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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:24:21 AM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, I’m on my couch. I did my time. If duty calls again, I’ll be there. Likely, you wouldn’t be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL, as if the Ukrainians actually need manpower. Keep saying that shit, it makes you look like a *insert bad COC word here* I am sure you are at the border right now. Or in DC protesting the steal. Nah, I’m on my couch. I did my time. If duty calls again, I’ll be there. Likely, you wouldn’t be. Are you bringing your couch with you?  |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:24:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you bringing your couch with you? Honestly, it’s a sectional so transport will be difficult. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:26:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did the first heavy lethal aid come from, again? Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did the first heavy lethal aid come from, again? Please explain how sending a small amount first makes it a larger amount? Quoted: Nah, I’m on my couch. I did my time. If duty calls again, I’ll be there. Likely, you wouldn’t be. Give credit where credit is due. I'll be he has the same amount of combat time as Fadedsun. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:33:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, it’s a sectional so transport will be difficult. Probably not, the USA and the Europeans have been running a lot of flights doing the modern day operation nicklegrass so moving it isn’t hard 
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:34:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably not, the USA and the Europeans have been running a lot of flights doing the modern day operation nicklegrass so moving it isn’t hard It would be a nice addition to the Kremlin. When are we going? Let’s take Moscow and eliminate our mortal enemy. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:36:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain how sending a small amount first makes it a larger amount? Give credit where credit is due. I'll be he has the same amount of combat time as Fadedsun. 300 tanks is a small amount? That’s more than the USA sent x10. Poland sent every t72mr1 tank it had in war reserve stock and now it’s sending their ow. Pt91 tanks. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:37:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 tanks is a small amount? That’s more than the USA sent x10. Poland sent every t72mr1 tank it had in war reserve stock and now it’s sending their ow. Pt91 tanks. We are going to need more to take Moscow. Send everything we have. I give it one month and we will dine in the Kremlin. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:38:42 AM EST
[#8]
 Ukraine War: Joe Biden says he is committed to helping 'strengthening Ukraine's air force' |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:39:18 AM EST
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The F-16 can definitely hold down the fort. Problem is they need 300 to do it. They will need to be maintained and at any one time 100 will be out of the 1st line. Maybe even become parts after the first 100 hrs. So what Block would be offered, given? |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:40:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryBiden has lied about everything so far so the F16s will target Russia. Going to be tough without our help though. We should commit a carrier strike group to the cause. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:41:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden has lied about everything so far so the F16s will target Russia. Going to be tough without our help though. We should commit a carrier strike group to the cause. Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden has lied about everything so far so the F16s will target Russia. Going to be tough without our help though. We should commit a carrier strike group to the cause. The way it's going, we are going to get involved. We better start looking for pre-emptive strikes to safe guard the homeland. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:42:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 tanks is a small amount? That’s more than the USA sent x10. Poland sent every t72mr1 tank it had in war reserve stock and now it’s sending their ow. Pt91 tanks. In the overall scheme of the conflict yes, especially considering most of those tanks were shit and the fact that those tanks have had very little impact whatsoever. In reality all of Europe combined was able to field two BCT's worth of modern tanks and tossed in a couple hundred archaic corpses for good measure. Now, they are completely tapped out, and those modern tanks came from their operational rolling stocks reducing their functional military capacity. However, that doesn't answer the question. Your response Screech's comment that Europe's contributions were limited was to wag your finger and remind him who sent lethal aid first. What exactly does that have to do with the amount they sent? The fact that you are a tank cheerleader and view this similar to a D&D or fantasy football event does not mean you have the slightest clue what is actually happening, what is important, or the tangential implications. This has been extremely apparent. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:45:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way it's going, we are going to get involved. We better start looking for pre-emptive strikes to safe guard the homeland. 100%. Watch Zelensky closely for actual demands for ground forces from the West. He has been given everything he has demanded. Biden said no tanks then no F16s. We saw how that turned out. What is happening is textbook mission creep. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:57:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far Ukraine has not sold anything we gave them. I didn't say they did. I said they have a history of selling military equipment when not in a conflict. Ukraine was a hot bed for selling military equipment and partaking in mass arms trade post soviet collapse. That's what I was referencing. They are going to need a lot of cash to rebuild once this is all over. They will have a lot of expensive western tech when this ends as well. Do you want a HIMAR post war, or sell it and rebuild your schools? |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 9:58:28 AM EST
[#15]
National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan news conference in Hiroshima on Saturday = American taxpayers are suckas!
