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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:00:52 PM EDT
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If Im paying for it, I have a right to say no. As soon as drug users arent also using my money for their treatment and all the follow on societal disfunction, legalize em all you want. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:01:31 PM EDT
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If Im paying for it, I have a right to say no. As soon as drug users arent also using my money for their treatment and all the follow on societal disfunction, legalize em all you want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll take that as a no. So tell me, by what right does this government have a say in what substances you do and don't put in your body? I would think a free people would blanch at the very idea. As soon as drug users arent also using my money for their treatment and all the follow on societal disfunction, legalize em all you want. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:05:09 PM EDT
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:06:29 PM EDT
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It's going to take more than what we've been throwing at it lately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn right. What's your kid's future worth? ETA: You think about it. I can try everyday to prove to my little girl "drugs are bad" but to only have entire industries (plural) telling her only drugs can fix her and getting high (and then hooked on) is so "cool". Please .... |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:06:48 PM EDT
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Yes, yes, the drugs did this. We should put drugs in prison. That's the solution. We can round up all the drugs. Then they won't have anything to sell, and drug users won't have anything to buy! So simple a 4 year old could have come up with it and spent trillions of dollars attempting. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:07:48 PM EDT
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The WoD is one of those things I used to think "Well yea, obviously that's a good thing." But once I decided to educate myself on it, I realized there is no way a reasonable, rational person could support this. The only two excuses are actual statists or ignorant people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, pot needles everywhere around my place. You wouldn't believe it.
The WoD is one of those things I used to think "Well yea, obviously that's a good thing." But once I decided to educate myself on it, I realized there is no way a reasonable, rational person could support this. The only two excuses are actual statists or ignorant people. It has failed completely and only served to empower the state. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:09:12 PM EDT
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Yup, which is why we have all those alcohol cartel related murders today. Oh wait there aren't any. Maybe they just forgot for a few years. That's probably it. 
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Drugs are a victimless crime, McKay?
Gotta love some of the posters on here with zero critical thinking skills. If gun prohibition is bad, and alcohol prohibition is bad, then drug prohibition will also be bad. You can't have it any other way. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:15:24 PM EDT
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Well....when your paycheck is on the line, critical thinking goes out the window. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are a victimless crime, McKay?
Gotta love some of the posters on here with zero critical thinking skills. If gun prohibition is bad, and alcohol prohibition is bad, then drug prohibition will also be bad. You can't have it any other way. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:18:05 PM EDT
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I'll take that as a no. So tell me, by what right does this government have a say in what substances you do and don't put in your body? I would think a free people would blanch at the very idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the WoD is taken seriously, then maybe we'll see some positive results. But no, that won't happen when DC has the highest cocaine use per capita in the Nation, when we have a entertainment industry targeting the youth and glorifying drug use, when we have Mothers and Fathers hooked on painkillers, and grade schoolers being pumped full of mind-numbing prescriptions as a way to keep them still, we won't see positive results from the WoD. We've given up. It's time to take the WoD seriously. Holy fuck. So tell me, by what right does this government have a say in what substances you do and don't put in your body? I would think a free people would blanch at the very idea. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:21:17 PM EDT
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When the WoD is taken seriously, then maybe we'll see some positive results. But no, that won't happen when DC has the highest cocaine use per capita in the Nation, when we have an entertainment industry targeting the youth and glorifying drug use, when we have Mothers and Fathers hooked on painkillers, and grade schoolers being pumped full of mind-numbing prescriptions as a way to keep them still, we won't see positive results from the WoD. We've given up. It's time to take the WoD seriously.
A few more laws and a couple of trillion away from winning this damn war...am I right? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:22:12 PM EDT
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It is by the lessons learned and forgotten. TANSTAAFL - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. There are places right now that have exactly what you're implying but strangely enough, the people living in those places are dying to leave them, in hordes even. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:25:24 PM EDT
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It is by the lessons learned and forgotten. TANSTAAFL - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. There are places right now that have exactly what you're implying but strangely enough, the people living in those places are dying to leave them, in hordes even. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the WoD is taken seriously, then maybe we'll see some positive results. But no, that won't happen when DC has the highest cocaine use per capita in the Nation, when we have a entertainment industry targeting the youth and glorifying drug use, when we have Mothers and Fathers hooked on painkillers, and grade schoolers being pumped full of mind-numbing prescriptions as a way to keep them still, we won't see positive results from the WoD. We've given up. It's time to take the WoD seriously. Holy fuck. So tell me, by what right does this government have a say in what substances you do and don't put in your body? I would think a free people would blanch at the very idea. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:27:35 PM EDT
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You didn't answer the question. And what a rambling nonsense of a non answer. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:27:38 PM EDT
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If the government can tell you that you can't smoke pot, because it's bad for you and it costs society money ....
