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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While there are elements of overreach with many game warden functions, without them you'd have rubes, mouth-breathers, and shitheads of all kinds killing everything that moves. For folks who don't care about hunting, I guess it's no big deal. I'm not a game hunter...pigs and predators for my choice. However, I guarantee that if unfettered, deer, game birds, fish of many species would be decimated. It ain't a perfect solution, but without some form of game management and enforcement it would get pretty bad. Sure. But we have the same game laws that we had on the lands of kings and lords in Europe 500 years ago. That needs to change. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:24:21 PM EDT
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4th Amendment is for all law enforcement to follow, Feds, States, cities, every one who puts on a badge.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think about it, if the cops couldn't search your property, it would be hard to enforce drug laws. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/421749520922181632/sCkykwNf_400x400.jpeg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s called the open fields doctrine. Wildlife officers can go onto private property to enforce wildlife laws. They cannot however enter your house without a warrant or permission. Think about it, if they couldn’t venture onto private property it would be damn near impossible to enforce game laws, especially in states with very little public land. Think about it, if the cops couldn't search your property, it would be hard to enforce drug laws. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/421749520922181632/sCkykwNf_400x400.jpeg Yeah...that's really curtailed the drug problem.  Just like many laws, they're more intended to make more people into criminals than they are to actually do something about the 'real' criminals.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:36:14 PM EDT
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The constitution clearly says that game wardens don’t need a warrant to search your property.
Do you even read bro? |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:49:59 PM EDT
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I personally only have had one interaction with a game warden.
Done fishing for the day, loaded the boat, still on the ramp tying up and he wants to do an inspection. It's 34* and there are 5-6 boats waiting for me to move. I ask him to let me move so they can load. "If you so much as move toward that truck you're going to jail." Just plain as that. I point to the warden and throw up my hands while he inspects. The waiting boats pull up, get out, and go to get their trucks and trailers to get in line. I have everything in order so he got nothing on me and now he's pissed. He then proceeds to move his truck out of my way, only to find 3 flat tires and one quickly going flat. He had to move that truck on four flats to unplug the ramp. Nobody saw a thing. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:    I always find it funny just how many people in thousands of cop threads over the years STILL get it all wrong. Enlighten us. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 5:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally only have had one interaction with a game warden. Done fishing for the day, loaded the boat, still on the ramp tying up and he wants to do an inspection. It's 34* and there are 5-6 boats waiting for me to move. I ask him to let me move so they can load. "If you so much as move toward that truck you're going to jail." Just plain as that. I point to the warden and throw up my hands while he inspects. The waiting boats pull up, get out, and go to get their trucks and trailers to get in line. I have everything in order so he got nothing on me and now he's pissed. He then proceeds to move his truck out of my way, only to find 3 flat tires and one quickly going flat. He had to move that truck on four flats to unplug the ramp. Nobody saw a thing. Now that's a damn shame. A damn shame. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 7:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus, this is too easy. I agree with you, but your case is weaksauce. "Officer, was the corn in plain view on the ground where the defendent was hunting?" "Yes your honor". "Guilty of the charge of hunting over bait". It doesn't matter who put it there, what matters is A) Where you hunting, and B) Was the bait there. What if the elderly handicapped guy is sitting at home eating dinner with his wife when the warden writes him up? |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 7:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enlighten us. Why? the lawyer isn't. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 7:30:45 PM EDT
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Must have been those yankee wardens
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Posted: 2/28/2022 7:31:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I find it not funny, how, in a thread full of stories about law abiding fellow gun owners getting corruptly shafted by cops, you can't find a shred of sympathy for any of them and instead just show up to belittle them. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that make up shit and refuse to learn the truth. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 7:50:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that make up shit and refuse to learn the truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And I find it not funny, how, in a thread full of stories about law abiding fellow gun owners getting corruptly shafted by cops, you can't find a shred of sympathy for any of them and instead just show up to belittle them. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that make up shit and refuse to learn the truth. Interesting. Quoted: The job was properly done in the apartment. Armed murderer got shot. Think of all the time and tedious court appearances saved. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 8:01:39 PM EDT
