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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:01:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell NO! Because I'm not a dumb@$$ that wants to wait for the Russians or the Chinese or the Iranians, or the North Koreans to invade and occupy all 50 of those weakened individual, tiny countries that won't be able to defend themselves against an invasion from any other full sized country. The US military (and all of their weapons/equipment) would vanish with that stupid push of a button, so all that each state would have would be it's individual state National Guard which would be a joke if they had to defend their state/country against an invasion from any real country. Heck, even Mexico's army would be larger than one state's National Guard and could easily start conquering the 48 continental states/countries, one at a time. How pathetic. What stupid idea. Sounds like someone really hates the USA and it's Constitution, as much as the antifa/BLM communists.   |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:08:35 AM EDT
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It would be a war-torn shit show within five years.
History says groups of contiguous small countries go to war, especially when resource disparities exist. Most people have no idea how much of their local governments' budgets come from federal dollars taken from other states. The Atlantic and Pacific coastal "countries" will respectively form nations and subjugate their inland neighbors. The mountain west would be dirt poor in no time. Mexico would regain much of its old borders. It would take maybe five years before one of the now poor and landlocked states starts flinging nukes around. The U.S. works as a giant country because of geology and geography. Break that up, and it's a shit show. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:15:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that the United States military, the best the world has ever seen, basically couldn't pacify Afghanistan? They could have destroyed 10,000 over, but they couldn't pacify it. You think Iran is going to march into some place like Texas? Iran couldn't pacify Oklahoma if you air dropped their entire military into Tulsa without being seen. 4GW is a bitch, doubly so when you're talking about a civilian population that has more small arms than all the militaries and police forces in the world combined. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hell NO! Because I'm not a dumb@$$ that wants to wait for the Russians or the Chinese or the Iranians, or the North Koreans to invade and occupy all 50 of those weakened individual, tiny countries that won't be able to defend themselves against an invasion from any other full sized country. The US military (and all of their weapons/equipment) would vanish with that stupid push of a button, so all that each state would have would be it's individual state National Guard which would be a joke if they had to defend their state/country against an invasion from any real country. Heck, even Mexico's army would be larger than one state's National Guard and could easily start conquering the 48 continental states/countries, one at a time. How pathetic. What stupid idea. Sounds like someone really hates the USA and it's Constitution, as much as the antifa/BLM communists. Foreign invasion is not the threat, outside of Mexico moving its Arizona, New Mexico, and (parts of) Texas borders northward. That would happen by attrition. The big problems will arise from landlocked states with nukes and agricultural and mining products to sell getting pushed around by the countries that control seaports. Imagine the wars that will break out just over control of the Mississippi River. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:15:57 AM EDT
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Fuck no. The chaos that would ensue would not be fun to live through. But I'd happily push a button that ended all welfare except beans, cheese, milk and bread lines.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:17:23 AM EDT
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Do you want California running the country?
Because that's how you get California running the country. Oregon and Washington would be on board with controlling shipments into the continent from Asia. There is an utter assload of military installations there and they would have their own Navy. It wouldn't take long for other western states to make deals for agriculture and access to international trade. It would be ugly. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:19:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want California running the country? Because that's how you get California running the country. Oregon and Washington would be on board with controlling shipments into the continent from Asia. There is an utter assload of military installations there and they would have their own Navy. It wouldn't take long for other western states to make deals for agriculture and access to international trade. It would be ugly. This. California, Oregon, and Washington quickly form one country. Hell, the hippies in the western part of the states and the ranchers and farmers in the east (northeast for California) will finally agree on something. Idaho will be their prison bitch. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:20:10 AM EDT
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Nope. Without the peace resulting from the US military's unparalleled force projection, the entire world would be set on fire in a matter of days. Wars, genocide. Sea lanes no longer safe, which means supply chains destroyed. Pure destruction and misery.
We have to right this ship, not sink it. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:26:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Foreign invasion is not the threat, outside of Mexico moving its Arizona, New Mexico, and (parts of) Texas borders northward. That would happen by attrition. The big problems will arise from landlocked states with nukes and agricultural and mining products to sell getting pushed around by the countries that control seaports. Imagine the wars that will break out just over control of the Mississippi River. I agree with much of that. Who is going to feed the population of the states that control the seaports (mostly thinking the east, California could easily feed itself)? Second, I would imagine the war between Missouri and Illinois over control of the Mississippi would last about as a long as it takes to get a B-2 from Whiteman to Chicago. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:29:25 AM EDT
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was really hoping this was the "summon an asteriod to kill us all thus ending 2020" button.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:33:36 AM EDT
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Which one do I push to get shed of the OP?