By that same principle, why can't they tell you that you can't eat bacon? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:29:00 PM EDT
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If the government can tell you that you can't smoke pot, because it's bad for you and it costs society money .... By that same principle, why can't they tell you that you can't eat bacon? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:29:01 PM EDT
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Where? And people are fleeing those places because drugs are legal? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is by the lessons learned and forgotten. TANSTAAFL - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. There are places right now that have exactly what you're implying but strangely enough, the people living in those places are dying to leave them, in hordes even. ETA: I think damn near everyone one of us would be scared shitless if faced with the kind of "freedom". |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:29:38 PM EDT
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You didn't answer the question. And what a rambling nonsense of a non answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the WoD is taken seriously, then maybe we'll see some positive results. But no, that won't happen when DC has the highest cocaine use per capita in the Nation, when we have a entertainment industry targeting the youth and glorifying drug use, when we have Mothers and Fathers hooked on painkillers, and grade schoolers being pumped full of mind-numbing prescriptions as a way to keep them still, we won't see positive results from the WoD. We've given up. It's time to take the WoD seriously. Holy fuck. So tell me, by what right does this government have a say in what substances you do and don't put in your body? I would think a free people would blanch at the very idea. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:31:30 PM EDT
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No. The "Free People" thing. We have a unique brand of Freedom. What's being implied falls more towards some kind of Anarchy which I seriously doubt a single one of us would actually want. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:31:57 PM EDT
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Funny that you guys didn't answer my above question.
If they can't keep drugs out of prison, where the prisoners have very limited rights, and are potentially under constant surveillance, and there is a physical barrier, often with armed guards around the place ..... how on earth are they going to keep drugs off the streets and have anything like a free society? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:33:01 PM EDT
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Funny that you guys didn't answer my above question. If they can't keep drugs out of prison, where the prisoners have very limited rights, and are potentially under constant surveillance, and there is a physical barrier, often with armed guards around the place ..... how on earth are they going to keep drugs off the streets and have anything like a free society? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:35:28 PM EDT
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They mostly are, when legal. Prohibition breeds violence, just like this. Consumption of alcohol or any other drug only has the potential to hurt the user |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:36:33 PM EDT
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Tastes like pollo.
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:39:41 PM EDT
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Another interesting item ....
In the late 1910s, the people of this country understood that the U.S. Constitution did not empower the government to prohibit the distribution, sale, and consumption of any substance. Therefore, the 18th amendment was passed to grant the government the power to abolish the sale and consumption of alcohol. That was back in the day when there still existed some reverence for that document. Today, we have prohibition of a large list of substances all under the banner of "drugs", and yet no amendment was ever passed to grant the federal government this authority. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:40:14 PM EDT
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Two things.
1. I feel like there is something wrong with me after all these years of explicit pics on the internet that I can look at these and just think, "Meh, these guys had a bad day." 2. Anyone who looks at these and does not think we need to seal the border with that shithole south of us is basically out of their mind. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:41:00 PM EDT
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Another interesting item .... In the late 1910s, the people of this country understood that the U.S. Constitution did not empower the government to prohibit the distribution, sale, and consumption of any substance. Therefore, the 18th amendment was passed to grant the government the power to abolish the sale and consumption of alcohol. That was back in the day when there still existed some reverence for that document. Today, we have prohibition of a large list of substances all under the banner of "drugs", and yet no amendment was ever passed to grant the federal government this authority. 
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:43:35 PM EDT
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Two things. 1. I feel like there is something wrong with me after all these years of explicit pics on the internet that I can look at these and just think, "Meh, these guys had a bad day." 2. Anyone who looks at these and does not think we need to seal the border with that shithole south of us is basically out of their mind.
