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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:33:29 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, here is a friendly reminder  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't. I should. I forget things. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:34:03 PM EST
[#2]
A rifle is incomplete without a sling.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:39:24 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about toilet gun and guest toilet gun? For me OP, I have a sling on the HD AR but it isn't a "long" gun. Slings on bathroom guns. What if you drop the soap? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:40:33 PM EST
[#4]
My HD "long gun" is a suppressed MP5.
If a rifle is required, it will have a sling. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:43:17 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need a light mount also. Local fun shop is around the corner from work, so maybe tomorrow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't. I should. I forget things. They also make a Troy rail mount. Or just grab something from the toy store. Light and sling are a necessity. Saved my ass when some junkies were trying to break into my car. PID and retention. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:45:29 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I’d ask for a refund for the class. This |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:14:06 PM EST
[#7]
Slings and lights on everything
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:22:46 PM EST
[#8]
Of course.
I took my HD rifle with me when I had to go investigate a strange noise outside one night a few months ago. Took it off the hook (hung by the single-point sling) and slung the rifle as I was leaving the room to go outside. Didn't take any extra time or effort, and the rifle was secure on my body. If shit is going down RFN, the sling (small, single-point) isn't getting in my way if I don't sling-up. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:57:39 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Truck gun, yeah. Shop gun, no. Shed gun, no. Fire pit gun, no. Porch gun, yeah, sometimes. Mailbox gun, yeah. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:59:01 PM EST
[#10]
The ONLY long guns I have with slings are hunting guns. For HD I am not hoisting something to my shoulder and hiking around. I never even considered a sling for HD gun
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:07:19 PM EST
[#11]
Ive been taught over the years in MIL and LEO that slings are a necessity but my home defense AR not so much.
Everything else does, and I have one actually on the gun all wrapped up but I prefer it not deployed to yank it out of the safe and move through my house. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:44:23 PM EST
[#12]
AR pistol with a single point.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:53:42 PM EST
[#13]
No.
My rifle gets set on the ground when I’m finished using it. No reason to lug it around unnecessarily. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:18:45 AM EST
[#14]
Define "long gun".
I don't have anything over 10.5" inches set up at the moment. But you know what, it does not matter. Even the long bois that are not on lowers have slings. Everything I have has a sling. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:19:49 AM EST
[#15]
Doesn't pass the sniff test to me. With practice, getting in and out of a sling is pretty easy. If for some reason you don't want to sling up, there are support hand techniques to prevent it from dangling/snagging as you move.
Sounds like an instructor trying to seem unique and set himself apart by going against the grain. Dude should make a click bait YouTube video titled "The FATAL Flaw of HD Rifle Slings". Might make him a few bucks. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:38:55 AM EST
[#16]
I don't. I think it's inappropriate for home defense.
I don't want to think about it, and I don't want it snagging on anything. This is not deer hunting. This is enemy inside the wire. You don't have even one second to spare to put that sling around your head. You don't want to think about whether to don the sling or not. Your focus needs to be 100% on getting the gun in action. That means a round in the chamber and the safety off. Not messing around with the sling. Murphy's law: You need to be shooting at the exact moment you're putting the sling on. Or you're going to snag it on a door handle. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:40:39 AM EST
[#17]
Yes, because I am tactical AF.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:36:36 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I’d ask for a refund for the class. +1 Instructor is ummm not intelligent |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:38:02 AM EST
[#19]
How else would I make a sandwich after repelling an attack?
Of course I have a sling. It's just as important as a truck Boglin. 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:39:15 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone that watched the Rittenhouse video from Kenosha knows that slings work well to keep someone from taking your weapon. . 100% But don't be that dummy that sticks his barrel through a door way without pie-ing it first. Let the bad guys make that mistake. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:41:52 AM EST
[#21]
Quoted: Recently took a class where the instructor .(was full of shit...). .... there's not much you can't do in a house that you can't do one handed, ( Again, Instructor is full of more shit ) ............ . ..........................So it made me wonder, do you have a sling on your HD long gun? YES ! Integral part of a defensive long gun IS the sling. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:43:15 AM EST
[#22]
I only have slings on hunting guns, including one 20" AR. I have slings I could attach to shorter AR's but I basically never do.
