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Posted: 2/22/2023 8:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's in the name, detective. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 8:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's in the name, detective. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG Your scream name shows you just identity with a school. Has shit to do with your location. You joined in 13, I've lived in five different states since then on work related moves. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 8:59:24 PM EDT
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Sure there are sovereigns here in various degrees... some simply believe that laws they interpret as not constitutional don't apply to them... but most understand that they must obey those laws or suffer the consequences. One can ignore a law but one cannot avoid the consequences of ignoring the law.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 8:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck.  wut |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your scream name shows you just identity with a school. Has shit to do with your location. You joined in 13, I've lived in five different states since then on work related moves. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SPLC is garbage, so are sovereign citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: defiant nuisance group that games the system ( some could argue that illegals, h1bs, etc. do too ). when i have read about a "sovereign citizen", i think if you 'f' with bull, you get the horns. they get the horns. selected lol splc sovereign citizens movement Paper terrorism The weapon of choice for sovereign citizens is paper. A simple traffic violation or pet-licensing case can end up provoking dozens of court filings containing hundreds of pages of pseudo-legal nonsense. For example, Donna Lee Wray the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, who was half of the team that killed the two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas, in 2010 was involved in a protracted legal battle in 2010 over having to pay a dog-licensing fee. She filed 10 sovereign documents in court over a two-month period and then declared victory when the harried prosecutor decided to drop the case. The battle was fought over a three-year dog license that costs just $20 in Pinellas County, Florida, where the sovereign lives. The SPLC is about the most biased source you could get. They've rarely been honest. Morris Dees was a hypocritical little bitch. I met him back in the day. IMHO, very dishonest and always pushing an agenda. I'm not particularly fond of either but if there was only one spot in the lifeboat, SPLC wouldn't get it. 
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:03:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your scream name shows you just identity with a school. Has shit to do with your location. You joined in 13, I've lived in five different states since then on work related moves. So you, who doesn't have the nuts to list where you actually live shits on someone who actually does. LMAO. Carry on. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. Show your work. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:04:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why make it harder for them later when it can be handled early? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again....wut? Why does getting my kids SS numbers have anything to do with buying them a gun? Right, because getting an SS for you kid, which is a perfectly normal thing to do, is just a NY thing. Where you from? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you, who doesn't have the nuts to list where you actually live shits on someone who actually does. LMAO. Carry on.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:05:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? No, because he won't get a job with any reputable employer without an SS. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your scream name shows you just identity with a school. Has shit to do with your location. You joined in 13, I've lived in five different states since then on work related moves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG Your scream name shows you just identity with a school. Has shit to do with your location. You joined in 13, I've lived in five different states since then on work related moves.  Edited: Whoops! I misread your post and thought that you were borderline doxxing him by writing that HE had lived in five different states since then on work related moves. My bad and I apologize. 
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:06:35 PM EDT
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It’s a nutty philosophy
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not particularly fond of either but if there was only one spot in the lifeboat, SPLC wouldn't get it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:09:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, because getting an SS for you kid, which is a perfectly normal thing to do, is just a NY thing. Where you from? Somolia. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:13:20 PM EDT
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So far two of them have come out of the woodwork. They'll keep trickling out if you keep the thread on page one.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:13:56 PM EDT
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IDK why people post "Am I being detained?" That's a legitimate legal tool. I have used it a lot since some officers seem to like to imply you have no choice when you really do. Attorney friends have even reinforced to me that it is an important question to ask, "Am I being detained?/Am I free to go?"