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:33:56 AM EDT
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No, the federal government is far less oppressive than my local ones. It's the question of do I want one tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants one mile away. Wisconsin governments (state, county, city) are notoriously corrupt esp. in the metropolitan areas and I really don't feel like having open scale warfare break out in my city over it right now. Wisconsin itself is a purple state chock full of retards as well and I have zero desire to live under whatever type of government they form.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:00:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't we just snap out fingers and get rid of half of the federal government first, just to see how things work out? Half per snap? *Snaps twice* |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:03:33 AM EDT
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The people in this thread that didn't push the button are the very reason we can't have a civil society.
Your mindset enables every level of government excess, that will eventually lead to totalitarianism, because you'll take every new burden rather than risk losing it all. The communists, the socialists, the totalitarians of every sort, know you're bluffing. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:14:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize that Europe is enjoying it's longest stretch of peace in, likely the last 1500 years right? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:19:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Like a wall, junior. Like a wall.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:24:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: I sure do realize that. Not sure how you think that proves your point though. I'm not TRULY arguing that this is a good idea. I'm pointing out how a few of you are making strange arguments about state sizes and how you're apparently saying that a peaceful Europe works there with many countries, but couldn't work here. My point about the fed isn't really about the founding father's intentions, but if you think what we have now fits that bill then I'm not sure where you're coming from on that. Don't you think they'd be disgusted with what the fed has become? My point about Europe was, the current point in time is a historical oddity; the birth and continued existence of the US is a historical oddity. I suppose you could argue two examples are enough proof that either could happen again if you hit the reset button. Historically, it ranges from dicey to not likely. I'm not arguing that it couldn't happen, I don't think either has existed long enough to say historical trends have been broken. The Federal government was for more than just mutual defense. And no I'm sure none of them would be fully happy with how things have turned out. Quoted: That would come as a pretty big surprise to a shitload of Ukrainians... I should have put 'relatively' before peaceful. England, France, Germany, Russia, Spain and Scandinavia aren't engaged in overt war.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:25:14 AM EDT
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It sure would suck to be a landlocked state. They'd probably get absorbed by coastal states overtime.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:26:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be a war-torn shit show within five years. History says groups of contiguous small countries go to war, especially when resource disparities exist. Most people have no idea how much of their local governments' budgets come from federal dollars taken from other states. The Atlantic and Pacific coastal "countries" will respectively form nations and subjugate their inland neighbors. The mountain west would be dirt poor in no time. Mexico would regain much of its old borders. It would take maybe five years before one of the now poor and landlocked states starts flinging nukes around. The U.S. works as a giant country because of geology and geography. Break that up, and it's a shit show. Don't bring history into this. Much like Communism, this time it'll be different.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:30:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps I’d remember that this country has powerful and malignant external enemies and I wouldn’t push the button. And then there is this. Can you imagine China having 49 new opportunities to expand their influence into North America? China would have a very quick roadmap to being unchallenged globally and then you'd really see some shit. The 2nd Amendment wouldn't be worth anything in the face of an unrestrained Chinese war machine. They'd be like Imperial Japan but with 5x the GDP, 10x the population, greater resources, and no credible opposition to oppose them. I prefer that America remain the world's pre-eminent superpower for the remainder of my days, and my kids days. We seem hell bent on fucking up a good thing both on the far left and the far right these days, and the middle just sits there clueless. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:32:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would that be without the world police known as USA? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You realize that Europe is enjoying it's longest stretch of peace in, likely the last 1500 years right? Not really sure how that would play out. Many different branches on that timeline. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:33:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the button is in your basement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can I move to a different state first? The rules seem simple and demand that I not push the button. You think I want to be HERE? If something like THAT happened? No sir. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:33:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:36:31 AM EDT
[#23]
 No You push The Button .I push The Button yes but to be honest I have OCD when it comes to buttons. i push them
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Posted: 8/13/2020 11:02:07 AM EDT
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Fuck it. I’ll push the button.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 11:31:21 AM EDT
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Even as a Texan, no I wouldn't push the button given your scenario parameters
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:08:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point about Europe was, the current point in time is a historical oddity; the birth and continued existence of the US is a historical oddity. I suppose you could argue two examples are enough proof that either could happen again if you hit the reset button. Historically, it ranges from dicey to not likely. I'm not arguing that it couldn't happen, I don't think either has existed long enough to say historical trends have been broken. The Federal government was for more than just mutual defense. And no I'm sure none of them would be fully happy with how things have turned out. I should have put 'relatively' before peaceful. England, France, Germany, Russia, Spain and Scandinavia aren't engaged in overt war.Agreed with that- I'm not saying it WOULD work out, just saying it's a possibility. I didn't mean to imply the only purpose of the fed was for defense I just meant it's the one thing we all pretty much agree the fed is good for. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd do it. Us free states would just invade and take over the liberal unarmed states. The military equipment is a deal breaker for me, considering how much is in Nevada and California alone. |
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