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No body ever pushes back.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 8:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And I find it not funny, how, in a thread full of stories about law abiding fellow gun owners getting corruptly shafted by cops, you can't find a shred of sympathy for any of them and instead just show up to belittle them. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that make up shit and refuse to learn the truth. Interesting. Quoted: The job was properly done in the apartment. Armed murderer got shot. Think of all the time and tedious court appearances saved.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:01:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Watching the "wardens" show and it shows 2 game wardens responding to a call in a rural area of a gunshot. They walk onto a property without permission, look around, find a small pile of corn by a stand, and then go to confront the landowner. They tell him someone reported a gunshot, so they searched his land and found the cornpile. They then accuse him of poaching a deer, and tell him "if you shot a deer with a rifle, it is much better just to be open with us now." The elderly guy is somewhat handicapped walking with a cane. His wife and him say they have been in the house all evening and that there are gunshots all the time out where they live. The wardens kept pushing trying to get the guy to confess to something, at which point the guy kind of lost it and asked WTF they were doing coming onto his place without any probable cause and accusing him of poaching. The officers cited him with a $430 ticket for baiting. Are wildlife officers not bound by the 4th? It would seem this guy would have an easy out claiming his 4th amendment rights were violated by trespassing officers. I am not condoning poaching, but I am also amazed at how many people on the show basically hang themselves by not exercising their 5th amendment rights. Was this guy's property fenced or not fenced? And was it posted no trespassing? I'm sure the laws differ by state, but I'm fairly certain here in Oklahoma you can have a deer feeder out all year long, and as long as you are on your own property (or have permission from owner) you don't even have to pull it down when you are hunting. Obviously you can't do that on the state's land. This is for anyone reading, if your property is fenced (5 lines barbed wire and t posts) and gated/locked, and posted no trespassing, and most of the property can not be seen from the road (40 acres or more), can the wardens come onto your property anytime? |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:32:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fish Cops have far worse than that . I lost respect for them decades ago . gd This. Scum of the earth. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Fourth Amendment doesn't generally apply to "plain sight" observations made outside. If the public can go there, generally LE can go as well. In some states (New Hampshire being one, as I'm assuming you're talking about that state) you need to take positive steps to prevent people from going on your land for criminal trespassing to apply. Fenced in areas, posted with "No Trespassing" signs, or personally communicating to the individual. Not here. They can come in through locked gates. And even pick the locks. Friend has evidence on camera. When asked, they said they have keys to all master locks and go where they want. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:41:59 PM EDT
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COC 7 ~ Bollocks44
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:42:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was this guy's property fenced or not fenced? And was it posted no trespassing? I'm sure the laws differ by state, but I'm fairly certain here in Oklahoma you can have a deer feeder out all year long, and as long as you are on your own property (or have permission from owner) you don't even have to pull it down when you are hunting. Obviously you can't do that on the state's land. This is for anyone reading, if your property is fenced (5 lines barbed wire and t posts) and gated/locked, and posted no trespassing, and most of the property can not be seen from the road (40 acres or more), can the wardens come onto your property anytime? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Watching the "wardens" show and it shows 2 game wardens responding to a call in a rural area of a gunshot. They walk onto a property without permission, look around, find a small pile of corn by a stand, and then go to confront the landowner. They tell him someone reported a gunshot, so they searched his land and found the cornpile. They then accuse him of poaching a deer, and tell him "if you shot a deer with a rifle, it is much better just to be open with us now." The elderly guy is somewhat handicapped walking with a cane. His wife and him say they have been in the house all evening and that there are gunshots all the time out where they live. The wardens kept pushing trying to get the guy to confess to something, at which point the guy kind of lost it and asked WTF they were doing coming onto his place without any probable cause and accusing him of poaching. The officers cited him with a $430 ticket for baiting. Are wildlife officers not bound by the 4th? It would seem this guy would have an easy out claiming his 4th amendment rights were violated by trespassing officers. I am not condoning poaching, but I am also amazed at how many people on the show basically hang themselves by not exercising their 5th amendment rights. Was this guy's property fenced or not fenced? And was it posted no trespassing? I'm sure the laws differ by state, but I'm fairly certain here in Oklahoma you can have a deer feeder out all year long, and as long as you are on your own property (or have permission from owner) you don't even have to pull it down when you are hunting. Obviously you can't do that on the state's land. This is for anyone reading, if your property is fenced (5 lines barbed wire and t posts) and gated/locked, and posted no trespassing, and most of the property can not be seen from the road (40 acres or more), can the wardens come onto your property anytime? Not anytime. But if they need to, they can (probable cause or attempt to speak with a land owner) |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:23:25 PM EDT
