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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:30:51 PM EST
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Not sure why he took a hard right...
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:32:49 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks expensive My question is: if you have a Viper, why lower yourself to racing some clapped out piece of ricer shit? That clapped out piece of ricer shit just won the race. 
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:32:55 PM EST
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I have had several. They try really hard to fucking kill you.
They do not tolerate or forgive any foolishness. Older models with low mileage and old tires are a recipe for disaster. It was the last old school race car with an inspection sticker. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:34:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I butchered it a bit, its been a long time since I read about it. https://www.motortrend.com/news/chrysler-ordering-pre-production-1992-dodge-vipers-be-destroyed/ There is a lot of stuff online saying over 50% of the early models were totaled out. I met I guy with a Gen 2 (late 90’s) that had been totaled twice before he got it. Yup, he totaled it a third time. I’m pretty sure it’s back on the road. It is an interesting question, out of the < 30,000 made, how many are still on the road? It’s not a car that gets driven much, just wrecked a lot. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:35:52 PM EST
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Vipers get wonky real quick
Back about 2005 I sold a Brand new Viper and Ram 1500 to a family. The Ram was for the son's 16th Bday. The Viper was for dad. They wanted to "surprise" the kid in to thinking the Viper was for him. Explained it wasn't but let the kid take his friend for a ride during the Bday party. The kid lost control, hit a pole and a transformer fell on his friend in the passenger seat killing him... |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:37:14 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, Vipers are so cool until you lay into them, have heard a few stories about that. 
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:39:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude was in a Viper, he already won at life! WTF was he doing racing a civic?! I pray for his sake that it was just a rental lol Integra, but close enough. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:48:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have had several. They try really hard to fucking kill you. They do not tolerate or forgive any foolishness. Older models with low mileage and old tires are a recipe for disaster. It was the last old school race car with an inspection sticker. What does that mean? |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:48:21 PM EST
[#9]
too much power, not enough talent.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:49:34 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Leno had a garage show on his a couplea years ago... one a those clamshell hoods is like 25k  https://i0.wp.com/hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Viper.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&ssl=1 Ask Hennessy about those. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:50:15 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have had several. They try really hard to fucking kill you. They do not tolerate or forgive any foolishness. Older models with low mileage and old tires are a recipe for disaster. It was the last old school race car with an inspection sticker. I kinda want to drive an 80s Mercedes Hammer just to see if it's the monster today it was at the time. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:53:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does that mean? No nannies to protect you. First two generations like the one wrecking had nothing besides air bags. Third and forth generations (2003-2010) got government mandated anti lock breaks… nothing else. The gen 5 (2013-2017) got the works. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:55:12 PM EST
[#13]
First gen Vipers were notorious for going off the road backwards. I have seen the aftermath in person. They require real skills to be aggressive with the throttle.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:56:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've often heard that the viper is the type of car that will kill you if you give it the chance. This. Absolutely unforgiving car. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:57:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does that mean? Small car, engine bigger than anything on the market, RWD, massive tires, no traction control.... Outside of modern rubber and engine management, the early Viper has more in common with old school race cars than its contemporary cars, and certainly mass produced stuff since. Its goal was to be the new AC Cobra. In the right hands, it destroyed many track records. In the wrong hands, it is a widow maker. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:59:06 PM EST
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Posted: 4/13/2022 9:59:38 PM EST
[#17]
I recognize that guy! @getnlwr
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:03:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doug did a review of an early model. They are insanely stupid. It does come with a warning sticker though that there's no roll bar so just don't get into an accident and you'll be fine.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ8rhpxVpqsQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've often heard that the viper is the type of car that will kill you if you give it the chance. Doug did a review of an early model. They are insanely stupid. It does come with a warning sticker though that there's no roll bar so just don't get into an accident and you'll be fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ8rhpxVpqs |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:06:08 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember that video. The Viper had very "spartan" accommodations. The Gen1 RT-10 was all business. The first year, and most of the second year didnt even have A/C |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:06:27 PM EST
