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Posted: 12/17/2018 5:46:27 PM EDT
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Here's an idea, get some fucking reading comprehension and string some letters together on wikipedia and the news article in question before spewing opinionated bullshit. This isn't a "disorderly conduct" charge. The organization was convicted under RICO for dealing drugs!!!!!! Or any one of the other numerous felonies they commit No one is being arrested or sent to prison. The organization has been found by a court to be an ongoing criminal enterprise. That's all that happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's an idea.....we arrest them for *gasp* dealing drugs!!!!!! Or any one of the other numerous felonies they commit? If they are that big of a "criminal organization" we shouldn't have to trump up these bullshit "disorderly conduct" charges and try to arrest them for the color of their clothing. Do some police work, arrest them for actual crimes, and be done with it. I don't support any law that is essentially "well damn Bob we tried but we can't get shit on him. Done? Oh no Bob, of course not, we are the gov and just know he is a bad guy. We have this thing called RICO that just let's us lock him up when we can't get anything else to stick". Never mind....I forget where I am sometimes. More laws! More government! Yay!!!! This isn't a "disorderly conduct" charge. The organization was convicted under RICO for dealing drugs!!!!!! Or any one of the other numerous felonies they commit No one is being arrested or sent to prison. The organization has been found by a court to be an ongoing criminal enterprise. That's all that happened. So why was RICO "invented" in the first place? I am pretty sure everything the Italian Mafia was doing was already illegal. Are there not laws already in place for murder, illegal gambling, extortion, and dealing drugs? Why exactly do we need RICO if it's not to hold certain people responsible for the crimes of others? |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:01:48 PM EDT
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The only reason they don't go after the street gangs is because they don't want Jessie Jackson Al Sharpton the NAACP BLM and every other sjw group rioting and raising hell along with their Hollywood and media stooges and being predominately white it's easier to go the OMC's as for MS13 and the cartels with their leadership based outside the US it is more difficult to get them but since Trump became president we have been making strides.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:02:56 PM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:04:37 PM EDT
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Pretty sure until internet forums and other clubs start requiring you to commit a violent felony witnessed by a full patch member to gain entry they are safe from being designated as an ongoing criminal enterprise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Give the lawyers enough time and they'll find a way. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:15:45 PM EDT
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They did. In court. Hence this ruling. Jesus Christ  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, tell the cops to fucking prove it. We are supposed the live in a free country. I despise MC's. Numerous bad experiences (including with one of the cops only clubs), but this goes against everything we hold dear. Jesus Christ You are all so happy to open your arms to government overreach when they arent grabbing for your precious guns. Pathetic. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:23:49 PM EDT
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Yep, .gov loves antifa so much they've classified them as a domestic terror organization.  |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:28:08 PM EDT
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Yeah omgs are just like arfcom |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:35:02 PM EDT
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Did Aimless sell his account or something? 
I thought lawyers knew about slippery slopes and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah omgs are just like arfcom
I thought lawyers knew about slippery slopes and all that. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:42:03 PM EDT
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As far as white knighting for bikers, they always come for the unpopular people first. That's always how it starts. People are stupid. They fail to understand the concept that if they can do it to someone unpopular they can do it to someone else the next time. The attitude of the dumbass is generally it's OK because it isn't their side of the fence. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 6:49:42 PM EDT
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I don’t think they have copy-written trademarks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yet the Bloods, Crips, Nortenos, Surenos, MS13, etc are thriving. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 7:00:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better keep a close watch on the EE. You might be a member on a site that trafficked illegal high capacity magazines across state lines. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 7:07:06 PM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 7:19:44 PM EDT
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That's why I won't buy a team membership. Hahaha nevermind, I'm just a cheapskate Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. Hahaha nevermind, I'm just a cheapskate |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 7:44:21 PM EDT
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The level of ignorance about gangs in this thread is amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mongols may be bad guys, but this is damn scary, slippery slope shit. The D's get in full power, NRA members, ARFcom members, etc. Could easily have the same ruling screw us. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 8:00:27 PM EDT
