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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:05:26 PM EDT
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Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam. Snowden is an American hero. Quote HistoryQuoted:
"This lawsuit will ensure that Edward Snowden receives no monetary benefits from breaching the trust placed in him." Snowden is an American hero. Nobody will actually say that they've fucking stopped doing it either. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:05:48 PM EDT
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Yeah, Fuck US citizens. Spy on everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good Bunch of small government conservatives getting angry when somebody comes out and exposes big governments dirty laundry. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:06:00 PM EDT
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Not sure what you mean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, I don't think they thought this through....opening doors best left closed.  |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:07:55 PM EDT
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Ha ha ha |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:11:30 PM EDT
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When assholes collide
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:13:09 PM EDT
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Allegedly. Also, I don't think it was said that he "sold" intel to our enemies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Selling intelligence to foreign enemies is heroic now? Odd. Also, I don't think it was said that he "sold" intel to our enemies. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:13:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "trust" placed in him was not to reveal our government was shredding the constitution by building a giant, ultra top secret freedom-shredder with all the money it took from us. Nobody will actually say that they've fucking stopped doing it either. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:14:16 PM EDT
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I thought he died?
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:16:29 PM EDT
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Kinda hard to root for the “good guy” who fled to Russia  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:28:26 PM EDT
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This. I don't even care about snowden or his innocence or guilt. What he exposed and what wikileaks exposed about the treason in our own government surveillance state is so shocking and heartbreaking that it doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The "trust" placed in him was not to reveal our government was shredding the constitution by building a giant, ultra top secret freedom-shredder with all the money it took from us. Nobody will actually say that they've fucking stopped doing it either. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:33:48 PM EDT
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I hope they financially ruin him. He did wrong, broke the law, and is now trying to make crime pay.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:34:45 PM EDT
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Snowden is a hero. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:41:22 PM EDT
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Lot of people bitching about high treason for an intel agent who exposed illegal shit and went overseas to not get Arkancide?
Yet, Clintons still free, Obamas milking Netflix, Holder/Comey still "respected", and Epstein hanging around. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You will be conjugally visited by Bubba every hour on the hour. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:50:50 PM EDT
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To all of the NSA defenders and those who say Snowden is a traitor, are you saying that the NSA is in fact not monitoring American citizens?
Or if they are spying on us, Snowden simply made this up and they are spying on us in different ways? To those who say he broke the law, you’d be correct. But that isn’t evidence enough for me because of the whole founding fathers were traitors analogy. I have not kept up on the propaganda from either side. I find it plausible that the NSA’s massive classified computer centers could be spying on us. But what I haven’t heard is the evidence refuting him, other than from Obama’s trustworthy mouth. I’m interested to get a summary of what that is (as long as it is not conjecture). |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Funny ain't it? Bunch of small government conservatives getting angry when somebody comes out and exposes big governments dirty laundry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good Bunch of small government conservatives getting angry when somebody comes out and exposes big governments dirty laundry. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:59:52 PM EDT
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To all of the NSA defenders and those who say Snowden is a traitor, are you saying that the NSA is in fact not monitoring American citizens? Or if they are spying on us, Snowden simply made this up and they are spying on us in different ways? To those who say he broke the law, you’d be correct. But that isn’t evidence enough for me because of the whole founding fathers were traitors analogy. I have not kept up on the propaganda from either side. I find it plausible that the NSA’s massive classified computer centers could be spying on us. But what I haven’t heard is the evidence refuting him, other than from Obama’s trustworthy mouth. I’m interested to get a summary of what that is (as long as it is not conjecture). What the cheerleaders want you to believe is that he was a hero, driven by conscience to do the right thing. What he was, was a disgruntled fuckup who wanted to do as much damage to his country as he could. What he did do, in fact, was sell damaging US intelligence to Russia and China, some amount of which showed that there were some bad things done by the government (if you were naive enough to think they would never do such things beforehand, it’s a “you” problem). Because this told some malcontents what they wanted to hear, it’s a good thing. To thinking folks, it was treason, with a bitter dose of truth on top. So the question remains: what percentage of “feel good” information makes treason ok? Apparently that threshold is very low for some folks. Conveniently obfuscating and creatively editing the whole treason part makes them feel better about themselves. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:59:53 PM EDT
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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy. It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:02:31 PM EDT
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No. Chance he will get a fair anything. He exposed the man, and they will make him pay for it.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:12:30 PM EDT
