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Link Posted: 5/16/2019 7:58:52 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/16/2019 7:59:28 PM EST
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If no one was seriously injured a number of people had a very lucky day.

Sucks for the EOD folks.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:00:22 PM EST
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Is traffic worse than normal or is just so fucked anyway there is no way to tell.
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I was about 0.75 miles from the runway, about 1.25 miles from the crash when it happened.

The cops, fire trucks, and ambulances all rushed there and then in a bit came back as the military took over.

The F-16s sortie out here from LAX while on Combat Air Patrol for the west coast.
Is traffic worse than normal or is just so fucked anyway there is no way to tell.
I'm betting extra fucked.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:01:20 PM EST
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If no one was seriously injured a number of people had a very lucky day.

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All I have heard was three minor injuries.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:07:51 PM EST
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Used to frequent March in the 90s.  Are the Reserve Refuelers still based there, zoomies?
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Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:11:19 PM EST
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Reported to have a full ordinance load!  

Finders,  keepers?  

Weird that there was no kaboom on impact from fuel.
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My armchair speculation is that the engine flamed out, with no fuel pumping and nothing burning in the combusters a crash without fire isn't that surprising, especially if the airframe remains mostly intact.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:11:40 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:12:23 PM EST
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Or a roof kill on the plane.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:13:29 PM EST
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Facebook video from inside the warehouse (same guy that took the pic).

https://www.facebook.com/jeff.schoffstall/videos/pcb.2450136231698130/2450123181699435/?type=3&theater
His day was worse than mine.
They can now put an aircraft kill mark on their front door.    
Can the pilot get a F16 shaped teardrop tattooed under his eye now?
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:14:32 PM EST
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Mmm, hydrazine in an enclosed building.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:14:58 PM EST
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Wouldn't be the first time an F-16 crashed because of fuel starvation. No fire? I'm not saying it's devoid of fuel...but...
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:15:27 PM EST
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Or a roof kill on the plane.
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They can now put an aircraft kill mark on their front door.    
Or a roof kill on the plane.
You mean his next plane.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:15:47 PM EST
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Is traffic worse than normal or is just so fucked anyway there is no way to tell.
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Anytime any freeway goes down, it proper fucks everything within 10 miles.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:16:16 PM EST
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My armchair speculation is that the engine flamed out, with no fuel pumping and nothing burning in the combusters a crash without fire isn't that surprising, especially if the airframe remains mostly intact.
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Reported to have a full ordinance load!  

Finders,  keepers?  

Weird that there was no kaboom on impact from fuel.
My armchair speculation is that the engine flamed out, with no fuel pumping and nothing burning in the combusters a crash without fire isn't that surprising, especially if the airframe remains mostly intact.
Eh.  There are a lot of variables.  But if the above were the case...  One would think there was plenty of potential for ignition from all the electrical wiring involved in the crash both in the building and the aircraft among many,  many other things.

You can see in the pictures in the warehouse that there was a lot of black smoke,  but one would assume that the broken water main that is dumping hundreds of gallons of water on the aircraft may have put the fire out...  And that it was not a fuel fed fire due to the fact that a fuel fed fire would only be spread by water.



But that is all speculation.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:16:51 PM EST
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Or a roof kill on the plane.
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Or a roof kill on the plane.


I think the plane is dead Jim....
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:17:06 PM EST
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You mean his next plane.
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Nah, shit will buff right out.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:17:29 PM EST
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Wouldn't be the first time an F-16 crashed because of fuel starvation. No fire? I'm not saying it's devoid of fuel...but...
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A crew chief would never fuck up!
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:21:05 PM EST
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Eh.  There are a lot of variables.  But if the above were the case...  One would think there was plenty of potential for ignition from all the electrical wiring involved in the crash both in the building and the aircraft among many,  many other things.

You can see in the pictures in the warehouse that there was a lot of black smoke,  but one would assume that the broken water main that is dumping hundreds of gallons of water on the aircraft may have put the fire out...  And that it was not a fuel fed fire due to the fact that a fuel fed fire would only be spread by water.

https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/a7ef4c21-25e1-46cf-95c0-c083afc2ec2f.png

But that is all speculation.
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That wet spot next to the forklift is not water. Its where the operator pissed him self.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:22:03 PM EST
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LOL!  Can you blame him?!

I bet his undies were a bit mushy too.  
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:22:27 PM EST
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LOL!  Can you blame him?!

