strategy before, but some quick searching seems to contradict what you are saying. The IRS only issues ITINs to someone not eligible for an SSN. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78606/Screenshot_20230222_081203_Samsung_Notes-2720472.JPG Furthermore, the IRS says an ITIN cannot be used for employment eligibility. Several sites mentioned employers being fined for hiring employees with only so ITIN. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number I would be interested to see how a US citizen could legally avoid the social security program and still be employed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The funny part is everyone in this thread has been told all their lives they have to have one. I know, trust me. I deal with this all the time. I was told my son needed one to get a passport, enroll in school and everything else you can imagine. It's simply not true and folks will fight you to the death based on heresay. Go look it up for yourself... you actually don't have to have one. I have to say I've never heard of this strategy before, but some quick searching seems to contradict what you are saying. The IRS only issues ITINs to someone not eligible for an SSN. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78606/Screenshot_20230222_081203_Samsung_Notes-2720472.JPG Furthermore, the IRS says an ITIN cannot be used for employment eligibility. Several sites mentioned employers being fined for hiring employees with only so ITIN. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number An ITIN does not: Authorize work in the U.S. Provide eligibility for Social Security benefits Qualify a dependent for Earned Income Tax Credit Purposes I would be interested to see how a US citizen could legally avoid the social security program and still be employed. You are correct. If you are in any possible interpretation of any law, eligible to obtain an SSN, the IRS will not give you an ITIN. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:29:36 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've rarely had to say a word going through the NM or TX checkpoints. If I got the where are you going, I always just pointed to the windshield with a that way without being a dick. Of course I was pretty obviously military with my out of state plates and appearance. I go thru checkpoints all the time. Usually pulling a center console. Never been searched, never asked to get out of the car. Mostly, the guys want to talk fishing. Anyone having drama at a checkpoint brought it with them. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:30:42 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I go thru checkpoints all the time. Usually pulling a center console. Never been searched, never asked to get out of the car. Mostly, the guys want to talk fishing. Anyone having drama at a checkpoint brought it with them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've rarely had to say a word going through the NM or TX checkpoints. If I got the where are you going, I always just pointed to the windshield with a that way without being a dick. Of course I was pretty obviously military with my out of state plates and appearance. I go thru checkpoints all the time. Usually pulling a center console. Never been searched, never asked to get out of the car. Mostly, the guys want to talk fishing. Anyone having drama at a checkpoint brought it with them. Yep |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:38:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not. ITINs are for people that do not qualify for an SSN, not for people who don't want one. If you're not in one of the very small categories that meet that criteria, the IRS won't give you one. Even if you are the IRS often won't give you one, I've been through this with an immigrant spouse. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/76647/D818A221-DBA1-4B7D-A772-2234F4B3BB56-2720477.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually, you'd get an individual Tax ID number from the IRS by filling out a W-7 form. There is a mechanism to address this exact situation. Keep thinking I'm nuts but if you HAVE to have a social security number why do you have to sign up for it, why isn't it just assigned to you? He's not. ITINs are for people that do not qualify for an SSN, not for people who don't want one. If you're not in one of the very small categories that meet that criteria, the IRS won't give you one. Even if you are the IRS often won't give you one, I've been through this with an immigrant spouse. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/76647/D818A221-DBA1-4B7D-A772-2234F4B3BB56-2720477.png |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:39:52 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've rarely had to say a word going through the NM or TX checkpoints. If I got the where are you going, I always just pointed to the windshield with a that way without being a dick. Of course I was pretty obviously military with my out of state plates and appearance. I go thru checkpoints all the time. Usually pulling a center console. Never been searched, never asked to get out of the car. Mostly, the guys want to talk fishing. Anyone having drama at a checkpoint brought it with them. Yep “Papers citizen” oh and pick up that can |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:40:44 AM EDT
[#49]
I do not. I consider myself as GOD (but emasculated and shorn of all Godly powers).
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:44:54 AM EDT
[#50]
I've seen so many tax exempt sovereign citizen attempts with HR over the last 5 or so years that my current employer finally paid a lawyer to give us a standard email to reject the claim. HR basically comes back saying if you're a sovereign citizen you have to show papers to prove the right to work, which nobody can produce.
That being said, from my limited experience, it seems keeping a good job and being a sovereign citizen may be difficult. |
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