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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:15:35 PM EDT
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How about scrapping corn fuel and give us back regular gas.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:42:22 PM EDT
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I don’t think this decision is going to make much of a difference. I’ve sat down with the heads of three of the Alabama OEM facilities and everyone of them said the same thing. They are too far down the road in development and investment to just stop the path towards better fuel efficiency. The introduction of new materials to light-weight vehicles, new engine tech, electric tech, etc. is still moving forward. It will allow them to throttle back expectations as the EPA targets were damn near impossible to hit, but the things they have been working on will get refined and implemented in product models moving forward. The introduction of electric vehicles has done more to further hybrid development than 100% EV development. Most cars produced in the next 20years will still be gas powered but with hybrid tech seeing strong emergence. This could however open the doors to other competition from afar from new manufacturers not yet in the US or models currently not sold in the US via Mehindra, Toyota (Hilux), etc. If you look at what a delete kit for a truck does its amazing if they just roll out of the factory like that it would be incredible. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:43:37 PM EDT
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Yep, now corn sqeezings need to be taken out of our gas.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:52:28 PM EDT
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How about scrapping corn fuel and give us back regular gas. Aside from decreasing fuel economy and adding to the cost it also fucks up small engines. End the farm welfare that is ethanol. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:55:19 PM EDT
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Curious.. what are the negatives for consumers for higher gas milage standards? How is this a win for us? There are already vehicles whose fuel efficiency meets or exceeds that threshold. Since consumers aren’t buying those vehicles exclusively, we can surmise that they tend to prefer other features more than increased fuel economy. The bottom line is that eliminating this EPA mandate is a plus for consumer choice, allowing each person more flexibility in deciding which vehicles and which combinations of fuel economy and other features best serve their own needs at a given price point. Obama, like most liberals, believes that the world works better when the government eliminates a greater degree of choice from markets. The Obama era EPA guideline in question reflects that worldview. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:55:57 PM EDT
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I love my e85 though let me keep that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we PLEASE get the ethanol removed from our gas? |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 7:57:59 PM EDT
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Out-f'ing-standing. Pollution control is a good thing but miles-per-gallon rules are super stupid. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 8:38:48 PM EDT
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Reality and physics come to mind. Why not make the standards 200mpg? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Curious.. what are the negatives for consumers for higher gas milage standards? How is this a win for us? ETA: Anybody remember the two wheel thing that looked like a stretched (to two seats in tandem) fuselage of a BD5J (mini jet that was used in one of the James Bond movies) built as a motorcycle with enclosed seating? It had little outrigger wheels that popped out below a certain speed. I thought about that thing a few days ago, and I can't remember what it was called. ETA2: The outriggers popping out, is a feature of the much newer EcoMobile. The one I was trying to remember was the Bede Litestar. 100mpg at 55mph. Add newer materials to lighten it up, and a newer (smaller) engine, and 200mpg is not impossible. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 8:45:33 PM EDT
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The 2025 targets are mostly impossible to meet. Another dumbass Obama policy, intended to eventually keep us from driving at all. They want us to herd into the large cities and use public transportation, so they want to make driving your own vehicle cost-prohibitive. "They" meaning Progressives/Communists/Globalists, of course.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 10:33:22 PM EDT
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I don't think people see the big picture with fuel economy. Higher requirements force innovation to focus on compliance, which with these regs ends up being a reduction on reliance of oil. Even with US oil production increasing, moving towards a sustainable energy source (hydro is huge in the NW) insulates us from a global commodity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't think people see the big picture with fuel economy. Higher requirements force innovation to focus on compliance, which with these regs ends up being a reduction on reliance of oil. Even with US oil production increasing, moving towards a sustainable energy source (hydro is huge in the NW) insulates us from a global commodity. Quoted:
I'll have to disagree. I think we need to keep pushing manufacturers to develop more and more fuel efficient cars. Gas prices will just keep going up, and it will affect economic growth in the future. It will also affect national security as the world oil supply diminishes and we need fuel for military use. Quoted:
I'm going to be in them minority here, but demanding fuel economy standards have made vehicles better than ever before. If they're such great ideas, why do they always need to be mandated? |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 10:38:59 PM EDT
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Funny how it always comes down to the need to force these "good ideas" onto us. If they're such great ideas, why do they always need to be mandated? |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 10:45:29 PM EDT
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MAGA
FUCK OBAMA FUCK EPA FUCK CALIFORNIA FUCK GLOBAL WARMING HYSTERIA MAGA |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 10:53:18 PM EDT
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I love my e85 though let me keep that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we PLEASE get the ethanol removed from our gas? |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 11:01:05 PM EDT
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First buttons I hit in my wife’s and my vehicles is turning the Stop/Start off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good start stop fuck off There's government thinking for you.  |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 11:08:56 PM EDT
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The standards are arbitrarily set by people who have no technical background. They mandate fuel economy and safety equipment without ever considering the trade offs in cost vs actual improvements. The government has "approved" the use of E15 (gasoline with 15% ethanol) in passenger cars MY 2001 and newer. Not the manufacturers of those cars. Not the engineers that designed and spec'ed the engines and fuel systems. Or fucking anybody that knows what the hell they are talking about. A governmental organization that is nominally devoted to "protecting the environment" is the one who declared that the fuel was to be used in normal passenger cars. Cars that were never designed to run on such a fuel. Cars whose fuel systems can suffer damage from use of such fuels, particularly over the long term. But it's all okay because the government said so. . (E85 is fine with me - that's for use in vehicles designed for it, and you can really have some fun with it due to its high AKI, even if the energy content is lower. E15 is just fucking stupid.) |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 11:10:04 PM EDT
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As long as I'm not subsidizing it, like now. Knock yourself out. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 11:12:23 PM EDT
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I can't get 110 at the pump like we used to, but e85 can make some big power. I would pay a premium for it not one tear shed, just want it available for big boost aplications. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As long as I'm not subsidizing it, like now. Knock yourself out. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 11:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 55 miles per gallon average is pretty unrealistic. Barring major technological breakthroughs, manufacturers would have to dump a lot of trucks and SUVs to meet that. Hybrids and electric cars may be the only options. More expensive vehicles. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:19:48 AM EDT
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It makes the LibFucks sqeem and the CA AG upset, I'm all for it.
