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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:21:11 PM EDT
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.Gov doesn’t even allow it to be sold to other NATO countries, let alone the civilian market. Anything that fails lot testing gets scrapped. Both EPR rounds (M80A1 and M855A1) are that way.
For what it’s worth, the Army is still ordering WAY more M855 than A1. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And mk318 is more accurate than 855a1. What is the Marine Corps going to for a ball round? |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:25:51 PM EDT
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.Gov doesn’t even allow it to be sold to other NATO countries, let alone the civilian market. Anything that fails lot testing gets scrapped. For what it’s worth, the Army is still ordering WAY more M855 than A1. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:27:10 PM EDT
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Why would you want something that needs a specially designed magazine to function in your rifle while it chews your feedramps out? I mean, if you want it then buy it, but I don't see the big deal of having any. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:29:28 PM EDT
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I want M995. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:30:35 PM EDT
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is A1 only issued the SF community? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.Gov doesn’t even allow it to be sold to other NATO countries, let alone the civilian market. Anything that fails lot testing gets scrapped. Both EPR rounds (M80A1 and M855A1) are that way. For what it’s worth, the Army is still ordering WAY more M855 than A1. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:40:28 PM EDT
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I want M995. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:14:38 PM EDT
[#8]
Make yer own. Make 'em better.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:38:17 PM EDT
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The round is more accurate than M855. ETA: I'd take MK262 Mod 1 over either. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:41:22 PM EDT
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Doing some reading on it, it doesn't seem to confer much performance advantage. You could load regular 855 projectiles to absolute max loads and get the same effect. In fact, the velocity of M855A1 may have been a bit optimistically estimated to begin with. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:42:01 PM EDT
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This old chestnut, How about the fact that no other services other than the army want anything to do with m855a1.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: is A1 only issued the SF community? |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:43:42 PM EDT
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I hope so. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:46:18 PM EDT
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SS190 projos offer nowhere near the same terminal performance that 855A1 projos fo, from everything I've seen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doing some reading on it, it doesn't seem to confer much performance advantage. You could load regular 855 projectiles to absolute max loads and get the same effect. In fact, the velocity of M855A1 may have been a bit optimistically estimated to begin with. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:51:02 PM EDT
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Doesn't it suck anyways? I thought that was the consensus?
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:54:18 PM EDT
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Doesn't it suck anyways? I thought that was the consensus? |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:57:30 PM EDT
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F you dude I completely forgot about that stuff and now I really want some too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want M995. Quoted:
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I want M995.  But seriously, I think BATFE will be all like "No Fun Allowed Peasant" if A1 ever becomes prevalent in the .Civ market. I mostly shoot M855 anyways as it reasonably replicates what I have in my gun (Gold Dot or RA556B) without having to use the good stuff except to fine tune and verify. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: USAF is using it too, FWIW, so 50ish% of DoD. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/294984/F78F5AC5-5B8D-4B44-A559-158547D58702_jpeg-902153.JPG |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:17:41 PM EDT
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Why would you want something that needs a specially designed magazine to function in your rifle while it chews your feedramps out? I mean, if you want it then buy it, but I don't see the big deal of having any. That said I'd buy some just because. Doubt I'd even shot it though.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magpul M3 magazines solve that issue from my understanding. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:23:43 PM EDT
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You're still going to have more wear and tear on the rifle. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:26:18 PM EDT
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Can you show me the report of this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're still going to have more wear and tear on the rifle. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:29:05 PM EDT
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Army ordnance has a rich history of fucking the American soldier. This is no different. A jack of all trades master of none round. Not a big enough increase of anything on paper to warrant service wide adoption. There will always be a contingent of people that cling to it like it’s the best thing ever, but it’s not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So? Similar statements could be made about MK318 and the Navy. (Mk318 is excellent, but it's a different animal) There will always be a contingent of people that cling to it like it’s the best thing ever, but it’s not. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:33:46 PM EDT
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And mk318 is more accurate than 855a1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The round is more accurate than M855. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:39:32 PM EDT
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I want M995. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:42:26 PM EDT
[#26]
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is A1 only issued the SF community? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.Gov doesn’t even allow it to be sold to other NATO countries, let alone the civilian market. Anything that fails lot testing gets scrapped. For what it’s worth, the Army is still ordering WAY more M855 than A1. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Mk318 doesn't offer the barrier blindness or barrier penetration M855A1 does. A hardened steel penetrator is better against barriers than a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw? I would still pick a Mk318 as a general purpose load over M855 A1. As to your last request about proof that it's an AP round, Enhanced Performance is in the name of the round, and you and everyone else won't be getting it in bulk. I can't even get Barnes 224 copper solids for reloading anymore, which were awesome for lack of pelt damage. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:45:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Looks at piles of m855 I bought during the green tip panic.
