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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:39:14 PM EST
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And people mocked the Army for not putting AC in the Stryker except for a few select variants. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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109 core temp? 
His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. I don't know. I treated a guy that hit 107. He was doing pt, a normal day not a kill you day. I was told - by the guys in his squad, all of whom I trust- that he was as ok as anyone else. He was the last guy in the file, and stumbled. He was apparently out then. The guys carried him at a run back to the aid station where we took over. 1st thermometer said 107. We didn't believe it, so we got a different one. 107 again. I think we had him down to 102 by the time the ambulance arrived. I don't know if he had been sick or what, or if he had gone out drinking the night before. I know he didn't smell like booze. His squad leader was a great squad leader. As in, if my boys ever join the military, I'd hope and want they had a squad leader like him. He (the squad leader) told me he looked and acted fine. Right up until he didn't. So maybe this particular case was preventable, but maybe it wasn't. That said, our guy actually had no residual effects but he almost certainly would have died had good care been delayed much more. I saw similar stuff when I was on active duty. One minute, the guy is fine, hydrating the way he's supposed to, and the next, he's down and out with a friggin' needle in his arm. And, in my observation, a lot of this seems to happen when there are constant transitions between AC and high heat/humidity. I think there's something to the whole thing with people's bodies getting used to AC, and then going outside. I'd rather run the car with no AC, windows open, especially when I'm working outside. Going from 60 degrees to 100 with high humidity can really screw you up, and I think some people's bodies just can't handle the transition very well. And people mocked the Army for not putting AC in the Stryker except for a few select variants. Kharn To a degree, I think they were right, but... The interior of an armored vehicle can get way hotter than the exterior ambient temperature. At a minimum, the interior of that vehicle should be cooled to the outside ambient temps, and maybe a few degrees cooler. Start talking "70 degrees interior/125 exterior", though, and I think you've got issues coming. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:40:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Daughter finished BMT at Lackland A F B last October. All she told us, is how much hot water they were made to drink. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Having been the guy behind the guy in line for chow who fell out with heat stroke at Benning in basic training, I can relate. So sad and utterly preventable  Our guy made it because we had to haul around coolers with ice, water and iced sheets EVERYWHERE and the Drill Sgt's were on top of it immediately. His core temp spiked at 105.3. This was July in Georgia and week 1 of basic. He was never the same and was granted a medical discharge after our rotation was through. Drink water, drink water, drink water! It's a no-BS way to prevent this. My Daughter finished BMT at Lackland A F B last October. All she told us, is how much hot water they were made to drink. God forbid anyone use the drinking fountain outside the latrine for cold water! We lost potable water on base the full day we did the gas chamber (end of July) due to some contamination, that sucked ... We had several trainees pass out from hydration issues in my flight and one go into seizures twice during the cycle. No one really ever seemed to be reprimanded over it. The kid who had seizures they ended up figuring out after the second seizure was starving himself for some unknown reason. One female walking onto the troop bridge also fell out hard towards the end of basic from hydration issues. Seemed like a fairly common occurrence even if people were being told to drink one to two canteens per hour. If there were salt stains on their blouses they were usually told to take two of the powerades (or gatorades?) from the chow hall during meals. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:47:53 PM EST
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Sorry to hear OP
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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:57:51 PM EST
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Sorry to hear OP . This thread kinda scares me since my son will be going to Fort Bennings,Georgia in mid July for his basic.Basic training and OSUT are some of the most rigidly controlled and safest environments out there. It will still be warm, but the quart an hour and eat to gain nutrients/electrolytes will be pushed. If someone is feeling woozy, I'm sure some ice sheets and a rectal thermometer will come before the jab for the IV. Tell your boy to avoid having the Army stick anything up his ass. He should drink water, eat good food, and sleep when he can in order to stay healthy. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:59:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basic training and OSUT are some of the most rigidly controlled and safest environments out there. It will still be warm, but the quart an hour and eat to gain nutrients/electrolytes will be pushed. If someone is feeling woozy, I'm sure some ice sheets and a rectal thermometer will come before the jab for the IV. Tell your boy to avoid having the Army stick anything up his ass. He should drink water, eat good food, and sleep when he can in order to stay healthy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry to hear OP . This thread kinda scares me since my son will be going to Fort Bennings,Georgia in mid July for his basic.Basic training and OSUT are some of the most rigidly controlled and safest environments out there. It will still be warm, but the quart an hour and eat to gain nutrients/electrolytes will be pushed. If someone is feeling woozy, I'm sure some ice sheets and a rectal thermometer will come before the jab for the IV. Tell your boy to avoid having the Army stick anything up his ass. He should drink water, eat good food, and sleep when he can in order to stay healthy. http://rectalrehydration.com/faq/ |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:01:23 PM EST
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yes that works too
Don't let anyone stick something up your ass. Stay healthy and hydrated. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:03:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yes that works too Don't let anyone stick something up your ass. Stay healthy and hydrated. TSgt to trainee ... "If you fall out one more time because you refuse to properly hydrate I am going to make sure you are given anal rehydration." Pretty much the topic of discussion for a good solid day until we could decide this must be a real thing!  |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:03:48 PM EST
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Wow.. lucky enough to get an 11b slot, worked so hard to drop all that dead weight, passed OSUT and keeled over afterwards.