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Not at all.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:28:12 PM EST
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Fuel starvation in a -16 is very low probability.  The engine will still siphon fuel with all pumps off.   It is possible to shut off fuel flow, but to do so accidentally is also very unlikely.

edit- I see you probably meant running out of fuel.   Always a possibility, but unlikely unless he had  both a fuel quantity indication discrepancy and was also not paying attention to time in flight.  Again unlikely.  Military pilots rarely run out fuel in peacetime.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:29:13 PM EST
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My armchair speculation is that the engine flamed out, with no fuel pumping and nothing burning in the combusters a crash without fire isn't that surprising, especially if the airframe remains mostly intact.
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You'd be surprised how strong the airframe actually is. I was working at the end of the runway at Hahn, Germany, in 1988 and watched one crash on approach from the 496th Fighter Squadron. He smacked into the ground just outside the perimeter fence, through the fence, through the light poles, bounced onto the runway, and skidded about 100 yards. Landing gear was gone, but both wings were still attached with huge grooves cut into them from where they'd cut off the light poles. The nose had snapped down but was still attached to the plane above the intake. When the nose snapped, it sheared the SMDC lines so the canopy couldn't jettison and the pilot was stuck inside. Right side of the aircraft was on fire.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:29:34 PM EST
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A warehouse worker took a pic of it inside the building. The tail section was still intact. Will try to find the pic.

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It'll buff out.

Txl
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:30:27 PM EST
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Shit broke.

Plane fell.

Pilot ok.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:30:28 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:31:26 PM EST
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Can you imagine sitting at your desk there and a freakin' F16 comes in to say hello?
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First I'd say it, then I'd do it.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:32:32 PM EST
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You'd be surprised how strong the airframe actually is. I was working at the end of the runway at Hahn, Germany, in 1988 and watched one crash on approach from the 496th Fighter Squadron. He smacked into the ground just outside the perimeter fence, through the fence, through the light poles, bounced onto the runway, and skidded about 100 yards. Landing gear was gone, but both wings were still attached with huge grooves cut into them from where they'd cut off the light poles. The nose had snapped down but was still attached to the plane above the intake. When the nose snapped, it sheared the SMDC lines so the canopy couldn't jettison and the pilot was stuck inside. Right side of the aircraft was on fire.
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My armchair speculation is that the engine flamed out, with no fuel pumping and nothing burning in the combusters a crash without fire isn't that surprising, especially if the airframe remains mostly intact.
You'd be surprised how strong the airframe actually is. I was working at the end of the runway at Hahn, Germany, in 1988 and watched one crash on approach from the 496th Fighter Squadron. He smacked into the ground just outside the perimeter fence, through the fence, through the light poles, bounced onto the runway, and skidded about 100 yards. Landing gear was gone, but both wings were still attached with huge grooves cut into them from where they'd cut off the light poles. The nose had snapped down but was still attached to the plane above the intake. When the nose snapped, it sheared the SMDC lines so the canopy couldn't jettison and the pilot was stuck inside. Right side of the aircraft was on fire.
Damn
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:33:47 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:37:49 PM EST
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Holy crap
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:42:00 PM EST
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Nah, it isn't enclosed.  There's a skylight.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:46:39 PM EST
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Possible, but I'll refrain from discussion of wild ass guesses over a cause without more information.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:48:24 PM EST
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Looks like a warehouse now stocks a F-16.  Wonder if we can order it?
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:48:33 PM EST
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I forgot to finish my story above...

Of the eight of us working at the end of the runway that day, six froze from shock of watching the crash. They were like zombies and wouldn't respond to anything. My buddy Lou and I ran out to see if we could get the pilot out because he couldn't lift off the canopy - too heavy. We grabbed a 150lb Halon extinguisher and we ran dragging it with us. We figured we'd be able to hold off the fire until the fire department showed up. Unfortunately, it got stuck in the muddy field between the de-arm area and the crash site, so we left the extinguisher and kept running to the plane. We thought maybe we'd be able to help him lift the canopy off. As soon as we got to the plane, the pilot, Capt Dave W., LIFTED the canopy off and threw it to the right side of the plane, which was on fire (actually, just the wing). We grabbed him since he was at chest height and in a daze and drug him to a ditch to watch the plane until the fire dept., showed up a few minutes later. They sprayed foam on everything, including us.

Base commander said we never actually rescued him so he said "thanks" and see you later, not that we wanted anything...I just didn't want to watch him burn to death. The 496th was much more grateful. To this day I still have a lithograph signed by all the squadron's pilots, including new call sign "CRASH". For the rest of my tour in Germany, I was always welcome at their bar to drink for free. I met up with Captain Dave W., a few months later while we were TDY at Zaragosa, Spain, and he hooked me up with a Viper ride.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:50:22 PM EST
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Seal leak spraying fuel where it's bad?

