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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:15:44 AM EDT
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The WoD will never end. It'll always be fought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fairy tale land is that way ----------> The criminality that goes hand in hand with prohibition (hell, we didn't even have a mob of any consequence in this country till we passed the 18th amendment). Shredding our Constitution .... no knock raids at 3 am (oops ... wrong house, sorry about your dead husband) .... civil asset forfeiture that our founding fathers spin in their graves over .... no matter .... the war must go on. You historical ignorance is breathtaking. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:16:38 AM EDT
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Come on SIASL ..... you go to any prison you choose in this country, turn the place upside down and watch how many drugs fall out. If you can't win the War on Drugs in a prison, how on earth are you going to win it in a free country? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:16:53 AM EDT
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Every nation on Earth has faced this same problem. It's happened many times over. Many have won and many have failed and failed hard. We keep doing what we're doing and we'll end up being one who failed hard. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:17:55 AM EDT
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Now you're making shit up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every nation on Earth has faced this same problem. It's happened many times over. Many have won and many have failed and failed hard. We keep doing what we're doing and we'll end up being one who failed hard. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:17:56 AM EDT
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:19:23 AM EDT
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Just like booze during prohibition |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:20:50 AM EDT
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!"
ETA: Breaking! The WoD will never end! We will always fight it (or not). I don't want to see what happens if we stop fighting it. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:24:25 AM EDT
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:26:36 AM EDT
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:28:46 AM EDT
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Really, given the devastation wrought by alcohol, the damage to people and families not to mention the cost to society, shouldn't we give serious consideration to reviving the 18th amendment?
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:33:27 AM EDT
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If irony was a snake, you'd be in big trouble. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:36:00 AM EDT
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Funny how this country got along without really any controls of narcotic substances until 1914. And yes, people were using weed, morphine and cocaine since forever, and heroin since 1874. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" ETA: I mean, you don't keep sticking your foot in last night's fire do you? Lesson learned, right? You do it once, burn the shit out of your foot and set a reminder "Hey, that shit hurt!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:43:20 AM EDT
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Yeah, right up until we weren't getting "along" with it, right? It ain't because "reasons". There were some pretty negative effects. Like widespread drug abuse and addiction, maybe? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" We have a massively empowered federal government courtesy of the WoD. Parts of our Constituion are essentially a dead letter at this point. We have organized crime. Increased violence. If I'm going to have negative effects, I'll take the negative effects that go with freedom. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:43:44 AM EDT
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Yeah, right up until we weren't getting "along" with it, right? It ain't because "reasons". There were some pretty negative effects. Like widespread drug abuse and addiction, maybe? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:59:58 AM EDT
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Yeah, right up until we weren't getting "along" with it, right? It ain't because "reasons". There were some pretty negative effects. Like widespread drug abuse and addiction, maybe? ETA: I mean, you don't keep sticking your foot in last night's fire do you? Lesson learned, right? You do it once, burn the shit out of your foot and set a reminder "Hey, that shit hurt!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" ETA: I mean, you don't keep sticking your foot in last night's fire do you? Lesson learned, right? You do it once, burn the shit out of your foot and set a reminder "Hey, that shit hurt!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:19:21 AM EDT
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Says the guy that learned nothing from that whole little episode we had in the 1920s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" ETA: I mean, you don't keep sticking your foot in last night's fire do you? Lesson learned, right? You do it once, burn the shit out of your foot and set a reminder "Hey, that shit hurt!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:26:11 AM EDT
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:26:39 AM EDT
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Individual choice and responsibility is a bitch isn't it? Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices ETA: There's a balance that's out of whack, no doubt and there are some things I'd like to see handled differently. Intrusion is one, inane laws another, some skullduggery. Imperfect. The WoD needs to be fought though I think we've basically given up much to our detriment. Hell, I don't believe there's a single one of us that can say they're not unfamiliar with at least one person who is struggling with a serious addiction, a hell of a thing in itself. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:32:10 AM EDT
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Insert omgwtfbbq meme here
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:43:33 AM EDT
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? 
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Posted: 11/3/2017 2:05:32 AM EDT
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That pic looks like the "Rock"....can you smell what I got cookin?