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He betrayed the government |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:13:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what percentage of treason telling you what you want to hear makes it ok? Keep watching TV. It makes it a lot easier for people like me to point out hypocrisy of the average dumb argument. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:15:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s two completely separate issues. What the cheerleaders want you to believe is that he was a hero, driven by conscience to do the right thing. What he was, was a disgruntled fuckup who wanted to do as much damage to his country as he could. What he did do, in fact, was sell damaging US intelligence to Russia and China, some amount of which showed that there were some bad things done by the government (if you were naive enough to think they would never do such things beforehand, it’s a “you” problem). Because this told some malcontents what they wanted to hear, it’s a good thing. To thinking folks, it was treason, with a bitter dose of truth on top. So the question remains: what percentage of “feel good” information makes treason ok? Apparently that threshold is very low for some folks. Conveniently obfuscating and creatively editing the whole treason part makes them feel better about themselves. But how do we know that he specifically sold intelligence? For money? Or simply by the fact that he is getting safe harbor in one of those countries? And how do we know it was damaging to our country? Is there evidence of that which isn’t from a gov press briefing if you know what I mean. I really have not dived into specifics of all what he did reveal other than the NSA spying program. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:17:07 PM EDT
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I see what you’re saying. But how do we know that he specifically sold intelligence? For money? Or simply by the fact that he is getting safe harbor in one of those countries? And how do we know it was damaging to our country? Is there evidence of that which isn’t from a gov press briefing if you know what I mean. I really have not dived into specifics of all what he did reveal other than the NSA spying program. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It’s two completely separate issues. What the cheerleaders want you to believe is that he was a hero, driven by conscience to do the right thing. What he was, was a disgruntled fuckup who wanted to do as much damage to his country as he could. What he did do, in fact, was sell damaging US intelligence to Russia and China, some amount of which showed that there were some bad things done by the government (if you were naive enough to think they would never do such things beforehand, it’s a “you” problem). Because this told some malcontents what they wanted to hear, it’s a good thing. To thinking folks, it was treason, with a bitter dose of truth on top. So the question remains: what percentage of “feel good” information makes treason ok? Apparently that threshold is very low for some folks. Conveniently obfuscating and creatively editing the whole treason part makes them feel better about themselves. But how do we know that he specifically sold intelligence? For money? Or simply by the fact that he is getting safe harbor in one of those countries? And how do we know it was damaging to our country? Is there evidence of that which isn’t from a gov press briefing if you know what I mean. I really have not dived into specifics of all what he did reveal other than the NSA spying program. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:18:43 PM EDT
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So what part of treason telling you what you don't want to hear makes it OK? Keep watching TV. It makes it a lot easier for people like me to point out hypocrisy of the average dumb argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So what percentage of treason telling you what you want to hear makes it ok? Keep watching TV. It makes it a lot easier for people like me to point out hypocrisy of the average dumb argument. Treason is treason. If you want to kiss his ass, feel free after he’s cut down from the gallows (where he belonags). |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think England was ready to hand medals to the founding fathers during the revolutionary war? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only traitors are the ones enabling the NSA to spy on the citizenry. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you get as salty about the traitor on our $1 bills? 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:37:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The alternative is to believe that Russia and China acted out of altruistic charity. If you believe that, you’re probably shocked to hear that the government spies on people. Hopefully you don’t misconstrue my question with an assumption about what I do or do not know. These are not meant to be leading questions. I have no knowledge or expertise to know what motivates a country to harbor Snowden. One thought of mine is that an irritant to my unfriendly neighbor is my friend (but that may entirely not be the case in this situation, how can you know for sure). The Bradly Manning incident resulted in some harm, correct? Is there anything similar with Snowden’s leaks? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:39:50 PM EDT
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Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam. Snowden is an American hero. Quote HistoryQuoted:
"This lawsuit will ensure that Edward Snowden receives no monetary benefits from breaching the trust placed in him." Snowden is an American hero. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:41:08 PM EDT
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The .gov chose treason long before snowden exposed it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:44:16 PM EDT
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Lot of people bitching about high treason for an intel agent who exposed illegal shit and went overseas to not get Arkancide? Yet, Clintons still free, Obamas milking Netflix, Holder/Comey still "respected", and Epstein hanging around. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:45:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s two completely separate issues. What the cheerleaders want you to believe is that he was a hero, driven by conscience to do the right thing. What he was, was a disgruntled fuckup who wanted to do as much damage to his country as he could. What he did do, in fact, was sell damaging US intelligence to Russia and China, some amount of which showed that there were some bad things done by the government (if you were naive enough to think they would never do such things beforehand, it’s a “you” problem). Because this told some malcontents what they wanted to hear, it’s a good thing. To thinking folks, it was treason, with a bitter dose of truth on top. So the question remains: what percentage of “feel good” information makes treason ok? Apparently that threshold is very low for some folks. Conveniently obfuscating and creatively editing the whole treason part makes them feel better about themselves. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:46:42 PM EDT
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No. Chance he will get a fair anything. He exposed the man, and they will make him pay for it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 9:46:46 PM EDT
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Selling intelligence to foreign enemies is heroic now? Odd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam. Snowden is an American hero. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:01:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He broke the law, betrayed his country, and now cowers in hiding in Russia. Anyone who thinks he did right is aiding a traitor. There ya go. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:02:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Says the guy in a communist state. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:08:20 PM EDT
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I hope they bankrupt the smarmy traitor. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:10:17 PM EDT
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I hope they financially ruin him. He did wrong, broke the law, and is now trying to make crime pay. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:27:56 PM EDT
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For there to be treason, there would need to be damage to the country. "The country", meaning American citizens and things that are in their interests. I'm not convinced he damaged "his country" in any way whatsoever. Those saying he did have zero credibility. ZERO.