Fuck you, Beccera. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:29:27 AM EDT
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50 mpg highway... 30 years ago... 
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:35:39 AM EDT
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http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CRX_HF.jpg 50 mpg highway... 30 years ago... |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:47:53 AM EDT
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yeah... I'm just sayin'
prolly a 2000 lb car without the cocoon of airbags, every power luxury known to man and all that other shit... I know.. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:07:01 AM EDT
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No, you don't see the big picture. The goal of enviro nazis is regulate cars off the roads and "force" people into mass transit. Since it's an unpopular goal and un obtainable thru legislation they get it thru regulation via the EPA and the NTSA |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:09:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fed govt has no constitutional authority to dictate efficiency standards to business |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years back my wife’s 3 week old Hyundai got a flat tire. I drove across town to put her spare on. There was no spare tire in the trunk. Do you know why? Because they needed to shave as much weight as possible to achieve their advertised mpg rating. So, they ditched the spare tire. Such innovation, much wow. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:15:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In two pages I didn't see safety mentioned. Smaller, lighter cars are less safe than heavier, bigger cars (and trucks.) CAFE standards kill people, the thruth the leftists don't want you to know. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:19:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the government's business. None of your business. The big picture is the scientists, engineers, etc. are jumping through hoops to meet an unrealistic government edict, rather than actually doing things the market would dictate. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is one hundred percent fact. Were it not for government mandates and subsidies, wind, solar, etc. would not be economically feasible. They are, in fact, "tinker-toy bullshit". Mathematically provable, if one simply looks at energy cost invested, including transportation and the energy to make the concrete, verses the energy harvested over the operating life of the system. In the case of wind, by the time a wind generator gets to the break-even point in terms of energy, it is worn out. You can get a partial return over the next 10 - 15 year lifespan, if yoyu rebuild it and re-use the existing mounting and blades, but you are still looking at being net negative for 10 - 15 years. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:25:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And how about you not sick the government on us to prevent us from "you do you" by force and fear? |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:26:41 AM EDT
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Regulation should protect consumers in the marketplace. The marketplace should determine, in as many cases as possible what products are offered. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:33:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All I see are the costs of vehicles increasing yearly to keep up with ever restricted government mandates. Driving consumers ever deeper into debt. Go buy a hybrid if you like. I’ll choose not to. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:38:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How exactly is relying on oil, which is the most cost effective fuel we have, is a bad thing? Using numbers, if possible. If we want to discuss oil versus sustainable sources, that's a different topic. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:44:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the NPV of installing solar panels on your car? |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:48:26 AM EDT
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Curse of the West Coast perhaps? I spent a few minutes addressing questions that came in over time and its almost 11 oclock. No additional responses since then
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Posted: 3/31/2018 3:15:12 AM EDT
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Curious.. what are the negatives for consumers for higher gas milage standards? How is this a win for us? |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:27:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I should have read through all responses I've been quoted on, because if I would have seen this one, it could change the narrative. I would love, love, to see some references on what you are committing to. Trust me, I'm super objective, so I can eat crow if needed. Are you going to characterize wind power as the driving point in this discussion? Guess what? We are talking about fuel economy. https://www.windpowerengineering.com/projects/windpower-profitability-and-break-even-point-calculations/ Read the comments too, there's some interesting contributions there. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:34:36 AM EDT
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Curious.. what are the negatives for consumers for higher gas milage standards? How is this a win for us? I can't tow a skidsteer with a prius or tesla. Nor should I be required by law to recirculation abrasive soot into the intake stream to fuck up valves and seats, Clog up an EGR cooler to potentially derate power output by 40%, rupture and burn coolant through the exhaust OR intake to either overheat pop head gaskets, hydrolock, or crack pistons, nor be required to have a Destroys Pickups Fast trashcan of doom, backed up by injecting Unicorn Piss at an extra expense. That's why it's a win. Fuck Cafe and it's mandates. Fuck the EPA. Fuck your cardigan sweater. Fuck your hybrid or plug in. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:36:30 AM EDT
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I will say if the electrification vision is going to happen, it's going to need one thing. Nothing else will come close to getting the power numbers needed, and cleanly:
I'm interested in electric, and a rider. There is still a very long way to go. I wrote about Zero bikes and some of the problems inherent in the platform here. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:41:33 AM EDT
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I get concerns about diesel filtering, I really do, but you've got to understand PM2.5 is particularly nasty, no two ways about it.