The shorter ones are HD guns, I'm not going to go on patrol. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:53:25 AM EST
[#23]
Yes. Retain your weapon.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:58:03 AM EST
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:14:57 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a sling on every long gun, a light on every long gun, and a holster for every pistol I own. There’s no point in NOT having any of the above +1 |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:29:37 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you have to open doors between where you are and your kids are with a gun leveled that is also your flashlight rifles kind of suck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would one have a long gun for home defense? Because when you need to stop a motherfucker right now before he makes it into your kids room pistols kinda suck. When you have to open doors between where you are and your kids are with a gun leveled that is also your flashlight rifles kind of suck. Please take a low light class, I implore you. Flashlights today have such high lumen/candela that you are capable of illuminating a room without flagging a target. Can also use a handheld light, in addition to the rifle. Done it for a couple of classes. Not as nice as rifle mounted but not impossible to use. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:44:55 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if you drop the soap? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:15:25 AM EST
[#28]
Slings and iron sights on every long gun, optics on the ones that can accept them, WML on ones I might use for HD. And I'm working on holsters for every pistol.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:31:32 AM EST
[#29]
No sling, but I have one of those Magpul slings with the quick attach clips right next to it. If I have time to sling up, I can grab it. I keep it in single point configuration so I only have to attach one clip. I can then convert it to two point mode as time allows.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:40:58 AM EST
[#30]
Your instructor sounds like a clown. What other 'wisdom' did you pay to learn?
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Posted: 12/6/2023 5:59:34 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it is best do whatever you are most comfortable with. Novice not used to dealing with a sling that shoots their gun once a year? Probably best not to have it as there is probably a better chance of catching it on something or fucking something up than it actually helping. Experienced shooter that is used to a sling? Probably should have one. All of this. ^ |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 6:11:02 AM EST
[#32]
Long guns get slings.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 7:27:37 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ONLY long guns I have with slings are hunting guns. For HD I am not hoisting something to my shoulder and hiking around. I never even considered a sling for HD gun  This is about weapon retention, manipulation, and gives you the ability to go hands on if needed. We aren't slinging the rifle on our shoulders muzzle up waiting for a threat to present itself. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 7:36:34 AM EST
[#34]
No. It’s set up for a sling and I have one for it, but the sling is not installe.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 7:53:08 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just do this. Can grip it like a thumb hole stock, rifle functions normally. And if you need to sling it, slide it loose if it's quick adjust, and if it's fixed adjustment just collapse the stock and it's free. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/Light_Weight_Full_jpg-3050662.JPG Eta: another stored the same way https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/RECCEEEEEEEE_Full_2_jpg-3050673.JPG Both are for HD/Pest control. Gotta biiiig yard, so depending on where the noise is depends on which gets grabbed  This man gets it. I stow my rifle slings this same way because it allows for full manipulation of the rifle until I can deploy the sling. There are multiple ways to stow a sling so that it doesn't get caught on anything while still allowing use of the weapon. 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 7:57:30 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would one have a long gun for home defense?  |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:06:43 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This man gets it. I stow my rifle slings this same way because it allows for full manipulation of the rifle until I can deploy the sling. There are multiple ways to stow a sling so that it doesn't get caught on anything while still allowing use of the weapon. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52576664575_ec1381f3ea_c.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just do this. Can grip it like a thumb hole stock, rifle functions normally. And if you need to sling it, slide it loose if it's quick adjust, and if it's fixed adjustment just collapse the stock and it's free. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/Light_Weight_Full_jpg-3050662.JPG Eta: another stored the same way https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/RECCEEEEEEEE_Full_2_jpg-3050673.JPG Both are for HD/Pest control. Gotta biiiig yard, so depending on where the noise is depends on which gets grabbed This man gets it. I stow my rifle slings this same way because it allows for full manipulation of the rifle until I can deploy the sling. There are multiple ways to stow a sling so that it doesn't get caught on anything while still allowing use of the weapon. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52576664575_ec1381f3ea_c.jpg  Dead nuts simple to operate. When my car's alarm was going off in the middle of the night, I had my rifle slung faster than it took to jam on my unlaced boots. And I tied a knot at the end of each lace to keep them as loose as possible for quickly slapping them on. Made it out the door and to the car to chase off a couple hooligans. The scary part is I'm out in a very rural area where a neighbor will offer you an excavator for self defense should the need arise
