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Link Posted: 9/20/2019 4:13:40 PM EST
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Imagine if this was actually an FSB operation....

You get a dweeb who resets passwords for a living to steal millions of classified documents and military plans.  He delivers them to you.

You create an Information Operations campaign that convinces American Useful Idiots to cry from the mountaintops that "Snowden is a HERO!  The NSA needs to be abolished!"

THAT FSB officer deserves a medal.
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I think this guy is a worthless traitor, however the curious side of me wonders what was so bad that  he chose to throw away his life to expose it?

Either he is a traitorous piece of shit/retarded or he felt the government was doing a disservice to its citizens.

Question is did he hate his country and just chose to betray it due to hate, or did he really think it was worth sacrificing his life to expose what he did.
Imagine if this was actually an FSB operation....

You get a dweeb who resets passwords for a living to steal millions of classified documents and military plans.  He delivers them to you.

You create an Information Operations campaign that convinces American Useful Idiots to cry from the mountaintops that "Snowden is a HERO!  The NSA needs to be abolished!"

THAT FSB officer deserves a medal.
You forgot "the whole US government is a sham!"
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 4:46:30 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/20/2019 4:47:22 PM EST
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I will say that exposing oneself to the risk of legal consequences, is what differentiates a whistleblower from leaker/spy.  That's why it's considered noble, not because of their "intentions."
Intentions are for liberals.  Whistleblowing is basically like self-defense, where you have to admit the act in court to be cleared; you can't flee the nation after ending the thug who broke into your house, and expect your self defense claim to be honored absent a full-blown trial.

Snowden didn't even try to go through proper channels, or even semi-controlled channels (which Manning sort of did, since the guy he leaked to censored the most sensitive data).  He went straight to our enemies' with God knows what, since they never divulged it either, and then publicly embarrassed* the US by releasing documents of outrageous info gathering (some apparently fabricated)

*Right or wrong, one of the main reasons for classifying data is to protect our nation's image from damage.  Whether you think it is right for a nation to conceal embarrassing info (be it criminal or comical) is a different question from whether Snowden broke very clear rules that we've agreed to enforce.
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No. Chance he will get a fair anything. He exposed the man, and they will make him pay for it.
Wild, ignorant charge. He chose treason. Whistleblowers don't run to Russia.
I will say that exposing oneself to the risk of legal consequences, is what differentiates a whistleblower from leaker/spy.  That's why it's considered noble, not because of their "intentions."
Intentions are for liberals.  Whistleblowing is basically like self-defense, where you have to admit the act in court to be cleared; you can't flee the nation after ending the thug who broke into your house, and expect your self defense claim to be honored absent a full-blown trial.

Snowden didn't even try to go through proper channels, or even semi-controlled channels (which Manning sort of did, since the guy he leaked to censored the most sensitive data).  He went straight to our enemies' with God knows what, since they never divulged it either, and then publicly embarrassed* the US by releasing documents of outrageous info gathering (some apparently fabricated)

*Right or wrong, one of the main reasons for classifying data is to protect our nation's image from damage.  Whether you think it is right for a nation to conceal embarrassing info (be it criminal or comical) is a different question from whether Snowden broke very clear rules that we've agreed to enforce.
Assange censored sensitive data from Manning?



Assange released what he wanted to release to match his own personal ends.  He doesn't give a fuck about what's sensitive or not to the US.
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 6:42:23 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/20/2019 6:50:45 PM EST
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That’s quite a broad question.

Do you support what the NSA did to help find Zarqawi and Bin Laden?
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As far as I know none of that involved information from monitoring citizen's domestic communications.  If you have information otherwise I'd love to read it.

Do you support the NSA monitoring all citizen's domestic communications?
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 7:30:03 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/20/2019 7:42:09 PM EST
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Actually it's stupid, but if you think Uncle Sam is the good guy here than nothing else matters.
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Good
Actually it's stupid, but if you think Uncle Sam is the good guy here than nothing else matters.
No one is the good guy here. The US government should not have been spying the way they have, Snowden shouldn't have sold our secrets to the Russians and Chinese.
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 8:06:10 PM EST
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it's interesting how many people start with skepticism of their own government (a healthy starting point), but are willing to believe that a Russian CounterIntel press briefing on stolen documents presents altruistic and complete, unbiased truth with no effort to mislead, and that that same intelligence agency couldn't possibly be holding any additional information back for internal use.
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 8:24:31 PM EST
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I just hope next time some lib dbag gets a pass for the truly awful shit they seem to get away with all the time, The T-man pardons Snowden and sends AF1 over to pick him up.
Only condition is he needs to get off that plane with a MAGA hat on and both fingers in the air like Kidd Rock to really put a spotlight on our justice er, I mean "legal" system
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 8:29:21 PM EST
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You kind of have to if you believe espionage against the US is a thing, or wrong.

Talk about playing chess with pidgeons...
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After what we have seen the NSA/CIA/FBI/DOJ/ATF get involved in over the last 4 years anyone who trusts anything from a Fed Law Enforcement Agency or Intel Agency is nuts.
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 8:30:20 PM EST
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You forgot "the whole US government is a sham!"
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I think this guy is a worthless traitor, however the curious side of me wonders what was so bad that  he chose to throw away his life to expose it?

Either he is a traitorous piece of shit/retarded or he felt the government was doing a disservice to its citizens.

Question is did he hate his country and just chose to betray it due to hate, or did he really think it was worth sacrificing his life to expose what he did.
Imagine if this was actually an FSB operation....

You get a dweeb who resets passwords for a living to steal millions of classified documents and military plans.  He delivers them to you.

You create an Information Operations campaign that convinces American Useful Idiots to cry from the mountaintops that "Snowden is a HERO!  The NSA needs to be abolished!"

THAT FSB officer deserves a medal.
You forgot "the whole US government is a sham!"
If it was a sham we would not be in trouble.
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 8:36:58 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/21/2019 12:00:35 AM EST
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After what we have seen the NSA/CIA/FBI/DOJ/ATF get involved in over the last 4 years anyone who trusts anything from a Fed Law Enforcement Agency or Intel Agency is nuts.
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No chit! They the ones that should really be looking for asylum in commieland are our most finest
I guess all the sheep need a goat, and poor Eddy gets to be Jacky Ruby.
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