I'm not a SC and I ask it when the conversation starts to sound like a fishing trip for an officer. It makes sure both parties know exactly at what stage the interaction is at. Hell, I've even had to go so far as to tell them to charge me or cut bait because they said I was detained (I was 99.9% sure they did not have legitimate reasons to detain me) so I invoked the 4th & 5th and told them to charge or cut bait. They cut bait each time. It was probably better for both of us because they were mistaken/fishing and there was no reason to suspect I was guilty of anything; and I wasn't guilty. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd use both for rowing labor/bait. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not particularly fond of either but if there was only one spot in the lifeboat, SPLC wouldn't get it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK why people post "Am I being detained?" That's a legitimate legal tool. I have used it a lot since some officers seem to like to imply you have no choice when you really do. Attorney friends have even reinforced to me that it is an important question to ask, "Am I being detained?/Am I free to go?" I'm not a SC and I ask it when the conversation starts to sound like a fishing trip for an officer. It makes sure both parties know exactly at what stage the interaction is at. Hell, I've even had to go so far as to tell them to charge me or cut bait because they said I was detained (I was 99.9% sure they did not have legitimate reasons to detain me) so I invoked the 4th & 5th and told them to charge or cut bait. They cut bait each time. It was probably better for both of us because they were mistaken/fishing and there was no reason to suspect I was guilty of anything; and I wasn't guilty. How often does this happen to you? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often does this happen to you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IDK why people post "Am I being detained?" That's a legitimate legal tool. I have used it a lot since some officers seem to like to imply you have no choice when you really do. Attorney friends have even reinforced to me that it is an important question to ask, "Am I being detained?/Am I free to go?" I'm not a SC and I ask it when the conversation starts to sound like a fishing trip for an officer. It makes sure both parties know exactly at what stage the interaction is at. Hell, I've even had to go so far as to tell them to charge me or cut bait because they said I was detained (I was 99.9% sure they did not have legitimate reasons to detain me) so I invoked the 4th & 5th and told them to charge or cut bait. They cut bait each time. It was probably better for both of us because they were mistaken/fishing and there was no reason to suspect I was guilty of anything; and I wasn't guilty. How often does this happen to you? I knew that would be asked... It used to happen a lot more than it does now. I used to be at a lot of RKBA protests and engaged in other liberty supporting activities. I now live in a high crime urban hood and spend a lot of time out and about on foot. When 5-0 rolls up, most people run. I am usually the guy still there; I didn't do anything and my health issues won't allow me to run (heart and lung). It takes the local beat cop a while to figure it out. In the meantime, it's harassment and fishing; which gets old fast. ETA and to fix a typo: The point is, "Am I being detained?" is not just an SC thing. It can be a valuable tool for the individual who might find himself in the middle of a LE interaction. What's next; are we going to see people associating "I am exercising my right to remain silent." with SC or some other despised group? It can be difficult to decide if you are going to invoke the right to remain silent or to refuse to ID in certain states if you don't know for sure if you are detained. Ohio is one where if there is no RAS, one does not have to ID. However, if the officer does have RAS (how is the individual to know without mind reading?) then it is a crime to refuse to ID. I've had to use "Am I being detained?" when in Ohio just because of the ID law. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:24:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? Everyone keeps saying he'll need this as an adult. I agree, he probably will but my adult son can sign up at that point, I'm not going to make that decision for him. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:25:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm with this guy but I DO NOT WISH TO CREATE JOINDER |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he decides to get a SS card he's free to do so. I'm just not going to make that decision for him. If he works a normal job I'd imagine he'd pay SS taxes like everyone else. I'm sure there are some careers that are exempt. If he works at the railroad, he'd be exempt so he'd never ever have to get a SS card. Everyone keeps saying he'll need this as an adult. I agree, he probably will but my adult son can sign up at that point, I'm not going to make that decision for him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? Everyone keeps saying he'll need this as an adult. I agree, he probably will but my adult son can sign up at that point, I'm not going to make that decision for him. I understand why you chose that course and I applaud you for your convictions. I agree, he can easily apply for a SSN later if he chooses. You simply did not lock him into that choice and it's commendable. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:44:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wut Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. wut I think he has you mixed up with FedDC. He catches flack but he’s good people from what I’ve seen here. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:53:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, because he won't get a job with any reputable employer without an SS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? No, because he won't get a job with any reputable employer without an SS. Though I wonder if he were to be his own boss with his own business then how do his tax interactions with the IRS look? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:57:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So far two of them have come out of the woodwork. They'll keep trickling out if you keep the thread on page one. Meanwhile you statist are a tidal wave. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:00:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK why people post "Am I being detained?" That's a legitimate legal tool. I have used it a lot since some officers seem to like to imply you have no choice when you really do. Attorney friends have even reinforced to me that it is an important question to ask, "Am I being detained?/Am I free to go?" I'm not a SC and I ask it when the conversation starts to sound like a fishing trip for an officer. It makes sure both parties know exactly at what stage the interaction is at. Hell, I've even had to go so far as to tell them to charge me or cut bait because they said I was detained (I was 99.9% sure they did not have legitimate reasons to detain me) so I invoked the 4th & 5th and told them to charge or cut bait. They cut bait each time. It was probably better for both of us because they were mistaken/fishing and there was no reason to suspect I was guilty of anything; and I wasn't guilty. Not into any of that crap..I find it funny how much time statist spend on what someone else is doing though..sort of a pattern there. One guy here is eternally butthurt because another guy hasn't registered his teen-age son with the .gov.....now that's statist....but FJB!!1! |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:07:11 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone here that has said come and take'em, or "will not comply", is a sovereign citizen to some degree. But I am sure 99.99% of the people here are not the types roll around with license plate made from paper plates and crayon writing. I did drive a cube van from the Twin Cities to Phoenix and back, with license plate tabs made from blue painters masking tape and a sharpie. I just didn't feel like getting tabs, and I'm a gamblin' man. Does that qualify? Edit. No, I don't consider myself a SC, more of an anti-authority rebel/contrarian. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:26:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he has you mixed up with FedDC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. wut I think he has you mixed up with FedDC. Not the first time for sure. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Though I wonder if he were to be his own boss with his own business then how do his tax interactions with the IRS look? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? No, because he won't get a job with any reputable employer without an SS. Though I wonder if he were to be his own boss with his own business then how do his tax interactions with the IRS look? I've already heard "he can't go to public school unless he has a SS number" and "he can't get a passport if he doesn't have a SS number". Those people were all wrong. Are the people in this thread so well versed with the federal law around these things that there's no possibility something they always been told simply isn't true? Most of the folks in here singled their kids up for social security cards so they could get that sweet tax deduction and they are inferring I am the loon. I served my country, pay my taxes and follow the rules. I'm just someone that won't tether child's future to the federal government for a higher tax return. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:47:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he has you mixed up with FedDC. He catches flack but he’s good people from what I’ve seen here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least he has the balls to post his location. Or are you really in Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-2721259.JPG he's a fed, a died in the wool statist, he's the guy hoping to be wearing those boots on your neck. wut I think he has you mixed up with FedDC. He catches flack but he’s good people from what I’ve seen here. That’s exactly what happened. Surprise surprise, the sovereign citizen who believes in Bigfoot sucks at being right |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:49:33 PM EDT
[#34]
This country was founded by sovereign citizens. It required much heavy lifting to accomplish.