I hope not! |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:46:32 PM EDT
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You're still going to have more wear and tear on the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Magpul M3 magazines solve that issue from my understanding.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:47:50 PM EDT
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Can you show me the report of this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're still going to have more wear and tear on the rifle. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:52:52 PM EDT
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No shit? A hardened steel penetrator is better against barriers than a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw? I would still pick a Mk318 as a general purpose load over M855 A1. As to your last request about proof that it's an AP round, Enhanced Penetrating is in the name of the round, and you and everyone else won't be getting it in bulk. I can't even get Barnes 224 copper solids for reloading anymore, which were awesome for lack of pelt damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And Mk318 doesn't offer the barrier blindness or barrier penetration M855A1 does. A hardened steel penetrator is better against barriers than a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw? I would still pick a Mk318 as a general purpose load over M855 A1. As to your last request about proof that it's an AP round, Enhanced Penetrating is in the name of the round, and you and everyone else won't be getting it in bulk. I can't even get Barnes 224 copper solids for reloading anymore, which were awesome for lack of pelt damage. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:54:32 PM EDT
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No shit? A hardened steel penetrator is better against barriers than a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw? I would still pick a Mk318 as a general purpose load over M855 A1. As to your last request about proof that it's an AP round, Enhanced Penetrating is in the name of the round, and you and everyone else won't be getting it in bulk. I can't even get Barnes 224 copper solids for reloading anymore, which were awesome for lack of pelt damage. Though I have no doubt there's people that don't want civilians to have it. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:58:42 PM EDT
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Yes, after the army adopts joglee’s new caliber. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:00:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Magpul M3 magazines solve that issue from my understanding. So no. Probably not. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL, that's not proof. Though I have no doubt there's people that don't want civilians to have it. There are those that will keep this away from the civilian market. Proof is in the name, if you are paying attention, and I'll bet you a substantial amount that it will never be commercial because of ass-hattery, and you know it too, or you wouldn't be asking. You already knew the answer to your question when you asked it. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did I say I wanted to shoot it as a general purpose load like M193? I bet a lot of people would just like to have a a few 30-40 round mags of it without having to worry if they shoot it will they ever get more to replace it. Also, Enhanced Performance Round.... Not Penetrating. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:04:40 PM EDT
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Yep. There are those that will keep this away from the civilian market. Proof is in the name, if you are paying attention, and I'll bet you a substantial amount that it will never be commercial because of ass-hattery, and you know it too, or you wouldn't be asking. You already knew the answer to your question when you asked it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: LoL, that's not proof. Though I have no doubt there's people that don't want civilians to have it. There are those that will keep this away from the civilian market. Proof is in the name, if you are paying attention, and I'll bet you a substantial amount that it will never be commercial because of ass-hattery, and you know it too, or you wouldn't be asking. You already knew the answer to your question when you asked it. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:05:00 PM EDT
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Why would you want something that needs a specially designed magazine to function in your rifle while it chews your feedramps out? I mean, if you want it then buy it, but I don't see the big deal of having any. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know some people will try to prevent it, will they be successful. Unfortunate we have to pick the battles we fight in court. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:12:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Mk318 doesn't offer the barrier blindness or barrier penetration M855A1 does. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:26:49 PM EDT
[#41]
It's just a cartridge... nothing magic.... Just wait, there will be another Magic cartridge down the road, that everyone can't have....
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:41:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: And Mk318 doesn't offer the barrier blindness or barrier penetration M855A1 does. https://s17-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2F1s18w12tqveh1xfywp1ulx42-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FLead_AR-15-223-vs-556-8-0411.jpg&sp=3bd2ba70d27040dc45f3cc43095a6ca7 |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:48:14 PM EDT
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I know an ARFCOM member here selling it. It's some pretty wicked stuff. I'd like to get a couple hundred rounds just to put away. The only down side is that it is FUCKING EXPENSIVE when you do find it.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:14:19 PM EDT
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I know an ARFCOM member here selling it. It's some pretty wicked stuff. I'd like to get a couple hundred rounds just to put away. The only down side is that it is FUCKING EXPENSIVE when you do find it. Lots of guys shoot indoors and no range is gonna let you shoot it. Edit: Now I want a dedicated SR15 sighted in with M855A1 |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:27:22 PM EDT
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I would rather have Federal 62g ETSP.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:36:06 PM EDT
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Second downside is would be difficult (or in my case VERY difficult) to sight in. Lots of guys shoot indoors and no range is gonna let you shoot it. Edit: Now I want a dedicated SR15 sighted in with M855A1 On the other hand. Why am I sighting in a RIFLE at 25 yards? I'll usually sight in at 200 yards at an outdoor range. Granted, those in ultra heavy populated areas have a much harder time doing this. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:50:57 PM EDT
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There's a guy on gunbroker selling 100 round lots for 2 bucks a round right now
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, I was RA and we had it in Afghanistan in 2010, I know cause it's what my unit was issued. Now I keep it for my bedside rifle... |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:00:39 PM EDT
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All will depend on where you are to sight in. No indoor range will let you shoot this stuff at all. (atleast none that I know of) On the other hand. Why am I sighting in a RIFLE at 25 yards? I'll usually sight in at 200 yards at an outdoor range. Granted, those in ultra heavy populated areas have a much harder time doing this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Second downside is would be difficult (or in my case VERY difficult) to sight in. Lots of guys shoot indoors and no range is gonna let you shoot it. Edit: Now I want a dedicated SR15 sighted in with M855A1 On the other hand. Why am I sighting in a RIFLE at 25 yards? I'll usually sight in at 200 yards at an outdoor range. Granted, those in ultra heavy populated areas have a much harder time doing this. I have access to multiple 50yd and 100yd indoor ranges. The only 25yd range I know also has a 50 and a 100. (Elite Shooting Sports) 50yds is the norm |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:15:36 PM EDT
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This old chestnut, How about the fact that no other services other than the army want anything to do with m855a1. |
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