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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a realistic solution to our problem.  No shit! What a waste of gas. 25 miles worth should do it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My solution is to act like an adult, confront them when possible in a public forum, document their positions and answers, share those through as many social media platforms as possible and try to involve as many friendly elected officials as possible. It seems like SHOT might be a great venue to do that. Futile? Maybe, but at least it isn't acting like a petulant child babbling about the wrath of God. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a realistic solution to our problem. Well Sparky what's your solution? Because nothing over the last 15 to 20 years is working with the ATF. So they need to be wiped clean by the wrath God My solution is to act like an adult, confront them when possible in a public forum, document their positions and answers, share those through as many social media platforms as possible and try to involve as many friendly elected officials as possible. It seems like SHOT might be a great venue to do that. Futile? Maybe, but at least it isn't acting like a petulant child babbling about the wrath of God. You want to go right ahead knock yourself out. Acting like an adult with them hasn't worked has it? They continue to rewrite the rules that they approved years ago. They don't listen to any comments or points that you make. They don't care....the rank and file and the leadership of the ATF are anti-gun top to bottom and they don't give a shit what we think, they don't give a shit about the points we make. Has any of the points that people have brought up and I was one of them during the comment sections of things like 41p, bump stocks and braces have worked at all? No it hasn't. We have no friends in the elected officials. They don't care. If the Republicans gave a shit when they were in power they would have reeled the ATF in years ago. But they didn't. I have tried to engage the ATF agents personally about concerns that I had about the way they change things arbitrarily and interpreted things differently after interpreting them one way. They used to have a booth every year in Louisville Kentucky at the big gun show there. Every year I would engage them every year they would say- here's a pamphlet if you have any concerns you can write or call. The bottom line is they don't care about what we say, what we think, what points we make and whatever social media we pontificate on. I get what you're saying I really do. And I'm not trying to bust your chops. But all the comments all of the emails all of the engagement whether in person or on social media ain't working |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No shit! What a waste of gas. 25 miles worth should do it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's a realistic solution to our problem. No shit! What a waste of gas. 25 miles worth should do it.  I was just making sure |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like an embroidered version of that!  Should be a fundraiser... But what about this... Stephen @Stambo2A · 3h Replying to @Stambo2A Delivered at 9:55 this morning. Oh by the way, a disapproved form 1 for a braced pistol “will result in an enforcement action”. Even for “open background” denial after 88 days |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFucking garand thumb. 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 7:44:45 PM EDT
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This needs to be posted in every thread talking about filing amnesty Form 1's. This is crazy.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 7:46:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck the ATF. Defund the bastards and then put everybody who's worked for the ATF on airplanes with just enough fuel to get them 100 miles off the coast of the United States. What do you have against perfectly good airplanes? A big ass catapult should work just fine. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:41:20 PM EDT
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They set up at the Wanenmacher gun show as well.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well Sparky what's your solution? Because nothing over the last 15 to 20 years is working with the ATF. So they need to be wiped clean by the wrath God You are certainly nicer about it than I am. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:08:02 PM EDT
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Looks like lots of boot lickers and rats being cordial and friendly with the traitorous scumbags. Pathetic. The gun industry is all about police and government contracts. Fuck the Second Amendment rights of citizens.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, they have booths at the Orlando gun show for fuck's sake. Of course they're gonna have booths at SHOT show. I'll see them next week at Tampa. Maybe I'll ask about all the braced ARs there |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:13:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Nolo is awesome. 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:15:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:16:55 PM EDT
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There are also undercover agents. And that’s not conspiracy. Maybe not ATF, but federal agents do attend plainclothes.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:23:35 PM EDT
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They do, and people walk past and make fun of them the entire time.