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The Institute for Justice has some good reading on this and is suing the state of TN
https://ij.org/press-release/new-lawsuit-asks-whether-state-agents-can-trespass-and-place-cameras-on-private-land-in-tennessee/ Camden, Tenn. Terry Rainwaters lives, farms and hunts on the 136 acres he owns along the Big Sandy River in rural Tennessee. It’s clear that the farm is private property, with a “no trespassing” sign on the gate. Yet agents of the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA) ignored that warning, entering his property to set up and retrieve cameras that they used to watch for hunting violations. Now, Terry and another property owner, Hunter Hollingsworth, are teaming up with the Institute for Justice (IJ) to sue the TWRA, asking the court to protect their right—and the rights of all Tennesseans—not to be subject to warrantless searches. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 10:38:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, if 92% of them weren't absolute, unadulterated bullshit, it might be easier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And I find it not funny, how, in a thread full of stories about law abiding fellow gun owners getting corruptly shafted by cops, you can't find a shred of sympathy for any of them and instead just show up to belittle them. Well, if 92% of them weren't absolute, unadulterated bullshit, it might be easier. Here’s a 100% true one for you. When my grandparents were alive we would always do Thanksgiving at my grandpa’s cabin on his 1,200 acres in the middle of nowhere. We also, of course, hunted deer there. On Thanksgiving day, literally within 10 minutes of the whole family sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner, possum police show up, knock on the door, and we spend the next hour going through coolers and checking tags and showing licenses and all the other bullshit. The cold, soggy dinner that was waiting for us was great, not to mention ruining the pleasant family gathering. They found nothing they could fine us for. Thanks guys, keep up the great work. I was maybe 15 at the time and that was my first encounter with them. Great first impression. Really showed me all the stories I’d heard were BS  |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 11:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 times in 3 days, deer hunting 15 yrs ago. I had the same gun, plug still in. Only 1 day I had a different gun, 1400 win. Asks me "got a plug in that?" No officer. He gets all excited, then finds out that a 1400 win only holds 2 shells in the tube. Wasn't so "jubilant" after that.  LOL that sounds like the NC Trooper who pulled me over for no seat belt he was very excited saying he was going to write me a ticket for not wearing my seat belt. When I pulled out my medical exemption he acted like he had lost his favorite pet. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 11:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enlighten us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I always find it funny just how many people in thousands of cop threads over the years STILL get it all wrong. Enlighten us. Pick up that can. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 11:57:39 PM EDT
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Got my license checked while bow hunting last fall. Dragging a dead deer out of the woods so he knew he had a license to check.
Checks me over and notices my 686 on my belt, tried to lecture me that I can't have a firearm while bow hunting. I explained that I have a carry permit, he says "Well, your carry permit still requires you to follow all other laws, and you can't have a firearm on you during bow season." I had to argue with him some more and explain three fucking times that the regulation book that his agency prints out and supplies says you can't have a firearm while bow hunting UNLESS YOU HAVE A VALID CARRY PERMIT. It still took the fucker 10 minutes to look it up and admit I was right. One thing's for sure, it was a damn good thing I was able to find my arrow and I hadn't cleaned the blood off of it or he'd have accused me of shooting the deer with the gun. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:03:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing that because that is a treaty (has an "international" facet invovled) it allows fish po-po to skirt the 4th? From what i know (little), treaties can be constitionally binding? That is the warning pro 2A orgs were talking about in regard to that international small arms treaty that our domestic commies are always desiring for the US to ratify. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land and is not over ruled by a treaty |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:08:57 AM EDT
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They investigated themselves and found no constitutional rights were violated.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:24:03 AM EDT
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I’ve heard of Missouri conservation agents going into peoples homes without warrants to check their freezers, we have possessions limits and labeling requirements for some stuff. I don’t know what the actual statute says but they’re often referred to as having “right of trespass”.