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:44:06 PM EDT
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The constitution is a living document, and a bunch of old dead white guy's precedent isn't important. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another interesting item .... In the late 1910s, the people of this country understood that the U.S. Constitution did not empower the government to prohibit the distribution, sale, and consumption of any substance. Therefore, the 18th amendment was passed to grant the government the power to abolish the sale and consumption of alcohol. That was back in the day when there still existed some reverence for that document. Today, we have prohibition of a large list of substances all under the banner of "drugs", and yet no amendment was ever passed to grant the federal government this authority. Of course, as the old saying goes, they end up with neither. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:44:26 PM EDT
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Funny that you guys didn't answer my above question. If they can't keep drugs out of prison, where the prisoners have very limited rights, and are potentially under constant surveillance, and there is a physical barrier, often with armed guards around the place ..... how on earth are they going to keep drugs off the streets and have anything like a free society? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:45:05 PM EDT
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The vast majority of people give lip service to "liberty", but given the choice they'll pick security every time. Of course, as the old saying goes, they end up with neither. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:46:08 PM EDT
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Why do we have "Laws"? Any "Law"? Our freedom has a unique flavor - It's always been a free enough society for free enough individuals. You're able to be able to live life in prosperity (as you see it) without having to fend off the wolves. That should never have been a question and why it is now puzzles the hell out of me. We really only need a couple pages of laws, honestly. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:48:13 PM EDT
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This week, members of the Nueva Familia Michoacana Cartel carried out a series of gory executions in the rural areas between Apatzingan and La Ruana. Operatives kidnapped 11 victims from which the remains of only three were recovered. The victims were not rival cartel members–only local residents who refused to support the Nueva Familia Michoacana. Cartel gunmen severed the heads from their bodies and then cut various body-parts off. The cartel placed some of the human remains on a grill and cooked them.., http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/11/01/exclusive-graphic-mexican-cartel-dismembers-grills-innocent-civilians/ Build a fucking GREAT WALL! |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:48:58 PM EDT
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You would be the ignorant one my friend. I have seen Heroin up close and personal. I have watched it destroy countless young lives. Stories are all the same - kids have a sports injury, get a bottle of Percocet. Like the Percocet. Score more until their tolerance builds up to where percs and dormin doesn’t cut it any more. Then they switch to heroin because they can’t afford Percocets anymore. I have brought my son back from death through cpr. If you think there are functional Heroin users then you my friend just did a button yourself Given time - there are no victimless Heroin users. Period. So now you can go tell other people how they are ignorant and a little H won’t cause them any harm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are. 100% of the CEOs of my division have coke and H problems. I know, because I've SEEN it. One of them has done coke for at least the 20 years I've known him. This isn't a ringing endorsement for drugs. I'm not a fan. However, you're ignorant. ETA: This isn't meant to be an insult. Most people who aren't exposed to drugs have no idea how prolific they are on the street, let alone in big business offices. Given time - there are no victimless Heroin users. Period. So now you can go tell other people how they are ignorant and a little H won’t cause them any harm. You're making it personal and giving into the same emotion based illogical thought process that leads to the "if it saves just one life" argument antigun people use |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:50:42 PM EDT
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Why do we have "Laws"? Any "Law"? Our freedom has a unique flavor - It's always been a free enough society for free enough individuals. You're able to be able to live life in prosperity (as you see it) without having to fend off the wolves. That should never have been a question and why it is now puzzles the hell out of me. We shouldn't have laws that are justified by the government having to spend money on various social pathologies via government programs that never should exist in the first place. You people are complaining that people's drug use cost society because the government must spend money on drug rehab, welfare, etc. In other words, your answer to a too large government is more government. It really is that stupid. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:58:59 PM EDT
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You didn't answer the question. And what a rambling nonsense of a non answer. Freedom or free&dumb |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:00:01 AM EDT
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It's the so-called "freedom" that's being used like a lollipop. Every time I hear someone scream about "my freedoms" to excuse bad behavior, my eye starts to twitch. We've always existed under a give and take relationship to maintain this Society of ours. There are a number of places where one can go to exercise the type of freedom some say they want but they never seem to go there and stay. There are a number of things I would change regarding Gov't intrusion into our daily lives but one thing I would not halt would be the WoD. To do so would be suicide. Freedom or free&dumb |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:00:09 AM EDT