I'm getting ready for OSUT next month, I've never had problems in the heat but regardless of what the DSs say I'm gonna watch myself and my buddies. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:20:58 PM EST
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Wow.. lucky enough to get an 11b slot, worked so hard to drop all that dead weight, passed OSUT and keeled over afterwards.
I'm getting ready for OSUT next month, I've never had problems in the heat but regardless of what the DSs say I'm gonna watch myself and my buddies. Turn off the AC now and you'll be fine by next month. Or dead. One or the other. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:23:50 PM EST
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Turn off the AC now and you'll be fine by next month. Or dead. One or the other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow.. lucky enough to get an 11b slot, worked so hard to drop all that dead weight, passed OSUT and keeled over afterwards.
I'm getting ready for OSUT next month, I've never had problems in the heat but regardless of what the DSs say I'm gonna watch myself and my buddies. Turn off the AC now and you'll be fine by next month. Or dead. One or the other. Judging from his avatar, he might enjoy the rectal thermometer. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:25:49 PM EST
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What kind of idiot drinks warm soda?  That sticky shit in a camelback? Shit, he could have froze it full of something not full of caffeine and carbonation like kool-ade. I freeze Nalgenes with kool-ade and take hiking, they are good to go after a few hours.
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Well some people are getting relieved for that. Who would be getting busted for this? If he kept his mouth shut, didn't complain, and pushed through as much as he could, how would they have known? As I said, I wasn't in the military so I have no idea how these things work. he had finished training and reported to his unit. Team leader and squad leader should keep an eye on the newbs to make sure they are drinking enough. sometimes you go out for training with what is on you and youngsters will try to save their water. i did it once when I was AG in the hills. It was a long hump. the walker was scared shitless because a few of us fell out and it was his idea to do 12K rough terrain with no water resupply and only 2 1 quarts. You also have to make sure it's water in their camelbaks/canteens and not soda. We had one guy turn in to a heat casualty and when we opened his camelback it was full of dr pepper. What kind of idiot drinks warm soda? That sticky shit in a camelback? Shit, he could have froze it full of something not full of caffeine and carbonation like kool-ade. I freeze Nalgenes with kool-ade and take hiking, they are good to go after a few hours.
If you must carry something flavored to drink for hot weather activities, they make this shit with electrolytes just for that too, I think it's called GATORADE! And when I carry Gatorade, it's no more than every third or second drink, too much salt to drink exclusively. I saw a study on heat injuries for heavy outdoor activity on hot days (fire service) and their recommendation was water the first two hours 2 qts or more water & 1 qt half strength Gatorade hours 3-4 alternate 1 qt water and 1 qt half strength Gatorade from there Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:41:12 PM EST
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I saw similar stuff when I was on active duty. One minute, the guy is fine, hydrating the way he's supposed to, and the next, he's down and out with a friggin' needle in his arm. And, in my observation, a lot of this seems to happen when there are constant transitions between AC and high heat/humidity. I think there's something to the whole thing with people's bodies getting used to AC, and then going outside. I'd rather run the car with no AC, windows open, especially when I'm working outside. Going from 60 degrees to 100 with high humidity can really screw you up, and I think some people's bodies just can't handle the transition very well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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109 core temp?