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Posted: 11/3/2017 2:12:49 AM EDT
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Individual choice and responsibility is a bitch isn't it? Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices I guess that makes individual responsibility a bitch too, right? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 2:13:58 AM EDT
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when they're not illegal, they are a victimless crime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 2:32:40 AM EDT
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Where the fuck do they come up with this shit? They're already dead, grilling them isn't going to make them any more dead. WTF is wrong with people? Sick fucks!  What did you expect?????? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 3:22:05 AM EDT
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So there's no victim when a driver under the influence hits and kills someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? The argument you are trying to make is equivalent to the argument that guns should be regulated because someone committed murder with a gun. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 3:23:58 AM EDT
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* Or saving me and mine from your lifestyle choices? ETA: There's a balance that's out of whack, no doubt and there are some things I'd like to see handled differently. Intrusion is one, inane laws another, some skullduggery. Imperfect. The WoD needs to be fought though I think we've basically given up much to our detriment. Hell, I don't believe there's a single one of us that can say they're not unfamiliar with at least one person who is struggling with a serious addiction, a hell of a thing in itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices ETA: There's a balance that's out of whack, no doubt and there are some things I'd like to see handled differently. Intrusion is one, inane laws another, some skullduggery. Imperfect. The WoD needs to be fought though I think we've basically given up much to our detriment. Hell, I don't believe there's a single one of us that can say they're not unfamiliar with at least one person who is struggling with a serious addiction, a hell of a thing in itself. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 3:41:11 AM EDT
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Do you need saving from me drinking a beer? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices ETA: There's a balance that's out of whack, no doubt and there are some things I'd like to see handled differently. Intrusion is one, inane laws another, some skullduggery. Imperfect. The WoD needs to be fought though I think we've basically given up much to our detriment. Hell, I don't believe there's a single one of us that can say they're not unfamiliar with at least one person who is struggling with a serious addiction, a hell of a thing in itself. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 3:50:23 AM EDT
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My buddy lost his individual choice when he was hit and killed by a driver under the influence. I guess that makes individual responsibility a bitch too, right? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 3:54:52 AM EDT
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Do you have a drinking problem? To which my immediate thoughts are - Not my business = Your privacy. I don't know you = Your anonymity. You have a drinking and driving problem = Everyone's problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices ETA: There's a balance that's out of whack, no doubt and there are some things I'd like to see handled differently. Intrusion is one, inane laws another, some skullduggery. Imperfect. The WoD needs to be fought though I think we've basically given up much to our detriment. Hell, I don't believe there's a single one of us that can say they're not unfamiliar with at least one person who is struggling with a serious addiction, a hell of a thing in itself. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:01:00 AM EDT
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How many people have died this decade from fleeing bootleggers and booze smuggling? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How can you be so naive? You actually think that drug violence will end with legalization? These people will continue to fight turf wars there and then here for control of the supply. I am amazed by the blindness of the pro-drug crowd. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:08:49 AM EDT
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It isn't a victimless crime when a parent would rather do drugs than thake care of their kid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They mostly are, when legal. Prohibition breeds violence, just like this. Murder/extortion/etc... those aren't. But some people are stupid enough to ignore all of human history, and believe you can stop actual crimes by banning other things. 
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:13:45 AM EDT
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You must be a major drug addict if you are capable of recognizing the financial, civil liberty, and violent costs of the War on Drugs. Only a nefarious drug addict would be capable of understanding demonstrable sociology, documented history, or even basic arithmetic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're just a few no knock raids and a handful of civil asset forfeitures away from getting this thing licked.
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:15:46 AM EDT
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Ahhh, so the consumption itself of a substance which causes impairment is a nonissue, and it is only another act after the consumption that is an issue for anyone other than the user? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I mean goddamn, it's not like pretty much every nation throughout recordable history has fought this same thing. Doesn't that tell you something? Nah, let's not worry about it 'cause it's no big deal. "Pfft, it won't affect me or mine!" Good thing we have a ruling body to decide for us what is good for us. Maybe if we are lucky they will start a War on Diabetes, and ban pop, candy, and fast food. Saving us from our own lifestyle choices ETA: There's a balance that's out of whack, no doubt and there are some things I'd like to see handled differently. Intrusion is one, inane laws another, some skullduggery. Imperfect. The WoD needs to be fought though I think we've basically given up much to our detriment. Hell, I don't believe there's a single one of us that can say they're not unfamiliar with at least one person who is struggling with a serious addiction, a hell of a thing in itself. "I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." ETA: * The conflict - Where does "freedom" begin? For a "free" Society to flourish, we establish norms and boundaries to protect ourselves and each other from each other. Where does your freedom impose itself on mine and vice versa? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:26:49 AM EDT
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Latecomer here. This is obviously a brutal crime, but I'm not sure the cooking the body parts adds to the fear, if you think about it. Seems like a "Will be shot at dawn, and then hanged, then fed to lions, and then kept on bread and water for six weeks!" kind of thing.