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Why do we have "Laws"? Any "Law"? Our freedom has a unique flavor - It's always been a free enough society for free enough individuals. You're able to be able to live life in prosperity (as you see it) without having to fend off the wolves. That should never have been a question and why it is now puzzles the hell out of me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny that you guys didn't answer my above question. If they can't keep drugs out of prison, where the prisoners have very limited rights, and are potentially under constant surveillance, and there is a physical barrier, often with armed guards around the place ..... how on earth are they going to keep drugs off the streets and have anything like a free society? If you can't keep drugs out of a small, controlled environment, with limited constitutional rights and imposing physical barriers such as exist in a federal prison, how exactly do you propose to keep drugs off the streets any anything remotely resembling a free society? Ah yes, our freedom has a unique flavor ..... then again, so does horse shit. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:00:30 AM EDT
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We have laws to prevent people from infringing directly on other people's liberty. That's why murder and theft are illegal. We shouldn't have laws that are justified by the government having to spend money on various social pathologies via government programs that never should exist in the first place. You people are complaining that people's drug use cost society because the government must spend money on drug rehab, welfare, etc. In other words, your answer to a too large government is more government. It really is that stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do we have "Laws"? Any "Law"? Our freedom has a unique flavor - It's always been a free enough society for free enough individuals. You're able to be able to live life in prosperity (as you see it) without having to fend off the wolves. That should never have been a question and why it is now puzzles the hell out of me. We shouldn't have laws that are justified by the government having to spend money on various social pathologies via government programs that never should exist in the first place. You people are complaining that people's drug use cost society because the government must spend money on drug rehab, welfare, etc. In other words, your answer to a too large government is more government. It really is that stupid. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:00:38 AM EDT
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And oh btw, you once again failed to answer the question. If you can't keep drugs out of a small, controlled environment, with limited constitutional rights and imposing physical barriers such as exist in a federal prison, how exactly do you propose to keep drugs off the streets any anything remotely resembling a free society? Ah yes, our freedom has a unique flavor ..... then again, so does horse shit. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:00:58 AM EDT
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Fairy tale land is that way ----------> |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:01:02 AM EDT
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It's the so-called "freedom" that's being used like a lollipop. Every time I hear someone scream about "my freedoms" to excuse bad behavior, my eye starts to twitch. We've always existed under a give and take relationship to maintain this Society of ours. There are a number of places where one can go to exercise the type of freedom some say they want but they never seem to go there and stay. There are a number of things I would change regarding Gov't intrusion into our daily lives but one thing I would not halt would be the WoD. To do so would be suicide. Freedom or free&dumb |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:02:56 AM EDT
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Fairy tale land is that way ----------> |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:05:28 AM EDT
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It's the so-called "freedom" that's being used like a lollipop. Every time I hear someone scream about "my freedoms" to excuse bad behavior, my eye starts to twitch. We've always existed under a give and take relationship to maintain this Society of ours. There are a number of places where one can go to exercise the type of freedom some say they want but they never seem to go there and stay. There are a number of things I would change regarding Gov't intrusion into our daily lives but one thing I would not halt would be the WoD. To do so would be suicide. Freedom or free&dumb |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:06:32 AM EDT
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I don't know why the decent people simply haven't begun randomly killing drug dealers. In the end the vigilante group was disarmed and charged by the federales |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:07:01 AM EDT
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I'm a realist. I don't imagine myself as some Anti-Gov't whackadoodle who won't see the forest for the trees. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:07:09 AM EDT
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Come on SIASL ..... you go to any prison you choose in this country, turn the place upside down and watch how many drugs fall out.
If you can't win the War on Drugs in a prison, how on earth are you going to win it in a free country? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:08:41 AM EDT
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:09:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:10:50 AM EDT
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The WoD will never end. It'll always be fought. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:11:38 AM EDT
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Come on SIASL ..... you go to any prison you choose in this country, turn the place upside down and watch how many drugs fall out. If you can't win the War on Drugs in a prison, how on earth are you going to win it in a free country? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:13:58 AM EDT
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Every nation on Earth has faced this same problem. It's happened many times over. Many have won and many have failed and failed hard. We keep doing what we're doing and we'll end up being one who failed hard.
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