Remember, your rights end where another's begin. When you're running a pollution-heavy platform, it's not about 'muh truck'. It is reasonable and socially responsible for that to be mitigated. There's a good read about diesel and pollution here: https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/doc/2013/wp29grpe/GRPE-65-05.pdf |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 9:44:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounds like that you believe required fuel efficiency is driving costs up. I'm well versed in energy, but less versed in economics. Cost and value. If vehicles are too expensive, people wont buy them. Yes fuel efficiency standards are one reason for the increase in costs. All this lightweight materials used in production like aluminum and composite are significantly more expensive than steel. The more advanced technology required build a highly efficient engine that still produces sufficient horsepower don’t come cheap either. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 10:16:29 AM EDT
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http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CRX_HF.jpg 50 mpg highway... 30 years ago... Absent 1,000lbs of safety and emissions gear you could pull off those MPG numbers. And in a car that was actually somewhat entertaining to drive. The CRX HF was a dog compared to the Si model but still kinda fun. Govt is trying to force manufacturers to defy the laws of physics to deliver products that hit all the mandates. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 10:24:38 AM EDT
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Sure. Where do you draw the line between regulation and law? When responding, please keep big picture in mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The fed govt has no constitutional authority to dictate efficiency standards to business |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 10:27:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They still buy them. Allow me to introduce you to the 84 month auto loan. Yes fuel efficiency standards are one reason for the increase in costs. All this lightweight materials used in production like aluminum and composite are significantly more expensive than steel. The more advanced technology required build a highly efficient engine that still produces sufficient horsepower don’t come cheap either. 
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Posted: 3/31/2018 10:52:55 AM EDT
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If it weren't for fleet mileage numbers, I dont think you would see the big 3 hardly be in the small car game. Their best products are pickups and sedans/ sports cars. I would venture to say that they would almost let foreign manufacturers have that market share.
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Posted: 3/31/2018 11:53:45 AM EDT
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Do you really believe that? Is there a tin foil conspiracy where politicians in Washington are driving mass transit as a replacement for personal automobiles? I'm not even going to use logic to refute this, because its bullshit. You must not understand the scale of the US as it relates to other countries. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, you don't see the big picture. The goal of enviro nazis is regulate cars off the roads and "force" people into mass transit. Since it's an unpopular goal and un obtainable thru legislation they get it thru regulation via the EPA and the NTSA An asshole rich politician who got their money using insider trading, that you or I can't use, will always have the money to buy expensive personal transportation. It's everyone else they don't want driving. Just like they will never stand in an "Ofuckface care" line waiting to see a Dr. As far as cuntcommiecocksuker democunt politicians are concerned, only the parts of the country that vote for them count. This big wide open area in between those bastions of Marxist faggotry doesn't exist to them. We can just fuck off and die as far as they care. They think we ride horses to work and shoot Indians for fun while some poor Mexican mows our grass and a Chinese cooly does our White privileged laundry. The reality is that I have an Indian friend, don't even own a horse, am related to some Mexican Americans that fucking hate illegals, and I got nothing for Chinamen's. But we need transportation and that means Cars and Trucks. Can I hear 87 fuck Obamas from the crowd?  
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:02:56 PM EDT
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Bring back the Viper!
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:04:41 PM EDT
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Curious.. what are the negatives for consumers for higher gas milage standards? How is this a win for us? A F150? An Odyssey? |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The invisible hand will be more free to act in the market. The market will optimize to where it should have been all along. Automakers are no longer obligated to design and build cars that are not profitable in order to sell vehicles that are profitable. I know free market dictates, and the invisible hand of demand will dictate. I loathe plenty of regulations, but how does this one cut our throats? |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:08:20 PM EDT
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Nuclear energy is "sustainable". Every other non-hydrocarbon energy source is still tinker-toy bullshit, with a few geographically limited exceptions. Coal is definitely the way to go. Lmao |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 12:09:10 PM EDT
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How about scrapping corn fuel and give us back regular gas. |
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