His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. I don't know. I treated a guy that hit 107. He was doing pt, a normal day not a kill you day. I was told - by the guys in his squad, all of whom I trust- that he was as ok as anyone else. He was the last guy in the file, and stumbled. He was apparently out then. The guys carried him at a run back to the aid station where we took over. 1st thermometer said 107. We didn't believe it, so we got a different one. 107 again. I think we had him down to 102 by the time the ambulance arrived. I don't know if he had been sick or what, or if he had gone out drinking the night before. I know he didn't smell like booze. His squad leader was a great squad leader. As in, if my boys ever join the military, I'd hope and want they had a squad leader like him. He (the squad leader) told me he looked and acted fine. Right up until he didn't. So maybe this particular case was preventable, but maybe it wasn't. That said, our guy actually had no residual effects but he almost certainly would have died had good care been delayed much more. I saw similar stuff when I was on active duty. One minute, the guy is fine, hydrating the way he's supposed to, and the next, he's down and out with a friggin' needle in his arm. And, in my observation, a lot of this seems to happen when there are constant transitions between AC and high heat/humidity. I think there's something to the whole thing with people's bodies getting used to AC, and then going outside. I'd rather run the car with no AC, windows open, especially when I'm working outside. Going from 60 degrees to 100 with high humidity can really screw you up, and I think some people's bodies just can't handle the transition very well. Used to work at Champion lumber mill in Camden Tx (piney woods area). The temp in there with all the pressure treated lumber, steam, very intense labor, and humid weather was sometimes over a hundred degrees and heat rash sticky.. Bad sumbitch and I've worked a few hot ones.. "In here," I told a just released TDCJ inmate one time, "you better know what heat exhaustion/stroke is and what it feels like coming on." I don't think he made it through the first week, more like a couple days.. Might have been a little smarter than some of us you never know. 
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:49:22 PM EST
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Ohw0rd, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend
 . Sounds like he was a fine, dedicated, and caring young man. I can tell by your pictures of him he worked his butt off to get into shape. It gets darn hot at Campbell, to the point we would stop outside training sometimes when the temperature would get around a 100 degrees or over from what I remember. His story and passing makes me sad for you and his family.
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:49:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Used to work at Champion lumber mill in Camden Tx (piney woods area). The temp in there with all the pressure treated lumber, steam, very intense labor, and humid weather was sometimes over a hundred degrees and heat rash sticky.. Bad sumbitch. "In here," I told a just released TDCJ inmate one time, "you better know what heat exhaustion/stroke is and what it feels like coming on." I don't think he made it through the first week, more like a couple days.. Might have been a little smarter than some of us you never know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Damn. Rip soldier. Quoted: 109 core temp? His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. I don't know. I treated a guy that hit 107. He was doing pt, a normal day not a kill you day. I was told - by the guys in his squad, all of whom I trust- that he was as ok as anyone else. He was the last guy in the file, and stumbled. He was apparently out then. The guys carried him at a run back to the aid station where we took over. 1st thermometer said 107. We didn't believe it, so we got a different one. 107 again. I think we had him down to 102 by the time the ambulance arrived. I don't know if he had been sick or what, or if he had gone out drinking the night before. I know he didn't smell like booze. His squad leader was a great squad leader. As in, if my boys ever join the military, I'd hope and want they had a squad leader like him. He (the squad leader) told me he looked and acted fine. Right up until he didn't. So maybe this particular case was preventable, but maybe it wasn't. That said, our guy actually had no residual effects but he almost certainly would have died had good care been delayed much more. I saw similar stuff when I was on active duty. One minute, the guy is fine, hydrating the way he's supposed to, and the next, he's down and out with a friggin' needle in his arm. And, in my observation, a lot of this seems to happen when there are constant transitions between AC and high heat/humidity. I think there's something to the whole thing with people's bodies getting used to AC, and then going outside. I'd rather run the car with no AC, windows open, especially when I'm working outside. Going from 60 degrees to 100 with high humidity can really screw you up, and I think some people's bodies just can't handle the transition very well. Used to work at Champion lumber mill in Camden Tx (piney woods area). The temp in there with all the pressure treated lumber, steam, very intense labor, and humid weather was sometimes over a hundred degrees and heat rash sticky.. Bad sumbitch. "In here," I told a just released TDCJ inmate one time, "you better know what heat exhaustion/stroke is and what it feels like coming on." I don't think he made it through the first week, more like a couple days.. Might have been a little smarter than some of us you never know. I miss Champion mills ... fucking buyouts. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:51:18 PM EST
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109 core temp?