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I won't white knight for trailer trash gangs on bikes but this sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine all the other ways broad RICO cases could be abused and think about who makes those decisions. Guilt by association has no place in a free country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha ha! Guilt by association has no place in a free country. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 8:02:24 PM EDT
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I find the idea of seizing the insignia and suing people for copyright infringement interesting. Arresting people for wearing it would be insane, though.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 8:16:58 PM EDT
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I'm not a fan of OMGs(though I do find that sort of stuff fascinating) but that sounds crazy to me. Pinning two felony convictions on people just for being part of an organization with no evidence of any participation in any crime seems like a huge overreach to me.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 8:25:35 PM EDT
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This is EXACTLY how they win. People are stupid. They fail to understand the concept that if they can do it to someone unpopular they can do it to someone else the next time. The attitude of the dumbass is generally it's OK because it isn't their side of the fence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as white knighting for bikers, they always come for the unpopular people first. That's always how it starts. People are stupid. They fail to understand the concept that if they can do it to someone unpopular they can do it to someone else the next time. The attitude of the dumbass is generally it's OK because it isn't their side of the fence. The government has already proven past the shadow of any doubt that they will abuse any power given to them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 8:55:31 PM EDT
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I think celebrating this case is a tad shortsighted given the current political climate. Given the current generation of Communists entering politics and the legal field if this is upheld I can see it being applied to all sorts of "politically ungood" groups and their symbols. The BFL might be down on the food chain for them, but after the swastika, GOP elephant, cross, eagle, American flag, Confederate flag, Gadsden flag, Gonzales flag, Israeli flag and a few other things are named federally prohibited items under felony, they will get around to the BFL. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:04:09 PM EDT
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Non US Citizen Hell's Angels are barred from entering the US. But the NRA ect aren't criminal organizations..... |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:07:41 PM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. Quoted:
If you fly the Jolly Roger, don't cry when you get treated like a pirate. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:08:23 PM EDT
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Shit, I'd wear a Mongol patch just to entice Uncle Sam while on duty to project and protect the 1st Amendment. This is not good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha ha! Guilt by association has no place in a free country.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:11:07 PM EDT
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Pretty sure until internet forums and other clubs start requiring you to commit a violent felony witnessed by a full patch member to gain entry they are safe from being designated as an ongoing criminal enterprise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Give the lawyers enough time and they'll find a way. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:12:13 PM EDT
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The forum is doing it or an individual is using the forum, against forum policy, to do it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Better keep a close watch on the EE. You might be a member on a site that trafficked illegal high capacity magazines across state lines. Obviously getting caught up in a RICO case due to my membership on this site is a distant concern but it doesn’t negate how grossly overreaching this case is. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:12:38 PM EDT
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Shit, I'd wear a Mongol patch just to entice Uncle Sam while on duty to project and protect the 1st Amendment. This is not good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha ha! Guilt by association has no place in a free country. Mighty fine police work boys.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:17:58 PM EDT
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Well, that book about the undercover in the Mongols was pretty good
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:18:59 PM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:20:34 PM EDT
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Yeah omgs are just like arfcom Way to be short sighted. Aren't you supposed to be a lawyer? You think this ruling can't have far reaching ramifications? |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:20:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, if the Mongols was an open membership motorcycle club you would have a point. You can't become a Mongols member without a current member witnessing you commit a violent felony to gain your membership. They instituted this rule after the ATF infiltrated them because they know that undercover law enforcement, who can otherwise do certain things like sell/use drugs and commit other crimes for the furtherance of their role, draws a hard line at committing felony assaults in furtherance of their investigation. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:21:05 PM EDT
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Did Aimless sell his account or something?
I thought lawyers knew about slippery slopes and all that. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:23:58 PM EDT
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Found this..