The aircraft have been flying all morning long today over my building. Nothing different than any other day when the F-16s are visiting. Really good weather here - 70's and those super big cotton-candy like clouds. Not windy hardly at all at ground level.
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My wife had watched a U2 fly over us one morning. A few moments later it crashed. Both parachutes opened, but one of the pilots contacted the plane wing on way out. She heard the impact and ran out to watch them float down. The rumor is the one pilot passed before he got to the ground.

http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/SacBeeNIE/shared/ShowArticle.aspx?doc=MSB%2F2017%2F04%2F20&entity=Ar00102&sk=52FEDCD4

The amount of black SUVs and mil security that ran out to the crash site was incredible.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:53:57 PM EST
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I think they can fix that roof up with a couple of FEMA tarps.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 8:58:57 PM EST
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I forgot to finish my story above...

Of the eight of us working at the end of the runway that day, six froze from shock of watching the crash. They were like zombies and wouldn't respond to anything. My buddy Lou and I ran out to see if we could get the pilot out because he couldn't lift off the canopy - too heavy. We grabbed a 150lb Halon extinguisher and we ran dragging it with us. We figured we'd be able to hold off the fire until the fire department showed up. Unfortunately, it got stuck in the muddy field between the de-arm area and the crash site, so we left the extinguisher and kept running to the plane. We thought maybe we'd be able to help him lift the canopy off. As soon as we got to the plane, the pilot, Capt Dave W., LIFTED the canopy off and threw it to the right side of the plane, which was on fire (actually, just the wing). We grabbed him since he was at chest height and in a daze and drug him to a ditch to watch the plane until the fire dept., showed up a few minutes later. They sprayed foam on everything, including us.

Base commander said we never actually rescued him so he said "thanks" and see you later, not that we wanted anything...I just didn't want to watch him burn to death. The 496th was much more grateful. To this day I still have a lithograph signed by all the squadron's pilots, including new call sign "CRASH". For the rest of my tour in Germany, I was always welcome at their bar to drink for free. I met up with Captain Dave W., a few months later while we were TDY at Zaragosa, Spain, and he hooked me up with a Viper ride.
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Good on you two guys! Might be slightly jealous of your Viper ride. I've only gotten to "fly" a full motion T37 simulator. But, that was awesome as fuck. Would have been the T38 but no one was manning that station at the time.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:00:13 PM EST
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Anyone got a non facebook link to the video from inside the warehouse?
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You don't need to log in or anything to watch it.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:02:23 PM EST
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Big response for a U-2?
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The aircraft have been flying all morning long today over my building. Nothing different than any other day when the F-16s are visiting. Really good weather here - 70's and those super big cotton-candy like clouds. Not windy hardly at all at ground level.
My wife had watched a U2 fly over us one morning. A few moments later it crashed. Both parachutes opened, but one of the pilots contacted the plane wing on way out. She heard the impact and ran out to watch them float down. The rumor is the one pilot passed before he got to the ground.

http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/SacBeeNIE/shared/ShowArticle.aspx?doc=MSB%2F2017%2F04%2F20&entity=Ar00102&sk=52FEDCD4

The amount of black SUVs and mil security that ran out to the crash site was incredible.
Big response for a U-2?
Prolly had all the cool guy gear on board.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:04:54 PM EST
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You don't need to log in or anything to watch it.
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All FBCDN sites are blocked at home. They get no clicks from me!
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:06:16 PM EST
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No it doesn't..

Ok... Yes your right because I have a feeling that they will not be able to BIP a MK82.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:07:44 PM EST
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No it doesn't..

Ok... Yes your right because I have a feeling that they will not be able to BIP a MK82.
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I never thought about that.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:08:08 PM EST
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All FBCDN sites are blocked at home. They get no clicks from me!
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All FBCDN sites are blocked at home. They get no clicks from me!
I guess you're proper fucked then.

Not really missing anything. Just a different view of the hole and parts. It's not very long. And the dude, understandably, freakin out a little.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:09:32 PM EST
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No it doesn't..

Ok... Yes your right because I have a feeling that they will not be able to BIP a MK82.
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Ok... Yes your right because I have a feeling that they will not be able to BIP a MK82.
I mean, they could, but the company and property owner prolly would not appreciate it.
Link Posted: 5/16/2019 9:09:57 PM EST
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Seemed like it. How many people, trucks, and equipment normally get sent out for a mil plane crash?

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