Personally I’ve never had an issue and the handful of encounters I’ve had have been uneventful. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:27:50 AM EDT
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I must be the outlier. I have never had a negative interaction with the ones in VA or NC. I do not hunt though, just fish and crab.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:34:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CAN YOU TELL THEM TO GET THE FUCK OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY ??? I think it depends on if the State your in uses the "Open Field Doctrine" or not. Some states have more restrictive laws that do define ones property as protected by the 4th Amendment. In those States, they have to have a reason to be on your property like witnessing a crime. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:43:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Open fields doctrine applies to all officers not just game wardens. If it’s not home and curtilage it’s probably open fields. Concept is as old as the common law itself. It's not a valid concept. The intent of the founding fathers was "possessions" is land. The Supreme Court royally fucked up the 4th Amendment with the bullshit Open Fields Doctrine. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:43:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's called the open fields doctrine. Wildlife officers can go onto private property to enforce wildlife laws. They cannot however enter your house without a warrant or permission. Think about it, if they couldn't venture onto private property it would be damn near impossible to enforce game laws, especially in states with very little public land. that is exactly how it should be |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:02:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was this guy's property fenced or not fenced? And was it posted no trespassing? I'm sure the laws differ by state, but I'm fairly certain here in Oklahoma you can have a deer feeder out all year long, and as long as you are on your own property (or have permission from owner) you don't even have to pull it down when you are hunting. Obviously you can't do that on the state's land. This is for anyone reading, if your property is fenced (5 lines barbed wire and t posts) and gated/locked, and posted no trespassing, and most of the property can not be seen from the road (40 acres or more), can the wardens come onto your property anytime? actually there was a recent bill in the OK house? about the ODWC ability to go on private land. big brewhaha's over it. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:24:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a lot of area between "unfettered" and whatever you'd call the current level of enforcement. You'd think they'd have learned in the last 100 years that the goal of conservation would be a lot easier to achieve if they partnered with the group that paid for it rather than acting like the BATFE's retarded step brother. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While there are elements of overreach with many game warden functions, without them you'd have rubes, mouth-breathers, and shitheads of all kinds killing everything that moves. For folks who don't care about hunting, I guess it's no big deal. I'm not a game hunter...pigs and predators for my choice. However, I guarantee that if unfettered, deer, game birds, fish of many species would be decimated. It ain't a perfect solution, but without some form of game management and enforcement it would get pretty bad. You'd think they'd have learned in the last 100 years that the goal of conservation would be a lot easier to achieve if they partnered with the group that paid for it rather than acting like the BATFE's retarded step brother. This right here!! |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:41:26 AM EDT
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My grandfather worked for the county conservation dept. and hated the DEC, they were relatively new in NY at the time I think they were formed in the 70's. He worked at a wildlife management area and more or less did the same job as the DEC + maintenance, and land development work before they came around. He told me a story that one time he was with a DEC Officer and they came across a guy taking a piss in the woods after finishing up duck hunting, he had his shotgun on the tailgate of his truck, the guy looks over his shoulder and says "Hey guys, I'll be with you in a moment." My grandfather said he watched the DEC officer pick up a shell off the tailgate and slip it into the tube of the guys shotgun, The guy comes over and the DEC Officer asked him if his shotgun was unloaded, guy says "Of course" DEC officer takes the shotgun and racks it a couple times and the shell comes flying out, the hunter looked dumbfounded and the DEC officer writes him a ticket for having a loaded weapon in a vehicle. My grandfather went to his boss to report it after it happened and his boss basically said "I can't do anything about it, it would be your word against his." My grandfather never worked with, or helped out any DEC officers after that, He also warned me not to leave my gun and ammo on a tailgate, leaning against a vehicle, or on the trunk of a car out of my sight because of dirty shit like that.