If he damaged anything at all he damaged "his government", which considering the contempt it holds for its citizens I cannot be arsed to give a fuck about. But...but...HE BROKE THE LAW. Again, I don't care. You break the law if you have an AR-15 with a 12" barrel without paying the king's tax. Who is the victim of this "crime"? Who's the victim of Snowden's? Again, it's the government, and the misdeeds he revealed justify breaking his oath. What is an oath to someone/something that constantly lies and violates the trust of the people it supposedly serves really worth anyway? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:29:02 PM EDT
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No way in hell Snowden gets anywhere near classified data without someone pulling strings. He's a fake, patsy, or double agent.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:31:04 PM EDT
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For there to be treason, there would need to be damage to the country. "The country", meaning American citizens and things that are in their interests. I'm not convinced he damaged "his country" in any way whatsoever. Those saying he did have zero credibility. ZERO. If he damaged anything at all he damaged "his government", which considering the contempt it holds for its citizens I cannot be arsed to give a fuck about. But...but...HE BROKE THE LAW. Again, I don't care. You break the law if you have an AR-15 with a 12" barrel without paying the king's tax. Who is the victim of this "crime"? Who's the victim of Snowden's? Again, it's the government, and the misdeeds he revealed justify breaking his oath. What is an oath to someone/something that constantly lies and violates the trust of the people it supposedly serves really worth anyway? "the government" is elected here. It's not an oligarchy. Snowden evidently prefers such a thing, as that's where he defected to -- but that's not what we have. Doing harm to "the government" is by definition doing harm to this country and its interests, as this country put the government in place. There is no Constitutional amendment that enshrines the right to leak national security secrets and run away to Russia, so your 12" barrel comment is absurd. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam. Snowden is an American hero. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 10:59:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2019 11:14:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your understanding of Civics is non existent. "the government" is elected here. It's not an oligarchy. Snowden evidently prefers such a thing, as that's where he defected to -- but that's not what we have. Doing harm to "the government" is by definition doing harm to this country and its interests, as this country put the government in place. There is no Constitutional amendment that enshrines the right to leak national security secrets and run away to Russia, so your 12" barrel comment is absurd. Should we post the percentage of the government that is elected? Your arguments are even dumber than the usual statist garbage I read regularly here. 
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Posted: 9/18/2019 10:58:16 AM EDT
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That's a criminal trial, he's been indicted for espionage already. That's not what this is about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Discovery will be a stone cold bitch here. The case is open and shut contract law. He signed a document stating he knew he was obligated by law to submit publications for review prior to publication. He chose to break that law on purpose and in public. There's nothing to discover. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 11:09:26 AM EDT
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Regardless of guilt or innocence; when the gov't wants you for anything, the first thing they do is start breaking you financially. That's what this is about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Discovery will be a stone cold bitch here. The case is open and shut contract law. He signed a document stating he knew he was obligated by law to submit publications for review prior to publication. He chose to break that law on purpose and in public. There's nothing to discover. |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 11:11:44 AM EDT
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How hard to look for any fucks to give?
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Posted: 9/18/2019 11:15:08 AM EDT
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When the Clinton's call you out for national security and want you to face trial, that's ironic. It's noted that site hate here is emotional and vocal but a minority nonetheless. Statesman don't look out for the people. The haters have chosen their side.
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Posted: 9/18/2019 11:15:17 AM EDT
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When assholes collide |
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Posted: 9/18/2019 1:23:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your understanding of Civics is non existent. "the government" is elected here. It's not an oligarchy. Snowden evidently prefers such a thing, as that's where he defected to -- but that's not what we have. Doing harm to "the government" is by definition doing harm to this country and its interests, as this country put the government in place. There is no Constitutional amendment that enshrines the right to leak national security secrets and run away to Russia, so your 12" barrel comment is absurd. Edit to add: There is also no constitutional ammendment that gives a burocracy like the NSA the right to lie to their governing body, specifically congress. |
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