 US President Biden approves transfer of F16s to Ukraine | SBS News |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:06:04 AM EST
[#16]
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:13:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those nations had that hardware simply because they lacked the means to buy more modern stuff. It wasn't like they were going to buy non STANAG'd equipment. The idea that our bilions we spend in Ukraine (to the tune of 100 million/day) will be offset in a meaningful way with FMS cases is fantasy. One, the US industrial base simply lacks this capacity and two, the Euros really didn't give that much stuff. ...and now they get new gear. The majority of the billions in "spending" that upsets you-and-others is simply an "allocation" not a spend- we transfer things out and record the cost of those things. We pay ourselves to make new weapons, we transfer those weapons to our allies to defeat our enemies. No financial offset is ever required, and it's nice that we don't have to provide the personnel for once to maintain the rules based international order. The benefit is that our allies come to us and ask for things to keep their military strong and their people safe- which has now taken on a new importance for those who were not paying attention to when Putin tried this play in Georgia in 2008... and also failed in spectacular fashion... claiming later that he only wanted Abkhazia and South Ossetia after Saakashvili kicked off the party while Putin was at the opening ceremonies of the 2008 Summer Olympics in Communist China (<-- This was gangster). Regarding the ever increasing capacity of our industrial base to meet this new demand... are you really just upset that post collapse and fragmentation, our allies are going to have tons of weapons pointed at the Oligarchs in Russia while they try to clean off the nukes and get them to work... while new weapons keep piling up in our inventory? Imagine how sad the Red Chinese will feel when they're still eating rats and bats and building cities that nobody lives in... while we just sit over here with our piles of new weapons, and lessons learned from a modern conventional war (for once!). And that's when the dustbowl hits thanks to our old friend Global Warming, and starves 1.4B Red Chinese in half. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:16:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh oh now you done it. Expect the devil dog brigade to be along shortly to question your patriotism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many 100 billions of $$$$ have we spent? This has to stop - we don't even fucking have the money to pay our own bills and here we are giving Billions$$ to Ukraine. This would not have happened if Trump were president. Fuck every democrat that has ever lived. Uh oh now you done it. Expect the devil dog brigade to be along shortly to question your patriotism. ???????????????????????????????????? |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:24:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am very concerned about the technology we will be giving, specifically air to air missiles. Not as concerned as Rooskie aviators! We even shot the HARM missiles off of a Ukrainian MiG-29.... that's neva been done be'foh! S400 is now no fun at all. So sad too for those old Commies who got strapped into the cockpit at gunpoint and sent to their death for nothing. One of them was very old, a University Professor who had done his time in the Soviet Air Force, survived the USSR and it's collapse, and just wanted to teach history to young people. Another victim of Russian strategic incompetence and broke-brain-behavior... shaped by the Mongol conquest and domination, serfdom under the Tsars, and the misery of the USSR. I can't wait to see what kind of backward thinking nation states the fragments of the Russian Federation become... |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:32:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority of the billions in "spending" that upsets you-and-others is simply an "allocation" not a spend- we transfer things out and record the cost of those things. We pay ourselves to make new weapons, we transfer those weapons to our allies to defeat our enemies. No financial offset is ever required, and it's nice that we don't have to provide the personnel for once to maintain the rules based international order. That's not how that works at all. The financial offset is incurred when that transfer that we just "recorded" has to be replaced within our own stocks, which it does, at higher inflation rates and lower production capacity. Your model works for the trash we sent them only, the M113's, ASV's, MRAPs, etc. Nothing else....and there has been a whole lot more that wasn't trash. We currently don't have the ability to replace our own stocks much less play Stark industries to the world as reflected in your fantasy here. That was something which was possible over the span of decades while America was still on top, now the strategic point of no return is defined by a single POM cycle while we are at our lowest possible point economically. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:33:54 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is plenty of benefits. You just don’t care. Are you reenlisting in the Taiwanese foreign legion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nonsense. Actions have risk to benefit ratio. Ukraine is all risk but no benefit for the US. There is plenty of benefits. You just don’t care. Are you reenlisting in the Taiwanese foreign legion? Unlike yourself, I’ve deployed overseas multiple times. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:35:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might want to learn about what’s going on before speaking and removing all doubt. The state of Texas pays hazard pay for soldiers sent down to the border. Why? 600$ a month. Soldier shoots IA attacking him Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How? You’ve never fired a shot on the border. Y’all dump the contents of your arms room in the Rio Grand or something? Might want to learn about what’s going on before speaking and removing all doubt. The state of Texas pays hazard pay for soldiers sent down to the border. Why? 600$ a month. Soldier shoots IA attacking him Must have pretty pathetic arms rooms if one shooting depleted it. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:37:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Must have pretty pathetic arms rooms if one shooting depleted it. He's a National Guard CBRN guy, that was implied. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:42:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's a National Guard CBRN guy, that was implied. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Must have pretty pathetic arms rooms if one shooting depleted it. He's a National Guard CBRN guy, that was implied. And he counts Texas as a combat deployment, 
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:48:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not how that works at all. The financial offset is incurred when that transfer that we just "recorded" has to be replaced within our own stocks, which it does, at higher inflation rates and lower production capacity. We currently don't have the ability to replace our own stocks much less play Stark industries to the world as reflected in your fantasy here. That was something which was possible over the span of decades while America was still on top, now the strategic point of no return is defined by a single POM cycle while we are at our lowest possible point economically. No, that's literally exactly how it works. We replace it with new stuff and then enjoy new stuff. The legit shelf life on a Javelin during the GWOT was 7.9 years before expiration. When orders slowed down, the Army claimed it was 22.6 years. Many Rooksie-sympathizers wish that we would just shoot these munitions at old, rusting hulks in the impact area. Some of our most Kremlin-operated minds here probably wish that we would just draw them from the ASP for a bigger boom on the demo range... and not even train to destroy Soviet armor, and slay Rooskies in Large Numbers. Now that orders are up BIG TIME, Javelins are flying out the door- so much that once all of Russia's vehicles are destroyed... we might end up with far too many. The Commie-angle on this is supposed to be, "The Military Industrial Complex is getting rich off of providing security and destroying our enemies!! Look at Raytheon's stock price! Eisenhower warned us! We should be permissive of neo-Soviet violent expansionism! Putin must be appeased! We should fold America down, and not oppose our enemies!" For correction also- We are also still on top... and nobody else is even close. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 10:48:42 AM EST
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 Unrestricted Climb in F-16 Fighter Jet - 0 to 15,000 feet in seconds  F-16 Strafe Pass  F-16 Strafe Pass |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 11:15:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, that's literally exactly how it works. We replace it with new stuff and then enjoy new stuff. The legit shelf life on a Javelin during the GWOT was 7.9 years before expiration. When orders slowed down, the Army claimed it was 22.6 years. Many Rooksie-sympathizers wish that we would just shoot these munitions at old, rusting hulks in the impact area. Some of our most Kremlin-operated minds here probably wish that we would just draw them from the ASP for a bigger boom on the demo range... and not even train to destroy Soviet armor, and slay Rooskies in Large Numbers. Now that orders are up BIG TIME, Javelins are flying out the door- so much that once all of Russia's vehicles are destroyed... we might end up with far too many. The Commie-angle on this is supposed to be, "The Military Industrial Complex is getting rich off of providing security and destroying our enemies!! Look at Raytheon's stock price! Eisenhower warned us! We should be permissive of neo-Soviet violent expansionism! Putin must be appeased! We should fold America down, and not oppose our enemies!" For correction also- We are also still on top... and nobody else is even close. Cool, let's use your example of the javelin to explain how you don't understand any of this. By almost every estimate, we are in big trouble with the javelin specifically due to decreases in material supply, most specifically components that would be impacted during an Asian conflict, proven by covid shortages from Asia. That combined with the lack of skilled labor in the US has lead to 2/3 of the javelin production lines becoming static. So yes, DOD allocated money towards new Javs, then found out it will take years to procure and produce, meanwhile the cost rises quarterly due to inflation. Just because a contract has been funded and awarded does not mean an item can be produced. In the meantime we burned through the majority of our magazines taking the erroneous approach (similar to yours) we could simply buy more. Now we are not only unable to continue providing them for foreign partners like Ukraine, but anyone else, including ourselves. The scope of expenditure in Ukraine doesn't seem to be widely understood here. The javelins that have been "flying out the door" are the operational stock we need ourselves and will not be able to replenish for years. The real problem is it isn't just javelins affected. Did Ukraine put visibility on this? Sure, but we already knew and had started that pivot to new systems to counter China just prior. We also knew it would take years to accomplish due to things like POM cycles, thats why in 2018 we start looking towards the 2028 plan. It will get sorted out, but years from now likely after Ukraines operational need has climaxed and also after our need to use against China both for deterrence or actual conflict. The multi year gap in between giving everything up and the replenishment is the concern here. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/17/politics/us-weapons-factories-ukraine-ammunition/index.html https://www.npr.org/2022/05/27/1101701890/javelin-missiles-are-in-short-supply-and-restocking-them-won-t-be-easy https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2022/03/08/ukraines-use-of-stinger-and-javelin-missiles-is-outstripping-us-production/amp/ https://www.csis.org/analysis/will-united-states-run-out-javelins-russia-runs-out-tanks https://news.usni.org/2022/04/27/u-s-missiles-sent-to-ukraine-arent-easily-replaced-panel-tells-senate https://www.airandspaceforces.com/inability-to-quickly-replace-stinger-and-javelins-for-ukraine-highlights-industrial-base-problems/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39946577/us-to-replace-javelin-stinger-missile-stockpiles-sent-to-ukraine/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/us/politics/military-weapons-ukraine-war.html GD: $$$$$$$ GD: ????? GD: ????? GD: ????? GD: MISSILES!!!! |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 11:53:18 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you want to throw up ANOTHER ally under the bus and then complain why NO ONE with more than two braincells will ever side with the US again? Seriously? YOu can't see any fault in your strategy ( besides we are finally grinding the ruswines to dust, something we wanted to do since 1946 ) |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 11:56:19 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At one point Russians were within kilometers of Kiev, how far are they pushed back now ? Do you consider being pushed away from your objective winning? Did the USA "win" in Afghanistan? What about Vietnam? Is Vietnam a non -communist country? How are the Kurds in Iraq faring these days ? |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:23:12 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Must have pretty pathetic arms rooms if one shooting depleted it. There’s only one soldier deployed to the border? Might want to check up on that. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:23:26 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike yourself, I’ve deployed overseas multiple times. So it should be easy and natural. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:24:25 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And he counts Texas as a combat deployment, I do? News to me. Please show where I did. Ironically enough Texas pays you “hazard pay” for being sent to the border @navydoc1 |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:26:23 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool, let's use your example of the javelin to explain how you don't understand any of this. By almost every estimate, we are in big trouble with the javelin... Wrong- we took action to remedy that, and we're increasing our production rate constantly. You're supposed to say now that production is getting better and better, the Russian Federation will have long since collapsed and fragmented while we will still be cranking out Javelins like mad and stacking them to the moon... like that's some kind of a waste of resources or that we could buy Apple crap for schools instead of Javelins to slay Rooskies. You really took that line though? The fact that we transferred out the Javs that were going to get shot into the impact area, maxed out our current production capability, took steps to increase our production capability... something... something... then flip it... now it's something bad? In the real world, this is all GREAT news. Send them more small arms too- we'll just make more M27s and that goofy SIG thing. Wait until it's over and then send them all the M9 pistols- in case the defeated Rooskies field terror cells and try the grab ass and the touchy feelie... |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:36:29 PM EST
[#34]
Game this out for me aviation gurus https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukraine-wont-use-f-16-jets-to-go-into-russia-says-joe-biden-4053844/amp/1