My grandfather said when the county guys were enforcing game laws, basically if you weren't a dick or weren't blatantly breaking the law they'd let a lot of shit slide and just give you a warning, or if you were a dick they'd call the cops and ban you from coming back to the WMA. I've had one DEC guy ask for my fishing license once I showed it to him and he said thank you and went away, I don't keep anything, I just catch and release so he didn't really have anything to jam me up over. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:49:29 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fish Cops have far worse than that . I lost respect for them decades ago . gd I know, I hate them. They always bug my friend who's a starfish when we're out trying to pick up squirrels! |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:50:14 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s called the open fields doctrine. Wildlife officers can go onto private property to enforce wildlife laws. They cannot however enter your house without a warrant or permission. Think about it, if they couldn’t venture onto private property it would be damn near impossible to enforce game laws, especially in states with very little public land. Don't care how much harder it makes their job, open fields doctrine is fucking horseshit. Unless you can articulate a exigency to protect life or have some other DAMN GOOD reason, fuck off. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:58:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve heard of Missouri conservation agents going into peoples homes without warrants to check their freezers, we have possessions limits and labeling requirements for some stuff. I don’t know what the actual statute says but they’re often referred to as having “right of trespass”. Personally I’ve never had an issue and the handful of encounters I’ve had have been uneventful. If it was after 1945, they were breaking the law 2. He may search, without warrant, any creel, container, gamebag, hunting coat, or boat in which he has reason to believe wildlife is unlawfully possessed or concealed; and at any and all times may seize any wildlife in the possession or control of any person violating or who there is good reason to believe has violated this law or any of the rules or regulations of the commission; provided, however, that he shall first obtain a search warrant to enter and search an occupied dwelling and outbuildings immediately adjacent thereto, cold storage locker plant, motor vehicle, or sealed freight or express car for such purposes and then only in the daytime, and in the search of a cold storage locker plant every precaution shall be exercised to prevent contamination of foods stored therein. Any circuit judge, or associate circuit judge having jurisdiction, shall issue to such agent, sheriff, or marshal, a search warrant upon his complaint being made on oath in writing that the affiant has reasonable and probable cause to believe that wildlife is possessed or concealed in such occupied dwellings and outbuildings immediately adjacent thereto, cold storage locker plant, motor vehicle, or sealed freight or express car contrary to this law or to any such rules and regulations. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:26:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally only have had one interaction with a game warden. Done fishing for the day, loaded the boat, still on the ramp tying up and he wants to do an inspection. It's 34* and there are 5-6 boats waiting for me to move. I ask him to let me move so they can load. "If you so much as move toward that truck you're going to jail." Just plain as that. I point to the warden and throw up my hands while he inspects. The waiting boats pull up, get out, and go to get their trucks and trailers to get in line. I have everything in order so he got nothing on me and now he's pissed. He then proceeds to move his truck out of my way, only to find 3 flat tires and one quickly going flat. He had to move that truck on four flats to unplug the ramp. Nobody saw a thing. The fish cops love it , they aren't humping calls but have supreme authority more than the guys humping calls. I'd love to see fish cops fight it out with ego driven local cops...that'd be a helluva bodycam video I've met some NYS DEC cops. Boy almighty, they sure do like to view themselves as rulers of the land. I've seen some shit before but these guys are like FBI of the state lands, more power than the state police too. It used to be that if you weren't fuckin around, police wouldn't bother ya, everyone goes on their merry way....lol not today! |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:40:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:41:13 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pick up that can. I hadn't thought about it in a long time but when I was a kid I actually did see the local grouper troopers tell my friend's dad to fish a floating beer can out of the river and take it with us. Probably what led that friend to grow up and fall into a life of crime. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:55:10 AM EDT
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The problem with fish cops is they spend too much time on trivial matters