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:29:15 AM EDT
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So......
I guess that is called a Pot Roast? 
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:32:43 AM EDT
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I mean to say, you understand that 473 consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole is not any more harsh than just one life without the possibility of parole sentence, right?
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:33:38 AM EDT
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So...... I guess that is called a Pot Roast? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:40:32 AM EDT
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Obviously you’ve never been to or worked in an ER and seen the results of drug abuse and addiction, doesent matter if it’s illegal or prescription drugs. It doesent matter where they obtain them, the end result is a drain on society and endangering the lives of those around them because of their self destructive behavior and poor life choices. As for what the drug cartels do, it’s called Narco Terrorism for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are a victimless crime, McKay? As for what the drug cartels do, it’s called Narco Terrorism for a reason. I am also an EMT, and I've been in many an ER. Your non-sequiter is where you jump from "This is horrible!" to "We can fix this with prohibition and laws!". |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 5:09:08 AM EDT
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The thing is, ok, it's not particularly difficult to manufacture intoxicants. The substances are easy and dirt cheap to make, and people want them. There's no fix for that. Period.
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Posted: 11/3/2017 7:19:28 AM EDT
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Your son nearly killing himself doesn't change the reality that there are a huge number of completely functional drug users, just like there is a huge number of functional alcoholics. You're making it personal and giving into the same emotion based illogical thought process that leads to the "if it saves just one life" argument antigun people use I do not believe there are functional Heroin addicts. I have met and talked with thousands (literally). None were functional. Not a single one. All turned to crime to support the addiction. All had victims to discuss Go to an NA meeting in your area. It could be an eye opener for you. If you truly believe that there are “normal” everyday joes with active Heroin addictions then I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. Sure maybe they can fool people for a year until they can’t afford the habit anymore. Only the addict thinks they are normal. Everyone else around them notices they nod off all day, lie cheat and steal to support the addiction, leave their kids in a swing to die and be eaten by maggots while they keep shooting up, and live a life of crime and destruction. There won’t be one person here that actually knows a functional Heroin addict. People like to make that argument. With some drugs it just isn’t possible. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 7:31:45 AM EDT
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At any cost, right? The criminality that goes hand in hand with prohibition (hell, we didn't even have a mob of any consequence in this country till we passed the 18th amendment). Shredding our Constitution .... no knock raids at 3 am (oops ... wrong house, sorry about your dead husband) .... civil asset forfeiture that our founding fathers spin in their graves over .... no matter .... the war must go on. You historical ignorance is breathtaking. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 8:36:29 AM EDT
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Your son nearly killing himself doesn't change the reality that there are a huge number of completely functional drug users, just like there is a huge number of functional alcoholics. You're making it personal and giving into the same emotion based illogical thought process that leads to the "if it saves just one life" argument antigun people use Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are. 100% of the CEOs of my division have coke and H problems. I know, because I've SEEN it. One of them has done coke for at least the 20 years I've known him. This isn't a ringing endorsement for drugs. I'm not a fan. However, you're ignorant. ETA: This isn't meant to be an insult. Most people who aren't exposed to drugs have no idea how prolific they are on the street, let alone in big business offices. Given time - there are no victimless Heroin users. Period. So now you can go tell other people how they are ignorant and a little H won’t cause them any harm. You're making it personal and giving into the same emotion based illogical thought process that leads to the "if it saves just one life" argument antigun people use Lets say drugs are legal. Do you want your surgeon cutting on you after he did a few lines for lunch? You want your kid's teacher around them after she shot up in the bathroom? How about the truck driver determined to drive his load of pineapples non stop to Hawaii while on a meth binge? Besides, if drugs were legal then Tyrone would have to get a real job. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 8:51:42 AM EDT