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great question and one I had myself. What if he becomes a high end saddle maker or the internet business he wants to grow turns into something huge? What if he never has to go for a bank loan? What if all the rules that apply to 99.9% of the people don't apply to him and I signed him up for a program that he can't opt out of just because it would save him 15 minutes and the gas it would take to get him to the social security office. I've already heard "he can't go to public school unless he has a SS number" and "he can't get a passport if he doesn't have a SS number". Those people were all wrong. Are the people in this thread so well versed with the federal law around these things that there's no possibility something they always been told simply isn't true? Most of the folks in here singled their kids up for social security cards so they could get that sweet tax deduction and they are inferring I am the loon. I served my country, pay my taxes and follow the rules. I'm just someone that won't tether child's future to the federal government for a higher tax return. Explain it to me like I'm a child. How does having a SSN tether your child's future to the govt? What benefits does your son receive if he chooses to be self employed or a career that does not contribute to SS? I have a friend that is a firefighter and he does not contribute to SS, though I am not sure if he could have been hired without an SSN. Would 14 (eventually 18) yrs of the child tax credit invested and provided your son with a better opportunity? |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My logic is I don't sign my minor son up for irrevocable federal government programs. If he feels he needs to do that, he can when he gets older. No one has answered yet, why did you register your newborn with the federal government? Lot's of things "are easier". Getting rid of your guns is "easier". You don't have to secure them, pay for ammo etc. If that came off snarky that wasn't the intention. I just struggle to understand why everyone just obediently signs their newborn up with the federal government. I assure you, the hospital wasn't happy I declined their offer to sign him up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You seem to have a deeper understanding than I, and I'll admit I've not looked into it since my son was born 14 years ago. Please enlighten everyone by sharing the law that requires everyone to have a social security number. I looked 14 years ago for about 2 months and I couldn't find it. I'm sure you're up to the challenge. I don't particularly care you didn't get one for your son. Your business and all. But what was your thought process on not doing it? I'm genuinely curious. No bait here at all. I see it the same way. Like it or not, social security is a voluntary program. Do people make it hard if you don't have one? Sure they do. My 14 year old doesn't have a job and may never work a "normal" wage paying job. He may start a company or be an artist or whatever. Getting a social security number is a 15 minute exercise like getting a driver's license. If the time comes where he feels he needs one, he can do what I did, go to the SS office and sign his own self up. In the mean time, its been a lot of fun to prove to people that "no" you don't actually have to have a social security number. When I signed him up for school they told me he had to have a number. Turns out, I was able to educate them about the requirements of signing up a 5 year old to a federal program. It's simply not required. Does my conviction cost me? Sure does. I've never deducted my son on my taxes. As far as the federal government is concerned, he doesn't exist. Conversely, why do folks sign their newborns up to a super crappy federal government social program before they leave the hospital? Did you ever wonder why you have to sign up and you aren't just assigned a number at birth? Your logic is the same as saying you don't need to wear clothes. Sure, you don't....but you won't be able to get much done without them on. No one has answered yet, why did you register your newborn with the federal government? Lot's of things "are easier". Getting rid of your guns is "easier". You don't have to secure them, pay for ammo etc. If that came off snarky that wasn't the intention. I just struggle to understand why everyone just obediently signs their newborn up with the federal government. I assure you, the hospital wasn't happy I declined their offer to sign him up. You're confused if you think not getting an SSN for someone somehow opts them out of social security. That simply isn't how it works at all. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:52:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is able to claim am llc/DBA SSN as the ssn for his kids when claiming them on his taxes??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. He is able to claim am llc/DBA SSN as the ssn for his kids when claiming them on his taxes??? Not legally he's not. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:22:03 PM EDT
[#38]
so many
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:23:40 PM EDT
[#39]
They seem like dim-witted mopes who spent too much time
in the county lockup listening to the frequent flyers who STILL get bail. In other words, losers |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain it to me like I'm a child. How does having a SSN tether your child's future to the govt? What benefits does your son receive if he chooses to be self employed or a career that does not contribute to SS? I have a friend that is a firefighter and he does not contribute to SS, though I am not sure if he could have been hired without an SSN. Would 14 (eventually 18) yrs of the child tax credit invested and provided your son with a better opportunity? In all likelihood when my son turns 17, he'll go sign up and get a card. But maybe he won't. Maybe he will become a missionary and never step foot in the US again. The maybe's are endless. If HE makes the decision to do it, it's his decision. Would you sign up your child to an irrevocable retirement scheme today that would follow them the rest of their life, oh yea don't forget it's going broke, if it wasn't with the federal government? Could I have invested the money from the child tax credit for him and had it produce benefits, yes. I have investments for him currently so he's not missing out. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't answer questions Am I free to travel unmolested? Not without a drivers license and insurance. Welcome to adulthood big boy. |