We have more important matters such as Transgender fish  https://www.google.com/search?q=transgener+fish&oq=transgener+fish |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Institute for Justice has some good reading on this and is suing the state of TN https://ij.org/press-release/new-lawsuit-asks-whether-state-agents-can-trespass-and-place-cameras-on-private-land-in-tennessee/ Quote HistoryQuoted: The Institute for Justice has some good reading on this and is suing the state of TN https://ij.org/press-release/new-lawsuit-asks-whether-state-agents-can-trespass-and-place-cameras-on-private-land-in-tennessee/ Camden, Tenn. Terry Rainwaters lives, farms and hunts on the 136 acres he owns along the Big Sandy River in rural Tennessee. It’s clear that the farm is private property, with a “no trespassing” sign on the gate. Yet agents of the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA) ignored that warning, entering his property to set up and retrieve cameras that they used to watch for hunting violations. Now, Terry and another property owner, Hunter Hollingsworth, are teaming up with the Institute for Justice (IJ) to sue the TWRA, asking the court to protect their right—and the rights of all Tennesseans—not to be subject to warrantless searches. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:07:17 AM EDT
[#43]
Edited ~ Bollocks44
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Posted: 3/1/2022 9:05:31 AM EDT
[#44]
Grouper Troopers.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 9:45:21 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah...that's really curtailed the drug problem. Just like many laws, they're more intended to make more people into criminals than they are to actually do something about the 'real' criminals.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s called the open fields doctrine. Wildlife officers can go onto private property to enforce wildlife laws. They cannot however enter your house without a warrant or permission. Think about it, if they couldn’t venture onto private property it would be damn near impossible to enforce game laws, especially in states with very little public land. Think about it, if the cops couldn't search your property, it would be hard to enforce drug laws. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/421749520922181632/sCkykwNf_400x400.jpeg Yeah...that's really curtailed the drug problem. Just like many laws, they're more intended to make more people into criminals than they are to actually do something about the 'real' criminals.I was being sarcastic. I should edit to read "search without warrant or 4th amendment protections". |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 9:56:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And I find it not funny, how, in a thread full of stories about law abiding fellow gun owners getting corruptly shafted by cops, you can't find a shred of sympathy for any of them and instead just show up to belittle them. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that make up shit and refuse to learn the truth. Interesting. Quoted: The job was properly done in the apartment. Armed murderer got shot. Think of all the time and tedious court appearances saved. No way to stop that burn. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:13:49 AM EDT
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Years ago I was fishing one of the local Ozark rivers and a fish cop came out of the bushes on the other side of the river. He started asking all sorts of accusational questions about how many fish I had kept then this fat fuck waded across the river in full uniform to check my fishing license
I hate the taste of most fish, I am 100% catch and release. Hope his gear didn't mold. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:34:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:13:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've met some NYS DEC cops. Boy almighty, they sure do like to view themselves as rulers of the land. I've seen some shit before but these guys are like FBI of the state lands, more power than the state police too. It used to be that if you weren't fuckin around, police wouldn't bother ya, everyone goes on their merry way....lol not today! Back in the ‘90s the DEC cops were who our PD called when they wanted to look around auto repair places they suspected of being chop shops. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 7:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: actually there was a recent bill in the OK house? about the ODWC ability to go on private land. big brewhaha's over it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was this guy's property fenced or not fenced? And was it posted no trespassing? I'm sure the laws differ by state, but I'm fairly certain here in Oklahoma you can have a deer feeder out all year long, and as long as you are on your own property (or have permission from owner) you don't even have to pull it down when you are hunting. Obviously you can't do that on the state's land. This is for anyone reading, if your property is fenced (5 lines barbed wire and t posts) and gated/locked, and posted no trespassing, and most of the property can not be seen from the road (40 acres or more), can the wardens come onto your property anytime? actually there was a recent bill in the OK house? about the ODWC ability to go on private land. big brewhaha's over it. OK SB1709 I think was it, looks like it failed in committee. Do you have a cliff's notes on what it was? |
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