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Driving impaired, and consuming something are two separate acts. Your buddy didn't get killed because someone took drugs, he got killed because someone was driving impaired. The argument you are trying to make is equivalent to the argument that guns should be regulated because someone committed murder with a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? The argument you are trying to make is equivalent to the argument that guns should be regulated because someone committed murder with a gun. I have had two DWIs. The second one I was minding my own business drinking beer at home and getting royally drunk. Next thing I knew I was in my truck on the side of the road with a sheriff's flashlight shining in my face. I don't remember leaving the house. I had blacked out. Was I of the mind to make a conscious decision to drive? Would I have been if I hadn't been drinking? Luckily I didn't have a wreck and hurt or kill anyone but In that state I wouldn't have known it if I did. That was in 1993. I no longer drink to any great extent. Two beers is my limit and I won't drive after I open the first one. Drugs are much more powerful than alcohol. It takes less of them to reach that point. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 9:58:12 AM EDT
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Hey, the War on Drugs has been every bit the success that the War on Alcohol was in the 1920s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/3/2017 10:06:38 AM EDT
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You failed to address the fact that the only reason murderous mexican cartels exist to begin with is because users in this country create the demand for their product. Think about that the next time you smoke a bowl. Just maybe if you do something for DECADES and things are worse than when you started, it might not be too crazy to maybe look at alternative tactics to reach the strategic goal. But fuck that. Common sense is for faggots. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 10:30:48 AM EDT
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So there's no victim when a driver under the influence hits and kills someone? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 10:44:06 AM EDT
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Latecomer here. This is obviously a brutal crime, but I'm not sure the cooking the body parts adds to the fear, if you think about it. Seems like a "Will be shot at dawn, and then hanged, then fed to lions, and then kept on bread and water for six weeks!" kind of thing. Just saying It’s a lot more disturbing to the average person that those folks just having disappeared. It’s a message. Psychological warfare. Heads on a pike by armies throughout history. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 11:52:51 AM EDT
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So you are also for adding alcohol to the prohibited substances list, correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My buddy lost his individual choice when he was hit and killed by a driver under the influence. I guess that makes individual responsibility a bitch too, right? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:46:55 PM EDT
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Driving impaired, and consuming something are two separate acts. Your buddy didn't get killed because someone took drugs, he got killed because someone was driving impaired. The argument you are trying to make is equivalent to the argument that guns should be regulated because someone committed murder with a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are a victimless crime, Mmkay? The argument you are trying to make is equivalent to the argument that guns should be regulated because someone committed murder with a gun. My buddy would not have been killed if someone had not made the decision to indulge and then drive after words. Your gun analogy is completely asinine because one doesn't become impaired by using a gun. Now there are cases where substance users become impaired and then use a gun to kill or injure others as a result. The common thread in these incident is use of a substance prior to the acts. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 4:59:10 PM EDT
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Just because there are a huge number of functional drug users does not mean that drugs have no impact on anyone but the user. Lets say drugs are legal. Do you want your surgeon cutting on you after he did a few lines for lunch? You want your kid's teacher around them after she shot up in the bathroom? How about the truck driver determined to drive his load of pineapples non stop to Hawaii while on a meth binge? Besides, if drugs were legal then Tyrone would have to get a real job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are. 100% of the CEOs of my division have coke and H problems. I know, because I've SEEN it. One of them has done coke for at least the 20 years I've known him. This isn't a ringing endorsement for drugs. I'm not a fan. However, you're ignorant. ETA: This isn't meant to be an insult. Most people who aren't exposed to drugs have no idea how prolific they are on the street, let alone in big business offices. Given time - there are no victimless Heroin users. Period. So now you can go tell other people how they are ignorant and a little H won’t cause them any harm. You're making it personal and giving into the same emotion based illogical thought process that leads to the "if it saves just one life" argument antigun people use Lets say drugs are legal. Do you want your surgeon cutting on you after he did a few lines for lunch? You want your kid's teacher around them after she shot up in the bathroom? How about the truck driver determined to drive his load of pineapples non stop to Hawaii while on a meth binge? Besides, if drugs were legal then Tyrone would have to get a real job. Saying that people should be allowed to put whatever they want into their bodies and that it affects no-one but themselves, IS NOT condoning or supporting doing any of those things or any of the many other things that are dangerous or risk other people's safety while impaired. It is no different than how we wouldn't want anyone doing those things while drunk, legalizing alcohol didn't legalize any of those |
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