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:45:19 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong- we took action to remedy that, and we're increasing our production rate constantly. You're supposed to say now that production is getting better and better, the Russian Federation will have long since collapsed and fragmented while we will still be cranking out Javelins like mad and stacking them to the moon... like that's some kind of a waste of resources or that we could buy Apple crap for schools instead of Javelins to slay Rooskies. You really took that line though? The fact that we transferred out the Javs that were going to get shot into the impact area, maxed out our current production capability, took steps to increase our production capability... something... something... then flip it... now it's something bad? In the real world, this is all GREAT news. Send them more small arms too- we'll just make more M27s and that goofy SIG thing. Wait until it's over and then send them all the M9 pistols- in case the defeated Rooskies field terror cells and try the grab ass and the touchy feelie... We "took action"? What specific action? How long until it pans out? What is the production rate right now, when is it expected to increase, and to how many? How long will it take to replace our stockpiles at both rates, and what is the current expenditure rates for the Ukrainians? Any proof of any of your assertions would be helpful as well, but I'm leaning towards the fact that you don't understand the problem well enough to even develop viable search criteria on google. Not only have you proven you don't understand the basic problem set, you also don't understand the mechanisms around it or even the baseline figures involved with either. We absolutely did take some action, even before Ukraine, you just don't understand the timelines involved with "taking action". Were talking years. Oh look, here is the data you probably should have provided. As of this month the Army working towards deals that could expect javelin production to ramp up....to 4000 a year....by 2026. That isn't even a guarantee it will happen. By this time last year we had sent them almost 6000. That 6000 we are absolutely paying out of pocket to replace, in addition to any more we send them....at a much higher cost due to inflation and market shortages. https://www.defenceleaders.com/news/army-orders-nearly-4000-javelin-missiles-per-year-2026-72bln-deal As of February this year, we're still just starting to hash out the details and running into the same concerns. "Complicating matters is high inflation—which has disproportionately affected small businesses—and supply chains that despite improving in recent months still have weak points. Executives have said throwing money at the issue can only go so far as it takes months, if not longer, to train new workers and get raw materials." https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/02/memo-details-effort-boost-production-weapons-consumed-ukraine-fight/382711/ |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 12:50:07 PM EST
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Posted: 5/21/2023 1:33:52 PM EST
[#37]
Looks like Joe will be up for the Nobel peace prize All good now you can go back to beans and chili arguments https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-21/biden-says-us-china-relations-set-to-improve-very-shortly#xj4y7vzkg
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Posted: 5/21/2023 1:39:24 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Game this out for me aviation gurus https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukraine-wont-use-f-16-jets-to-go-into-russia-says-joe-biden-4053844/amp/1 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_9080_jpeg-2824080.JPG That’s no different than the restrictions we put on HIMARS. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 1:40:10 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's important the USA doesn't cut and run . There in lies the problem with our history of intervening in other country's conflicts/problems. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 1:56:18 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We "took action"? What specific action? How long until it pans out? You're getting warmer- the first set of links you spammed were all from the first few months of the conflict (April 2022, March 2022, May 2022...) You appear to be repeating Kremlin talking points that you don't fully understand- the angle you're trying to push is: now that we are building more lines and ramping up production, this will take time... and why are we making this huge investment in Defense when the war might be over before 2026 and we'll have all these Javelins that could have been Raspberry Pi learner sets for kiddos in public school. And anyway... it's certainly a very curious take, especially in a forum such as this, that we should not be investing heavily in Defense against our enemies with all of the most effective weapons available... and that they should be used against our enemies. Kremlin talking points aside though- it's an ALL DAY SLAY with bullets, bombs, and bayonets. Javelins are only one small part of the picture. The Kharkiv offensive of last fall had heavy losses for the Russian Federation in terms of both men and equipment, but 2023 has seen improved daily totals from ~500 KIA last fall to ~800 KIA today... without posting anywhere near the same totals for daily equipment losses:   The Rooskies are out of vehicles, with no way to resupply them, and on the verge of total collapse followed by fragmentation. That's why we are seeing the T-54 tanks being delivered by rail... and we can tear those up with M993!!! |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 2:02:38 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike yourself, I’ve deployed overseas multiple times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nonsense. Actions have risk to benefit ratio. Ukraine is all risk but no benefit for the US. There is plenty of benefits. You just don’t care. Are you reenlisting in the Taiwanese foreign legion? Unlike yourself, I’ve deployed overseas multiple times. Didn't he deploy to DC? |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 2:06:44 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like Joe will be up for the Nobel peace prize All good now you can go back to beans and chili arguments https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-21/biden-says-us-china-relations-set-to-improve-very-shortly#xj4y7vzkg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_9096_jpeg-2824146.JPG Next headline: Joe Biden says China Liberates Taiwan from itself. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 2:13:02 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't he deploy to DC? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nonsense. Actions have risk to benefit ratio. Ukraine is all risk but no benefit for the US. There is plenty of benefits. You just don’t care. Are you reenlisting in the Taiwanese foreign legion? Unlike yourself, I’ve deployed overseas multiple times. Didn't he deploy to DC? With live rounds ready to goose step all over. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 2:14:47 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're getting warmer- the first set of links you spammed were all from the first few months of the conflict (April 2022, March 2022, May 2022...) You appear to be repeating Kremlin talking points that you don't fully understand- the angle you're trying to push is: now that we are building more lines and ramping up production, this will take time... and why are we making this huge investment in Defense when the war might be over before 2026 and we'll have all these Javelins that could have been Raspberry Pi learner sets for kiddos in public school. And anyway... it's certainly a very curious take, especially in a forum such as this, that we should not be investing heavily in Defense against our enemies with all of the most effective weapons available... and that they should be used against our enemies. Kremlin talking points aside though- it's an ALL DAY SLAY with bullets, bombs, and bayonets. Javelins are only one small part of the picture. The Kharkiv offensive of last fall had heavy losses for the Russian Federation in terms of both men and equipment, but 2023 has seen improved daily totals from ~500 KIA last fall to ~800 KIA today... without posting anywhere near the same totals for daily equipment losses: https://imgur.com/bmPnxlV https://imgur.com/SRR4DvM The Rooskies are out of vehicles, with no way to resupply them, and on the verge of total collapse followed by fragmentation. That's why we are seeing the T-54 tanks being delivered by rail... and we can tear those up with M993!!! So you still have failed to present a single source, nor a clear understanding of the topic. You told me production lines are ramping up and this stuff was getting pumped out now. It isn't, and I proved it. Ah yes, the 8 different sources I provided to you proving you were wrong were all spewing "pootin talking points", lol. That must be it, they are all just in on it and support Russia. The sources from a month ago must also be in on it as well.  You absolutely missed the point in that we won't even be able to START replacing our stockpiles (not even counting foreign support) until 2-3 years from now. It could take ten years to get back to level across the board. I could care less about impacts to school funding, you completely made that up. What I do care about is the attrition of PGMs to our stockpiles that we will not be able to replace if we go hot in North Korea or China. You are correct in that it isn't just Javelins, it's a lot of complex munitions that are in extremely similar situations. Javelin is just an example, (your example actually) and a very easy one to prove your assessments are full of shit, which I did. You also have a very visible misunderstanding of the primary impactors of this war, but here's a hint. Ground vehicles aren't it. This war isn't shutting down anytime soon. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 3:50:03 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you still have failed to present a single source, nor a clear understanding of the topic. You told me production lines are ramping up and this stuff was getting pumped out now. It isn't, and I proved it. ...START replacing our stockpiles (not even counting foreign support) until 2-3 years from now. ...prove your assessments are full of shit, which I did. Heyyyyy- be nice. I'm the one talking truth and you are the one quoting worst case scenario/ guaranteed-to-achieve numbers. There is no mystery what happened to our "stockpiles-" we un-stockpiled them, and some guy whose name probably ends in "-enko" used them for their intended purpose- to slay Rooskie animals. We didn't invent or manufacture them to shoot into the impact area, and we also didn't make them to shoot at a mud hut in direct-attack-mode. You claim that production has not increased greatly, and your "source" is a pants-pisser-piece from two months after the invasion. This is not correct at all. Orders are in, production has increased, and that's all I'm going to say. We honestly hope that there are never "stockpiles" overflowing with Javelins, because we want to use them to destroy our enemies, and punish Evil. We like to see LARGE NUMBERS. Walking things back on topic because you didn't like the Javelin example- F-16 will help, ATACMS will help, etc... etc... This is all Good Stuff. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 3:56:10 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You claim that production has not increased greatly, and your "source" is a pants-pisser-piece from two months after the invasion. This is not correct at all. Orders are in, production has increased, and that's all I'm going to say. Quote HistoryQuoted: You claim that production has not increased greatly, and your "source" is a pants-pisser-piece from two months after the invasion. This is not correct at all. Orders are in, production has increased, and that's all I'm going to say. Nope. I provided two sources from last month and this month saying you are wrong. Since you seem to have missed them here you are again. Quoted: Oh look, here is the data you probably should have provided. As of this month the Army working towards deals that could expect javelin production to ramp up....to 4000 a year....by 2026. That isn't even a guarantee it will happen. By this time last year we had sent them almost 6000. That 6000 we are absolutely paying out of pocket to replace, in addition to any more we send them....at a much higher cost due to inflation and market shortages. https://www.defenceleaders.com/news/army-orders-nearly-4000-javelin-missiles-per-year-2026-72bln-deal As of February this year, we're still just starting to hash out the details and running into the same concerns. "Complicating matters is high inflation—which has disproportionately affected small businesses—and supply chains that despite improving in recent months still have weak points. Executives have said throwing money at the issue can only go so far as it takes months, if not longer, to train new workers and get raw materials." https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/02/memo-details-effort-boost-production-weapons-consumed-ukraine-fight/382711/ In addition to 8 separate sources over the course of the whole last year. You have provided ZERO sources, nor a functional understanding of how this process works. You can say anything you want, but its not true. Quoted: Heyyyyy- be nice. Oh right, I should probably be nicer to the guy that just accused me of presenting Russian propaganda. You are completely full of shit and I proved that. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 4:04:53 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh right, I should probably be nicer to the guy that just accused me of presenting Russian propaganda. You are literally parroting Kremlin talking points- complete with goofy nuance about how much it cost to make them for the shelf vs. how much it costs to make them to defeat the Enemy. I'm not saying that to be mean to you- and I'm a nice guy- it's just a fact. I even tried to help get you back in 100% alignment with the messaging from Mother Russia. What other links do you have? OH... there's a pothole at the end of my street and the town won't fix it! WHY! OH, WHY! are we slaying Rooskie animals in Large Numbers while there are still potholes????? LOL. It doesn't matter, and it's not gonna let up one bit. Check the scoreboard: 
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Posted: 5/21/2023 4:06:36 PM EST
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Posted: 5/21/2023 4:10:20 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are literally parroting Kremlin talking points- complete with goofy nuance about how much it cost to make them for the shelf vs. how much it costs to make them to defeat the Enemy. I'm not saying that to be mean to you- and I'm a nice guy- it's just a fact. I even tried to help get you back in 100% alignment with the messaging from Mother Russia. What other links do you have? OH... there's a pothole at the end of my street and the town won't fix it! WHY! OH, WHY! are we slaying Rooskie animals in Large Numbers while there are still potholes????? LOL. It doesn't matter, and it's not gonna let up one bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: You are literally parroting Kremlin talking points- complete with goofy nuance about how much it cost to make them for the shelf vs. how much it costs to make them to defeat the Enemy. I'm not saying that to be mean to you- and I'm a nice guy- it's just a fact. I even tried to help get you back in 100% alignment with the messaging from Mother Russia. What other links do you have? OH... there's a pothole at the end of my street and the town won't fix it! WHY! OH, WHY! are we slaying Rooskie animals in Large Numbers while there are still potholes????? LOL. It doesn't matter, and it's not gonna let up one bit. Lol. Yep, must be Russian talking points spread over the entire media and defense department. We have other enemies, who are actually more important, i'm sorry you can't see that with your singular opinionated focus and ignorance of the topic. I would but you have failed several times to successfully post anything. As unsurprising as that is. Quoted: What other links do you have? I've posted 10 links, you've posted zero. Do you have anything to substantiate any of your points at all? Not that I believe you would be able to successfully post them here either way, as already evidenced. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 4:18:29 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have other enemies, who are actually more important, i'm sorry you can't see that with your singular opinionated focus and ignorance of the topic. HONK! HONK! (^ That's your nose.) BAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!1! But what about our oooooother enemies.... sh...sh...shooouuldn't we let up on the Rooskies for now??? NOPE. The Righteous Slay CONTINUES. Moar weapons are on the way- and daily totals across all categories will continue to improve. ...and Wagner will now step out of the fire and "refocus on Africa" while the Russian Federation teeters on the edge of collapse and fragmentation. Maybe we should take a 6 month pause on AI Development... b'cause... y'know... Terminator? HA! NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. |
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