[#20]
Between this and the goose video it's already been a pretty good week in GD.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:07:29 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ditto. Also, this generation of Vipers were known to be lethal. I'm not sure if it was this exact one, but many of the early ones were bought back by Dodge because they were not up to safety standards and people were dieing. They were made for the track, not cruising the roads. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks expensive My question is: if you have a Viper, why lower yourself to racing some clapped out piece of ricer shit? Ditto. Also, this generation of Vipers were known to be lethal. I'm not sure if it was this exact one, but many of the early ones were bought back by Dodge because they were not up to safety standards and people were dieing. They were made for the track, not cruising the roads. Back in the day, I tecall watching the Viper vs Vette race day at Gingerman. Even with track enthusiasts (I'd classify the bunch that day as between beginner-intermediate and some experienced), a bunch of Viper owners were spinning off the track. They're torque monsters. If you don't have the skill/experience to catch'em early when the rear steps out... buh bye. No different than that video a few months back of the middle aged Asian dumbass rolling his new Vette on the 1st lap on a roadcourse. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:08:04 PM EST
[#22]
I own one. That's just painful to watch.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:10:02 PM EST
[#23]
 Retards. It sounded like a weedwhacker and a UPS truck lined up. The crash was fucking epic! ?? |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:11:18 PM EST
[#24]
Hey I'm Johnny Knoxville...
And I'm Viper Boomer!!
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:14:47 PM EST
[#25]
I never realized how small vipers are.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:17:10 PM EST
[#26]
I don’t care how dangerous Viper were, a 90s Viper will always be one of my dream cars and I would daily drive it if I had one.
Back in the early 2000s when I street raced there were a few of them around. I befriended a guy with one and raced around with it in my 99’Z28 that I had. Fun times. I wouldn’t have on a busy street like in that video though. That was very stupid. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:21:44 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care how dangerous Viper were, a 90s Viper will always be one of my dream cars and I would buy one if I had the disposable income. Back in the early 2000s when I street raced there were a few of them around. I befriended a guy with one and raced around with it my 99’Z28 that I had. Fun times. "The first-generation Viper V10 engine had a displacement of 7,990 cc (8.0 L; 487.6 cu in) and produced 400 hp (406 PS; 298 kW) at 4600 rpm and 465 lb·ft (630 N·m) of torque at 3600 rpm." 1st gens curbed around 3000lbs. lol |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:22:58 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Leno had a garage show on his a couplea years ago... one a those clamshell hoods is like 25k https://i0.wp.com/hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Viper.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&ssl=1 Yep. For a while when the value of the earlier Vipers was bottomed out, just damaging that hood would pretty much total the car. No idea if that is still the case, since the values of so many cars from that era have gone nuts. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:28:18 PM EST
[#29]
Sturdy sign!
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:33:00 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine losing a race to a piece of shit four cylinder with no hood, on the way to the junk yard and wrecking your Viper too. Fixed |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:33:43 PM EST
[#31]
Why doesn't the Acura have a hood? Is that something the rice people do these days?
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:34:35 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sturdy sign! He takes out a metal light pole slowing him down. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:34:47 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And guess what. Insurance won’t pay for it…. Wrong, that's what comprehensive is for. 
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:35:52 PM EST
[#34]
Don't those vipers only have like 400 hp?
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:37:36 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I took one out that belonged to a customer of mine. He threw me the keys and said: “have fun.” I took my colleague with me, and we went down a long dead end road. When I turned around, I jumped on it with everything it had. My colleague was desperately looking for something to grab on to in sheer panic. You know that feeling on a really fast sport bike when it feels like the bike will come out from under you? That’s what the Viper felt like. I made it halfway through second gear and chickened out. I knew it was going to get away from me. Torque steer is VERY real. That's weird, I thought vipers were rear wheel drive. Edit: I see that's been covered already |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:39:09 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I recognize that guy! @getnlwr Nope, not him, his Viper is a different color. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:39:41 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks expensive My question is: if you have a Viper, why lower yourself to racing some clapped out piece of ricer shit? Funny how that happens. My roommate in the Philippines had a Ninja ZX-14r, it was of course an overseas model and had no US limits so it was insanely quick and extremely fast. It was amazing how many people would pull up on some sport bike or another and want to race. I'm not a sport bike rider and while I've done a couple of track days I know I'm not a good enough rider to street race, especially on Philippine roads, even though the bike would have made short work of almost everything on the roads there. 