His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. I don't know. I treated a guy that hit 107. He was doing pt, a normal day not a kill you day. I was told - by the guys in his squad, all of whom I trust- that he was as ok as anyone else. He was the last guy in the file, and stumbled. He was apparently out then. The guys carried him at a run back to the aid station where we took over. 1st thermometer said 107. We didn't believe it, so we got a different one. 107 again. I think we had him down to 102 by the time the ambulance arrived. I don't know if he had been sick or what, or if he had gone out drinking the night before. I know he didn't smell like booze. His squad leader was a great squad leader. As in, if my boys ever join the military, I'd hope and want they had a squad leader like him. He (the squad leader) told me he looked and acted fine. Right up until he didn't. So maybe this particular case was preventable, but maybe it wasn't. That said, our guy actually had no residual effects but he almost certainly would have died had good care been delayed much more. I saw similar stuff when I was on active duty. One minute, the guy is fine, hydrating the way he's supposed to, and the next, he's down and out with a friggin' needle in his arm. And, in my observation, a lot of this seems to happen when there are constant transitions between AC and high heat/humidity. I think there's something to the whole thing with people's bodies getting used to AC, and then going outside. I'd rather run the car with no AC, windows open, especially when I'm working outside. Going from 60 degrees to 100 with high humidity can really screw you up, and I think some people's bodies just can't handle the transition very well. Used to work at Champion lumber mill in Camden Tx (piney woods area). The temp in there with all the pressure treated lumber, steam, very intense labor, and humid weather was sometimes over a hundred degrees and heat rash sticky.. Bad sumbitch. "In here," I told a just released TDCJ inmate one time, "you better know what heat exhaustion/stroke is and what it feels like coming on." I don't think he made it through the first week, more like a couple days.. Might have been a little smarter than some of us you never know.
I miss Champion mills ... fucking buyouts. Who's got them now? IM if possible. Thanks, Jim |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:51:39 PM EST
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Man...deepest condolences.
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Posted: 6/20/2015 10:53:59 PM EST
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Sorry to hear this OP.
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:01:30 PM EST
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109 core temp?
His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. +1 Shit, when I was a retail manager I made the cart pushers drink. Surely the military could do that. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:08:59 PM EST
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+1 Shit, when I was a retail manager I made the cart pushers drink. Surely the military could do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. +1 Shit, when I was a retail manager I made the cart pushers drink. Surely the military could do that. They do. Especially now. "Water discipline," except when necessary is probably not used in military training now as it once was. I say good, sloshing canteens or no.. 
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:12:28 PM EST
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What part of PA? ETA: looks like Erie by my googling. Sorry I am in SEPA. I doubt I can help with anything but will run. You and his family are in my thoughts and prayers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've emailed Striker to find out how I can go about setting up a charity 5k event post in GD. What part of PA? ETA: looks like Erie by my googling. Sorry I am in SEPA. I doubt I can help with anything but will run. You and his family are in my thoughts and prayers Yup, Erie. We have a tentative course planned along the lake, so it should be nice. I need to start looking into permits and insurance coverage for the race. I have some good connections for potential sponsorship, but am hoping to get some others to help out, even if it's just helping on race day with registration and stuff. Eventually we will need to design and have a shirt printed for participants and to also sell locally for additional funds (to donate). I'd like the shirt to be really cool so people actually wear them in the future and don't just toss them in a closet after the race. I'm really hoping the community can pull together and make it a great event in honor of Kyle. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:12:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who's got them now? IM if possible. Thanks, Jim Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I miss Champion mills ... fucking buyouts. Who's got them now? IM if possible. Thanks, Jim International Paper bought a lot of their paper mills, not sure about their lumber mills. Verso bought the coated side of Champions paper mills from IP. I know at least one of their paper mills that ended up going independent. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:13:27 PM EST
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He went out trying, he'd made it. Please don't blame yourself, he could have died sitting on a couch rather than living his dream....... This is the damn truth. He was giving it his best. So much better then most. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:16:49 PM EST
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TSgt to trainee ... "If you fall out one more time because you refuse to properly hydrate I am going to make sure you are given anal rehydration." Pretty much the topic of discussion for a good solid day until we could decide this must be a real thing!
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yes that works too Don't let anyone stick something up your ass. Stay healthy and hydrated. TSgt to trainee ... "If you fall out one more time because you refuse to properly hydrate I am going to make sure you are given anal rehydration." Pretty much the topic of discussion for a good solid day until we could decide this must be a real thing!