Mongols Attorney Stephen Stubbs Explains the Mongol Nation RICO Conviction  Mongols Attorney Stephen Stubbs Explains the Mongol Nation RICO Conviction |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 9:38:41 PM EDT
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I am actually surprised that was a deterrent to the ATF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, if the Mongols was an open membership motorcycle club you would have a point. You can't become a Mongols member without a current member witnessing you commit a violent felony to gain your membership. They instituted this rule after the ATF infiltrated them because they know that undercover law enforcement, who can otherwise do certain things like sell/use drugs and commit other crimes for the furtherance of their role, draws a hard line at committing felony assaults in furtherance of their investigation.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:12:55 PM EDT
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No more toy runs, for the children.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:23:17 PM EDT
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"Slippery slope": Feds can't beat up on drug gangs because they might beat me up later? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At some point in the future, it could be considered just that, a bunch of crazy gun nutz. Make enough of our hobby illegal & the left will treat us like criminals. Wear a BFL on your shirt or a sticker on your truck, boom pulled over, house searched & your contraband confiscated. It is a means to an end & as we see what's going on in CO & NJ, they will use the tools they have to destroy us. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:27:02 PM EDT
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Pretty sure until internet forums and other clubs start requiring you to commit a violent felony witnessed by a full patch member to gain entry they are safe from being designated as an ongoing criminal enterprise. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:31:53 PM EDT
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Not really.the forum doesn’t exist for the purposes of criminal activity like a gang does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was just disappointed no Proud Boys were amongst them.  drinking raw milk!
watch the lawyer's video, sounds like they may still dodge the bullet on 1a grounds. (I have no idea of what he says is accurate [shrug]) |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:35:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically the OMCs bylaws forbid engagement in criminal acts as well. Seriously look it up they do. It might be a farce but it's no different than saying the COC prohibits illegal conduct on the site but still facilitates it. Obviously getting caught up in a RICO case due to my membership on this site is a distant concern but it doesn't negate how grossly overreaching this case is. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:36:59 PM EDT
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Said the guy in NY Way to be short sighted. Aren't you supposed to be a lawyer? You think this ruling can't have far reaching ramifications? |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:38:23 PM EDT
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This will be used against people who post wrong think memes.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:46:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know the difference between a gang of drug dealers and an Internet forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Said the guy in NY Way to be short sighted. Aren't you supposed to be a lawyer? You think this ruling can't have far reaching ramifications? Oh and one convicted terrorist. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:54:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An internet forum chock full of hate speech and transferring military hardware/assault weapons without background checks across state lines... Oh and one convicted terrorist. And yeah, arfcom's a Jihadi hotbed. Good point. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 10:54:51 PM EDT
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I won't white knight for trailer trash gangs on bikes but this sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine all the other ways broad RICO cases could be abused and think about who makes those decisions. Guilt by association has no place in a free country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha ha! Guilt by association has no place in a free country. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol RICO sure as fuck is a "disorderly conduct" charge. Why exactly do you think the gov wants them labeled as a criminal org so badly? So why was RICO "invented" in the first place? I am pretty sure everything the Italian Mafia was doing was already illegal. Are there not laws already in place for murder, illegal gambling, extortion, and dealing drugs? Why exactly do we need RICO if it's not to hold certain people responsible for the crimes of others? |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:03:39 PM EDT
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To hell with all those biker gangs and their meth dealing. A bunch of scared children with daddy issues.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:05:40 PM EDT
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A bunch of those fags are on here and you will see them cry about it. Crips/bloods/mongols/kkk. Act like an adult retard, enjoy the consequences.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:11:56 PM EDT
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WTF is a copy-written trademark? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yet the Bloods, Crips, Nortenos, Surenos, MS13, etc are thriving.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The level of ignorance about gangs in this thread is amazing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically the OMCs bylaws forbid engagement in criminal acts as well. Seriously look it up they do. It might be a farce but it’s no different than saying the COC prohibits illegal conduct on the site but still facilitates it. Obviously getting caught up in a RICO case due to my membership on this site is a distant concern but it doesn’t negate how grossly overreaching this case is. Their bylaws -- Strongly discourage the use of drugs (addicts don't pay their monthly dues which, depending on membership level, can be as much as $1000/month. -- Absolutely prohibit selling or dealing drugs (inmates don't pay their dues either). Some members choose to ignore those rules, and some get away with it, but if you fuck up, you'll lose your patch and then get your ass kicked. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm close friends with several members of a "top five" 1% club -- I went to high school with them back in the 1970's. One was my best friend (who, in over 30 years, has never been charged or convicted of any felony or misdemeanor). Their bylaws -- Strongly discourage the use of drugs (addicts don't pay their monthly dues which, depending on membership level, can be as much as $1000/month. -- Absolutely prohibit selling or dealing drugs (inmates don't pay their dues either). Some members choose to ignore those rules, and some get away with it, but if you fuck up, you'll lose your patch and then get your ass kicked. |
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