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Posted: 2/22/2023 11:33:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you mostly see is people trying to claim the rights of a sovereign citizen, without deserving to be a sovereign citizen. The youtube videos are hilarious. They typically end up with the Cops smashing in the driver's side window with a baton, dragging the "sovereign citizen" out of the car, then grounding and cuffing them. Our rights come from God, and NOT from government. So if you're trying to demand the government give you sovereign citizen rights, you're barking up the wrong tree. No one will ever enjoy their God given rights without first living a decent moral life deserving of them. There is a pathway to sovereign citizenship, and it begins with fulfilling your duty to God by helping others. Doing honest work is an expression of obeying God's law to help others. This sets into motion the blessing of financial independence as a matter of course. No one can ever be sovereign without working to earn their own financial freedom. Fulfilling this duty to God develops moral character which is the sole absolute requirement to enjoying the rights of a sovereign citizen. You must have spent a lot of time in the joint. Your time would have been better spent reading comic books. No one can pretend to be a sovereign citizen and get away with it, because God cannot be fooled. John Adams got it right. https://i.postimg.cc/TY0xjTmS/johnadams.jpg |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 7:22:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This country was founded by sovereign citizens. It required much heavy lifting to accomplish. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 7:57:47 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Though I wonder if he were to be his own boss with his own business then how do his tax interactions with the IRS look? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My son doesn't have a social security number either. He's almost 14. SS is a totally voluntary program that you CAN'T opt out of once in. Why would I tie my son to that for a lifetime just for better deductions on my taxes. Also, everyone that says you can't function without one is wrong. He has a passport, despite everyone saying you need a SS number to get one, including the folks at the post office. All the federal stuff says if you have a SS number you HAVE to put the number down but nowhere does it say you have to have one. When he's an adult, your son doesn't have to put in to SS withholdings at his job???? No, because he won't get a job with any reputable employer without an SS. Though I wonder if he were to be his own boss with his own business then how do his tax interactions with the IRS look? A sole prop will file the same as anyone else with the addition of a 1040-C, so even with an EIN you still need an SSN. Same with earnings drawn from any other set up, individual filing is still required. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 8:08:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like it or not, Social Security is a voluntary program. If it wasn't a voluntary program, you would be assigned a number at birth and it would be stamped on your birth certificate. It's not, you signed up for it and told the federal government you were going to rely on them and freely sanctioned them removing a decent percentage of your income. In all likelihood when my son turns 17, he'll go sign up and get a card. But maybe he won't. Maybe he will become a missionary and never step foot in the US again. The maybe's are endless. If HE makes the decision to do it, it's his decision. Would you sign up your child to an irrevocable retirement scheme today that would follow them the rest of their life, oh yea don't forget it's going broke, if it wasn't with the federal government? Could I have invested the money from the child tax credit for him and had it produce benefits, yes. I have investments for him currently so he's not missing out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Explain it to me like I'm a child. How does having a SSN tether your child's future to the govt? What benefits does your son receive if he chooses to be self employed or a career that does not contribute to SS? I have a friend that is a firefighter and he does not contribute to SS, though I am not sure if he could have been hired without an SSN. Would 14 (eventually 18) yrs of the child tax credit invested and provided your son with a better opportunity? In all likelihood when my son turns 17, he'll go sign up and get a card. But maybe he won't. Maybe he will become a missionary and never step foot in the US again. The maybe's are endless. If HE makes the decision to do it, it's his decision. Would you sign up your child to an irrevocable retirement scheme today that would follow them the rest of their life, oh yea don't forget it's going broke, if it wasn't with the federal government? Could I have invested the money from the child tax credit for him and had it produce benefits, yes. I have investments for him currently so he's not missing out. You seem to think that a social security number is simply used for that program. It's used as an approved ID number for pretty much everything, including IRS filing, and a required number for a lot of things, like driving. SS is like FICA, it's a mandatory withholding except when working for an exempt employer (the railroad like you mentioned is exempt)....pretty much every employer is non-exempt. That money is coming out of his check either way. I understand your stance, but that doesn't make it less stupid. To function as a US citizen right now, you will need one. I even put mine on the 4473 when I buy a gun, because my name is an extremely common one, helps prevent delays. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 8:11:37 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not legally he's not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got a buddy who is into that shit. He does shit like refuse to get his kids social security numbers. He started an LLC/dba and uses that tax number as their social security number. Then if the kid ever gets in trouble or needs to switch, just make a new LLC/dba. He said its not his choice to make. When the kids are old enough, if they want a ssn, they can get it themselves. He also suddenly started believing the flat earth shit, too. But hey, he's been my buddy since middle school. And he's got a job, running his own company and supports himself and his flock of kids. When we talk, we dont waste our time arguing and trying to convince each other they are wrong. I let him live his life and just get to sit back and be amazed at some of the shit he pulls out next. He is able to claim am llc/DBA SSN as the ssn for his kids when claiming them on his taxes??? Not legally he's not. I've read that too, these people are loons. "Start an LLC using the name of your child, and use that instead for all government interactions".....it doesn't work that way. Anyone with an LLC or other business entity knows this, it just makes for a bigger tax return because it's additional forms, you still need to file individually. I would love to see the interaction between one of them and a CPA if they tried to use their services. Their taxes are probably all fucked up after using all the "work arounds" and self filing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 8:13:42 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem to think that a social security number is simply used for that program. It's used as an approved ID number for pretty much everything, including IRS filing, and a required number for a lot of things, like driving. SS is like FICA, it's a mandatory withholding except when working for an exempt employer (the railroad like you mentioned is exempt)....pretty much every employer is non-exempt. That money is coming out of his check either way. I understand your stance, but that doesn't make it less stupid. To function as a US citizen right now, you will need one. I even put mine on the 4473 when I buy a gun, because my name is an extremely common one, helps prevent delays. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Explain it to me like I'm a child. How does having a SSN tether your child's future to the govt? What benefits does your son receive if he chooses to be self employed or a career that does not contribute to SS? I have a friend that is a firefighter and he does not contribute to SS, though I am not sure if he could have been hired without an SSN. Would 14 (eventually 18) yrs of the child tax credit invested and provided your son with a better opportunity? In all likelihood when my son turns 17, he'll go sign up and get a card. But maybe he won't. Maybe he will become a missionary and never step foot in the US again. The maybe's are endless. If HE makes the decision to do it, it's his decision. Would you sign up your child to an irrevocable retirement scheme today that would follow them the rest of their life, oh yea don't forget it's going broke, if it wasn't with the federal government? Could I have invested the money from the child tax credit for him and had it produce benefits, yes. I have investments for him currently so he's not missing out. You seem to think that a social security number is simply used for that program. It's used as an approved ID number for pretty much everything, including IRS filing, and a required number for a lot of things, like driving. SS is like FICA, it's a mandatory withholding except when working for an exempt employer (the railroad like you mentioned is exempt)....pretty much every employer is non-exempt. That money is coming out of his check either way. I understand your stance, but that doesn't make it less stupid. To function as a US citizen right now, you will need one. I even put mine on the 4473 when I buy a gun, because my name is an extremely common one, helps prevent delays. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 8:21:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now list all the things you needed a social security number for as a child. Bank Account Prepaid College Account 529 Savings Account Medical Insurance Coverage She's a toddler and we're setting her up to where when she reaches 18, she already has an advantage. Next step in a few years is to get her an investment property that is under her name with us as the executors until she reaches adulthood. So she'll have her own business, making her money, and she can capitalize on that and us it to grow even further. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 8:28:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, just things.... like the following I have for my kid. Bank Account Prepaid College Account 529 Savings Account Medical Insurance Coverage She's a toddler and we're setting her up to where when she reaches 18, she already has an advantage. Next step in a few years is to get her an investment property that is under her name with us as the executors until she reaches adulthood. So she'll have her own business, making her money, and she can capitalize on that and us it to grow even further. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now list all the things you needed a social security number for as a child. Bank Account Prepaid College Account 529 Savings Account Medical Insurance Coverage She's a toddler and we're setting her up to where when she reaches 18, she already has an advantage. Next step in a few years is to get her an investment property that is under her name with us as the executors until she reaches adulthood. So she'll have her own business, making her money, and she can capitalize on that and us it to grow even further. College plan? Are you some kind of commie? He's going to work for the railroad. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 8:36:05 AM EDT
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