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:24:28 PM EST
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They are HUGE on heat casualty stuff, especially in schools, the instructors are supposed to be making sure the students are all drinking water and watching for early signs of heat stroke. I see he wasn't in school anymore which makes it a little more understandable but some people are still in some shit most likely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well some people are getting relieved for that. Who would be getting busted for this? If he kept his mouth shut, didn't complain, and pushed through as much as he could, how would they have known? As I said, I wasn't in the military so I have no idea how these things work. They are HUGE on heat casualty stuff, especially in schools, the instructors are supposed to be making sure the students are all drinking water and watching for early signs of heat stroke. I see he wasn't in school anymore which makes it a little more understandable but some people are still in some shit most likely. Yep. Was forced to chug two canteens of water every night before light out at MCRD San Diego in the summer. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:31:13 PM EST
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So unfair. A life like this should not be taken. Hard working, determined, and from the sounds of it an honest and decent human being. Yet scum that feed off the system and murder, rape, pillage get to live.
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:35:52 PM EST
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I hear the echos of CWs saying "Thermoregulation." |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:37:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He went out trying, he'd made it. Please don't blame yourself, he could have died sitting on a couch rather than living his dream....... |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:44:02 PM EST
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Well some people are getting relieved for that. Who would be getting busted for this? If he kept his mouth shut, didn't complain, and pushed through as much as he could, how would they have known? As I said, I wasn't in the military so I have no idea how these things work. They are HUGE on heat casualty stuff, especially in schools, the instructors are supposed to be making sure the students are all drinking water and watching for early signs of heat stroke. I see he wasn't in school anymore which makes it a little more understandable but some people are still in some shit most likely. Yep. Was forced to chug two canteens of water every night before light out at MCRD San Diego in the summer. I'll bet the head was busy all night too. Firewatch: "Hey shitbird, you gonna stand there and piss all night?" Shitbird: "I wanna stick my humongous tube-steak into your sister.." Firewatch: "How much chit money do you got left?"
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:46:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryWow. What a change. So sad. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 12:32:19 AM EST
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Well some people are getting relieved for that. Who would be getting busted for this? If he kept his mouth shut, didn't complain, and pushed through as much as he could, how would they have known? As I said, I wasn't in the military so I have no idea how these things work. They are HUGE on heat casualty stuff, especially in schools, the instructors are supposed to be making sure the students are all drinking water and watching for early signs of heat stroke. I see he wasn't in school anymore which makes it a little more understandable but some people are still in some shit most likely. Yep. Was forced to chug two canteens of water every night before light out at MCRD San Diego in the summer. What year? |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 12:48:59 AM EST
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I'm so sorry OP, that is truly sad .
I actually overheated a couple weeks ago. I pushed too hard and things went dark and I couldn't hear. I almost blacked out a few times on the way to the house before getting in a cold shower. I was WELL hydrated and my urine was was virtually clear but it didn't matter, it was just too hot for the amount of work I was doing. Reading this really drives home the seriousness of heat illnesses. Nothing like the feeling of someone slapping your face and telling you to stay awake. The look on their faces when I came to, scared me more than anything. At that point, where I was, I don't think I know if was going to be dead or care. There was absolutely nothing I could do except get slapped, and yelled at. Again, some rules may have been broken to get me "back", but here I am. Talk about being in the wrong place with the right trained and equipped people..... BTW, what is an "ice sheet". Old school here. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 12:55:10 AM EST
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Nothing like the feeling of someone slapping your face and telling you to stay awake. The look on their faces when I came to, scared me more than anything. At that point, where I was, I don't think I know if was going to be dead or care. There was absolutely nothing I could do except get slapped, and yelled at. Again, some rules may have been broken to get me "back", but here I am. Talk about being in the wrong place with the right trained people..... BTW, what is an "ice sheet". Old school here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm so sorry OP, that is truly sad .
I actually overheated a couple weeks ago. I pushed too hard and things went dark and I couldn't hear. I almost blacked out a few times on the way to the house before getting in a cold shower. I was WELL hydrated and my urine was was virtually clear but it didn't matter, it was just too hot for the amount of work I was doing. Reading this really drives home the seriousness of heat illnesses. Nothing like the feeling of someone slapping your face and telling you to stay awake. The look on their faces when I came to, scared me more than anything. At that point, where I was, I don't think I know if was going to be dead or care. There was absolutely nothing I could do except get slapped, and yelled at. Again, some rules may have been broken to get me "back", but here I am. Talk about being in the wrong place with the right trained people..... BTW, what is an "ice sheet". Old school here. Twin sheet soaked in ice water was always in the coolers when I was at Knox during the summer. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 12:58:37 AM EST
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I'm so sorry OP, that is truly sad .
