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Posted: 1/19/2023 3:37:32 PM EDT
I've seen them set up with a table at larger gun shows. I've been told they even present seminars. I only ask because with all the Arfcommers and manufacturers/dealers that seem to attend, why can't someone stroll over to their table and point-blank ask the burning question(s) that are causing so much angst here?
I should imagine that if the tax-free registration is just a ploy to get people to incriminate themselves, then shouldn't all these manufacturers and dealers be concerned about being busted for selling "illegal SBRs" (in the guise of braced pistols) during the 120 day period? How about just asking the designated ATF minion "many people affected by this ruling think..., is this true?" I realize the ATF could always claim any statement they make in front of witnesses or on camera is "inoperative" (thank you Ron Zeigler), but it might stop a little bit of the name calling and bad blood here. So yes, this is in fact another brace thread. |
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They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well
My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially |
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Gotta get leads on whose rights they are going to violate, get some addresses for dog shootings and see who they can set up on SBR deals so they can kill their spouses or burn their houses down. All in a day’s work.
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ATF at SHOT Show first few seconds:
Sot show day 4! IWI, Stag, Beretta, Taurus, Rossi |
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Quoted: They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially View Quote What does he mean by one kind though. They didn’t only approve one design, that’s for sure. |
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Years back their booth was the target of constant sticker placements. Every time I walked by they were trying to scrape new stickers of various "interesting" designs off their booth, lol.
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Quoted: What does he mean by one kind though. They didn’t only approve one design, that’s for sure. View Quote @opie_in_the_smokies is his insta handle if you want to see it for yourself I mean what sort of answers are you expecting from mid level at best ATF reps. I think he started with well it is what it is |
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Quoted: They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially View Quote So? The law used to be 18" minimum barrel length for rifles, but then lots of M1 Carbines we're imported, so they changed it 16". They've far exceeded that mistake now. The rifle barrel stuff is arbitrary anyway. They need to unfuck themselves. |
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Quoted: They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially View Quote I hope to fuck that's the argument they go with in court. Plenty of documentation for multiple approved brace models. It didn't spiral out of control, they controlled the spiral at every turn. |
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Should have told them no one ordered blow jobs so they came leave. And yes I would have said that to their face. And no I'm not a badass,just sick of their shit.
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I imagine that’s not an assignment that gets many willing volunteers.
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Next year I’d be in for a hundred bucks if someone wants to organize Taco Bell strafing runs on their desk, videotaped of course.
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/35914D8D-2A98-4C34-8768-F5FE9C8B1215-2677238.jpg I snapped a pic of their booth yesterday. They were cordial enough. View Quote Can you imagine being an agent and getting stuck with that job? Ted: we need you go sit in front of your laptop at a folding table for 12 hours/day at a convention where the majority of the attendees wish you harm and death, solely because of the agency you represent. Your per diem is $118/day |
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If they came to the shows around here I'd be tempted to go with an SBR with a brace on it.
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Quoted: What does he mean by one kind though. They didn’t only approve one design, that’s for sure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially What does he mean by one kind though. They didn’t only approve one design, that’s for sure. I think what Mr. ATF man is saying is we gave you peons an inch and you took a mile. So now we’re gonna have to press that boot into your neck just a little bit harder. No hard feelings though. |
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View Quote I’d like an embroidered version of that! |
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View Quote This reply looks interesting: |
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Yes, you will get straight truthful answers at the gun show. Answers you can bet your life (and your family and dog’s life) on.
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Quoted: This reply looks interesting: https://i.ibb.co/vdWk92C/Screenshot-2023-01-19-at-15-17-59-Stephen-on-Twitter.png View Quote Not surprising. There is definitely something fishy about what they are attempting. |
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Does BATFE have booth babes at SHOT show? Don’t call them ATF they like that. Makes them sound like a 3 letter agency.
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Quoted: This reply looks interesting: https://i.ibb.co/vdWk92C/Screenshot-2023-01-19-at-15-17-59-Stephen-on-Twitter.png View Quote |
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Quoted: Well Sparky what's your solution? Because nothing over the last 15 to 20 years is working with the ATF. So they need to be wiped clean by the wrath God View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That's a realistic solution to our problem. Well Sparky what's your solution? Because nothing over the last 15 to 20 years is working with the ATF. So they need to be wiped clean by the wrath God My solution is to act like an adult, confront them when possible in a public forum, document their positions and answers, share those through as many social media platforms as possible and try to involve as many friendly elected officials as possible. It seems like SHOT might be a great venue to do that. Futile? Maybe, but at least it isn't acting like a petulant child babbling about the wrath of God. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/35914D8D-2A98-4C34-8768-F5FE9C8B1215-2677238.jpg I snapped a pic of their booth yesterday. They were cordial enough. View Quote Should ask them what their Arfcom screen names are. |
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They have a list that can be accessed on shot show site. You can find the tablelocations on the floor maps for the levels.
https://n1b.goexposoftware.com/events/ss23/goExpo/exhibitor/listExhibitorProfiles.php |
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They should have been booted out of there long ago. The gun manufacturers need to pressure NSSF to get them the F out.
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The booth is where the ones working the glory hole go to take a break.
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ATF is there but SIG is not. John Farnam's take on the show so far ...
https://defense-training.com/2023-shot-show-range-day/ https://defense-training.com/2023-shot-show-first-day/ https://defense-training.com/shot-show-second-day-2/ |
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Quoted: Never been to SHOT...does the atf booth look like this? https://i.postimg.cc/wj7Sr5rB/standard.jpg View Quote Theirs is a little different. It’s got a hole cut in the side at about waist height……..for reasons. If you’re going to shot ask them what they use that hole for |
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Yes.
A few years back, someone slapped stickers of Paul Walker and Vin Diesel on their table, right over the logo. The year after, someone cut a glory hole in their table. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/35914D8D-2A98-4C34-8768-F5FE9C8B1215-2677238.jpg I snapped a pic of their booth yesterday. They were cordial enough. View Quote Of course they are. They are from the government. They are here to help you... |
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Hell, they have booths at the Orlando gun show for fuck's sake. Of course they're gonna have booths at SHOT show.
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