You'll see some random old lady walk past and go "babykillers!" |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:58:11 PM EDT
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Yes, and they are very polite, professional, and helpful.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and they are very polite, professional, and helpful. Yes they will help you right out of your freedoms and life if told to do so. Fuck them one and all. If they want to help they can go raid the projects in Chicago where the real criminals live.But that would require balls. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/35914D8D-2A98-4C34-8768-F5FE9C8B1215-2677238.jpg I snapped a pic of their booth yesterday. They were cordial enough.  Now there is a hive of scum and villainy. They play the part very well. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:48:56 PM EDT
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I've seen them at many gun shows. I always make a point to stop by and tell them how lonely they look.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should ask them what their Arfcom screen names are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/35914D8D-2A98-4C34-8768-F5FE9C8B1215-2677238.jpg I snapped a pic of their booth yesterday. They were cordial enough. Should ask them what their Arfcom screen names are. "Greetings, fellow infringement enthusiasts" |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:52:09 PM EDT
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Yes. It’s where you go to crop dust.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/35914D8D-2A98-4C34-8768-F5FE9C8B1215-2677238.jpg I snapped a pic of their booth yesterday. They were cordial enough. Everyone needs to shun those fuck. Every. Single. Year. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are also undercover agents. And that’s not conspiracy. Maybe not ATF, but federal agents do attend plainclothes. There is undercover ATF at Wanenmacher too, had one inquire about a gun I was walking around with for sale, he looked like a fed, i later saw him behind the ATF table on the upper level. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:00:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and they are very polite, professional, and helpful. They will kill you, and your family and burn your house down without a second thought. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially They definitely approved more then one kind. There was this one company that churned out a bunch of different braces with no approval letters. That company had a lot of defenders on this site. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:06:35 PM EDT
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Everyone should be making them as uncomfortable as a white guy in the south side of Chicago
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Every year I've been. Same. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:17:00 PM EDT
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I’ve seen them at their booths at the SHOT shows that I have attended, no big deal.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:53:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, they have booths at the Orlando gun show for fuck's sake. Of course they're gonna have booths at SHOT show. I should have remembered that subtlety is lost on GD. The "do they have a booth" was a rhetorical question to set up the real question: If the "free" registration and 120 day registration period is just a ploy to dupe people into admitting that they are in possession of an "illegal SBR", then why isn't the ATF busting all of those manufacturers and dealers for selling "illegal SBRs?" |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 12:17:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I should have remembered that subtlety is lost on GD. The "do they have a booth" was a rhetorical question to set up the real question: If the "free" registration and 120 day registration period is just a ploy to dupe people into admitting that they are in possession of an "illegal SBR", then why isn't the ATF busting all of those manufacturers and dealers for selling "illegal SBRs?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hell, they have booths at the Orlando gun show for fuck's sake. Of course they're gonna have booths at SHOT show. I should have remembered that subtlety is lost on GD. The "do they have a booth" was a rhetorical question to set up the real question: If the "free" registration and 120 day registration period is just a ploy to dupe people into admitting that they are in possession of an "illegal SBR", then why isn't the ATF busting all of those manufacturers and dealers for selling "illegal SBRs?" Most manufacturers can legally make all of the SBRs that they want. They are not transferring them to non licensees at SHOT. Not to say that a braced pistol is an SBR, though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 1:40:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So? The law used to be 18" minimum barrel length for rifles, but then lots of M1 Carbines we're imported, so they changed it 16". They've far exceeded that mistake now. The rifle barrel stuff is arbitrary anyway. They need to unfuck themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They there with a booth and I think they had a seminar as well My buddy went up and asked them on camera, dude basically said well we approved one kind and it spiraled out of control into SBR territory; essentially So? The law used to be 18" minimum barrel length for rifles, but then lots of M1 Carbines we're imported, so they changed it 16". They've far exceeded that mistake now. The rifle barrel stuff is arbitrary anyway. They need to unfuck themselves. I've heard that before but it's not the reason. M1 carbine has an 18 in barrel. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 1:40:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This reply looks interesting: https://i.ibb.co/vdWk92C/Screenshot-2023-01-19-at-15-17-59-Stephen-on-Twitter.png You know who that is don't you? |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 1:43:16 AM EDT
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Walk up and ask “how many cocks do you have to suck to be an ATF agent?”
If they answer zero, reply “oh. You just love sucking dick” Any number between 1-infinity “yeah, you definitely got hired” |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 1:44:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and they are very polite, professional, and helpful. Their existence is against everything this country stands for. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:43:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does he mean by one kind though. They didn’t only approve one design, that’s for sure. The best selling ones, like SBA3, never had approval letters. |
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