I actually overheated a couple weeks ago. I pushed too hard and things went dark and I couldn't hear. I almost blacked out a few times on the way to the house before getting in a cold shower. I was WELL hydrated and my urine was was virtually clear but it didn't matter, it was just too hot for the amount of work I was doing. Reading this really drives home the seriousness of heat illnesses. Nothing like the feeling of someone slapping your face and telling you to stay awake. The look on their faces when I came to, scared me more than anything. At that point, where I was, I don't think I know if was going to be dead or care. There was absolutely nothing I could do except get slapped, and yelled at. Again, some rules may have been broken to get me "back", but here I am. Talk about being in the wrong place with the right trained people..... BTW, what is an "ice sheet". Old school here. Twin sheet soaked in ice water was always in the coolers when I was at Knox during the summer. You Army folks...  Living the dream. Actually a very good idea for out here. Thanks -
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Posted: 6/21/2015 1:19:26 AM EST
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So sorry to hear about this. Fort Campbell is so close to me and I am sorry I don't think of the guys and gals there & other camps enough. That will change from this day forward. Sorry. They are in our Thoughts & Prayers.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 1:25:02 AM EST
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Quote Historyman he did a good job losing the weight. he looks like a totally different person in the after pic. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 1:37:26 AM EST
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We got told yesterday that one of the new guys back in the rear died as a result of being a heat cat. I guess this must be him.
Really tragic and he sounds like a great guy. Lot of motivation. I wasn't told anything official but the grapevine mentioned an air assault ruck. I don't know a whole lot unfortunately being that everyone's busy and focused on redeployment right now. But I can try to pry for details if anyone wants. Unit's B. Co 2-327 for those who were asking. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 1:54:24 AM EST
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Sorry to hear
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Posted: 6/21/2015 1:59:03 AM EST
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Very sad. He could have saved a lot more lives out there. RIP.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 2:02:14 AM EST
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My bunk mate in boot camp had a heat stroke during the crusible. He literally was acting like a 2 year old and could not find his gear (he was sitting in it).
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Posted: 6/21/2015 2:13:27 AM EST
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Rest in peace. I'll keep his family and yours in my prayers. Yep,
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Posted: 6/21/2015 2:51:10 AM EST
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I would tend to lean toward this statement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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109 core temp?
His leaders (or lack of it) failed him. 100% preventable. I would tend to lean toward this statement. Me too, but if the guy has been undergoing substantial extreme metabolic changes (eg, massive weightloss, followed by the physical stress of OSUT/BCT, then into the field with his first unit as the newb stuck with the SAW or 240) Sometimes the system gets pushed too far too fast. If that's a stryker transmission that breaks it gets replaced. If its a human CNS that breaks your fucked. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 4:32:47 AM EST
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Thanks for helping the guy get into shape and realizing his dream.
You can drink too much water though also. We had a guy in AF basic training that died of something called hyponatremia. Its when you drink so much water, so quickly, that it flushes all the salt and electrolytes out of you blood and can be fatal. As this was 1991 or 1992 right after Gulf War I, the TIs at Lackland were a little overzealous in "forcing" the recruits to drink X amount of water in X amount of time with tragic results for one poor guy. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 4:43:09 AM EST
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holy shit man!
I'm sorry to hear that. Glad he accomplished his goal before that happened.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 4:56:21 AM EST
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Quote Historydamn, that guy worked his ass off! Hope he was damn proud of what he'd done |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 5:23:15 AM EST
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Wow.
I am sorry.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 5:37:47 AM EST
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Must have been extremely strong willed would have been someone I'd want by my side. When it comes to reaching my health goals I wish I had his mind over matter.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 5:46:32 AM EST
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Sorry to hear OP . This thread kinda scares me since my son will be going to Fort Bennings,Georgia in mid July for his basic.Mine's there right now. Odds are in your favor. Benning has been forging men out of boys for a century. It can happen, but he is in more risk of getting in an accident driving from the airport to the front gate. worry about shit you can control. because if you worry about the other stuff and your son is an infantryman, you are going to go insane. congrats on your son. fine choice. reflects well on his father.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 7:05:56 AM EST
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RIP, Brother.
FWIW, I saw some very hard chargers go down as heat casualties while I was in. Fortunately none died, but it was always something we kept a very close eye on. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 7:09:17 AM EST
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RIP.
That man knew how to work HARD. Respect. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 7:09:59 AM EST
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Sorry to hear that. Took a lot of dedication to transform himself to that extent.
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