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:42:22 PM EST
[#38]
Stupid Boomer. It reminds me of the video where that idiot Cropduster mistook Main street for a runway.
  (It was a Power Failure!!!)Idiots abound. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:46:12 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why doesn't the Acura have a hood? Is that something the rice people do these days? They couldn't afford it after making their honduh run a 14.1 ET? |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:46:28 PM EST
[#40]
 A New Balance Boomer with more bucks than brains. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:46:49 PM EST
[#41]
I got to do a complete tear down on one when I was in collision repair. They are nothing but a frame and big motor. The seats weight nothing and the passenger compartment is nothing but a composite tub. Structural make is all composite and glue.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:48:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I rechecked that Leno vid... he was saying that hood was for a long time the most expensive single replacement part for an American car @ 24K... also was saying the first gen had not traction control or even ABS.. his is a 93.. NOS hoods sold out maybe 8 years ago for around 5k. If you need a new one, you have to buy it from a hoarder if there are any left. Not sure what they go for now. Hope I don't have to find out. Gen II got ABS in 2000.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:48:48 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, not him, his Viper is a different color. Just checked. It's still in the garage. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:52:15 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't those vipers only have like 400 hp? Gen II in the video is about 450 stock. It's still a fun car, until... |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:53:34 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NOS hoods sold out maybe 8 years ago for around 5k. If you need a new one, you have to buy it from a hoarder if there are any left. Not sure what they go for now. Hope I don't have to find out. Gen II got ABS in 2000. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59505/210956400_10223870918018331_205831027044-2348386.JPG I think Gen 4 is still the most dangerous. abs only with the power bumped up to 600. After some extra effort 700hp on mine. (Still small numbers compared to the twin turbo guys at Calvaro Motorsports with 2400hp. Just cause we need more photos. 
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:56:26 PM EST
[#46]
HE TOO OLD! HE TOO OLD!
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:57:34 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, Vipers are so cool until you lay into them, have heard a few stories about that. I’ve driven two. A first year convertible, and a later hard top. As stated, tires are the weak spot. The engine will out-rev traction in a heartbeat. You need warmed up slicks to drag. The first year (button windows, etc…) was the epitome of raw. Bad ass, but dangerous if you don’t know. True story- The guy that owned it let his stripper GF drive it, and she got T-boned by some old guy in a full sized van… Wasn’t even close to her fault, and he got more from the insurance payout than he paid for it, lol. Oh, but they broke up. She was a stripper after all.., |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:57:41 PM EST
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In the last 8 months, I have spent 2 hours each in an early 00's Viper and a '14 Stingray. Enough time to figure out the pros/cons of each and without crashing either car or going to jail. I'd read all the stories from day one, just like in this thread, that driving (really driving!) the Viper is just like trying to fly a helicopter: its mission is to kill you. And they were not wrong. At its upper limits, you could tell it was getting a bit nervous, a bit dicey, a bit skittish. The Vette, with its dozen+ years of R&D was solidly planted, more compliant and more confidence inspiring all the way up to and well beyond where the Viper had been exercised. But that confidence inspiring will kill you just as fast, LOL. Had several discussions with a couple of friends shooting the sh*t recently. If you decided to throw 40K at one or the other, which would you choose?
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:01:47 PM EST
[#49]
Vipers are brutally powerful. Obviously they are not drag cars as the light rear end always wants to walk around and get in front of the heavy lump it's trying to push down the road. They are for driving at speed on track.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:09:13 PM EST
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The insurance company thanks him for this video.
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