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:24:59 AM EST
[#38]
Rifle yes
Shotgun no The only times I have grabbed a long gun when something went bump in the night, it was the shotgun. I have since switched to a pistol for that purpose since the pistol has a really bright, mounted light. The pistol does not have a sling. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:31:39 AM EST
[#39]
Inside a house where you're going to be in close proximity to the criminal, where there's a large chance that the assailant or assailants will try to disarm you? You would be stupid to not have a sling on your long arm. You don't get to choose the actions or the timing of the perps. They may wake you up in the middle of the night and be next to your bed. In that case, you won't get the gun slung immediately if at all. For that reason my go to is a pistol a foot away from me. For invaders that I get to hear breaking in, or driving up to the house, my AR is a foot behind my head. I will use the sling in those scenarios, because I'll have time. Retention is a thing.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:35:14 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe the same as your instructor, no sling for a gun that’s likely never to be slung. Doesn’t mean I don’t have QD sling points on it and a sling available if I think I might need one, and my other guns do have them This right here. In my house I won’t need it. If I need to go on patrol (rather unlikely) I know where the sling is and it’s clipped on pretty quick. At no point in a self defense situation on my property am I going to be saying. “I wish I had a sling on this” |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:37:47 AM EST
[#41]
A sling, a light, and a can.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:42:03 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone that watched the Rittenhouse video from Kenosha knows that slings work well to keep someone from taking your weapon. . This. Already had a sling on my long guns before but this was great learning from seeing the importance in action. In the close confines of a home, I think it’s just as important for retaining the weapon as it is for shooting faster and more accurately off hand at longer distances. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:43:42 AM EST
[#43]
Quoted: Recently took a class where the instructor recommended not putting a sling on your home defense long gun. Thought process being, you're almost certainly not going to sling it when you need it and you don't want it hanging on random shit as you move through your house if necessary. If you need to do something with your hands, there's not much you can't do in a house that you can't do one handed, and if you have to do medical on someone or whatever, the threat is over and the long gun isn't needed any more. I've taken other courses in the past where it was exactly the opposite. Sling on the long gun, as soon as you grab it for whatever reason, get into the sling in one smooth motion, and if you need to do anything with your hands, they'll be free to do so and you'll have control of your weapon. I see logic in both thought processes. So it made me wonder, do you have a sling on your HD long gun? That instructor is an idiot. Please tell us his name. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:44:27 AM EST
[#44]
You bet.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:47:13 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I came here to post this. Ive preached this to my coworkers who don’t think it’s necessary. He wouldn’t be alive if he didn’t have it. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/30/22/51169903-10260131-image-m-81_1638309949894.jpg Bingo! A perfect example. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:48:47 AM EST
[#46]
Sling secured with a ranger band
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:59:43 AM EST
[#47]
Sling, Weapon light, Optic on bed side
Gun for sure.... Might even throw a Bayonet on it... ?? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 9:03:29 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% But don't be that dummy that sticks his barrel through a door way without pie-ing it first. Let the bad guys make that mistake. and IF the bad gay does this you'll be happy you had a sling so you can go hands on that barrel with both hands and rip it away. Bad guy probably doesn't have a sling. EDIT: yes mine is lung but its not really a long rifle, more of a short rifle. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 9:10:44 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are thinking of a totally different way of using a sling than we are taking about. https://i.postimg.cc/tTqRYznb/IMG-0843.jpg This is about weapon retention, manipulation, and gives you the ability to go hands on if needed. We aren't slinging the rifle on our shoulders muzzle up waiting for a threat to present itself. But I would still rather have a basic shoulder sling than nothing in most cases. What if you have to mess with an electrical box, or put out a fire, or decide it was probably just the wind and get a glass of milk? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 9:27:22 AM EST
[#50]
bad instructor is bad. Sling your guns fellas.
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