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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:28:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:29:21 AM EDT
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F22 pilot is lucky the Iranian wasn't equipped in that badass new fighter they have
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:29:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing they stopped F-22 production, we don't really need those and they give our guys an unfair advantage.   |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:31:03 AM EDT
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I thought they had stopped flying US aircraft?
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:31:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how would an American pilot know what frequency to dial up the Iranian pilot? Is none of that stuff encrypted? It's called Guard frequency. 243.0 UHF. The emergency frequency, just for this sort of thing. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:32:21 AM EDT
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Nice to know we are "escorting" our $3.2M predator pieces of shit with $200M raptors or $80M hornets.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:33:01 AM EDT
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I bet the cockpit of that Iranian F-4 smelled like shit after that hop. And before. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:33:25 AM EDT
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Damn! Bad ass lol.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:34:50 AM EDT
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so did he say this in English or Farsi? and the Iranian pilot understood it?
bs meter etc. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:34:57 AM EDT
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F22 pilot is lucky the Iranian wasn't equipped in that badass new fighter they have
http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/files/q313-1.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/12/article-2277412-175E4B9A000005DC-761_634x422.jpg http://cs402923.userapi.com/v402923715/3ec6/R2oTDgqmuLQ.jpg "Oh look mommy, I've got my big kid aeroplane toy! Can I go outside and use it?" |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:35:19 AM EDT
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The Phantom made it's first actual flight in early 1958...
Most likely the pilots and designers were driving '57 Chevys as the latest hot fast car... Think About that comparing the F-4 (Ugly but Tough & Dependable as a 1950's mac truck) to F-22 (state of the art) |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:35:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:35:46 AM EDT
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Awesome!!
I did not know the F-22's were forward deployed to the UAE Glad they are finally getting put to work. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:36:00 AM EDT
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Color me skeptical...
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:36:48 AM EDT
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Nice to know we are "escorting" our $3.2M predator pieces of shit with $200M raptors or $80M hornets. Once you build a better platform for an MX15, let us know... |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:36:51 AM EDT
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I'm throwing the BS flag. I agree. It is a nice piece of propaganda though. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:37:17 AM EDT
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Yep, F4's are LOUD- very much so compared to the '22. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you really fly up behind another plane without them knowing? Yep, F4's are LOUD- very much so compared to the '22. my grandfather flew the F-4 Phantom on reconnaissance back in Viet Nam......i'd wager the '22 would take it no problems... |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:38:09 AM EDT
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"This isn't where I parked my drone"
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:38:09 AM EDT
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? No it is just leadership by Zero. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:39:42 AM EDT
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The Washington Times follows the avationist? neat
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:39:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
F22 pilot is lucky the Iranian wasn't equipped in that badass new fighter they have
http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/files/q313-1.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/12/article-2277412-175E4B9A000005DC-761_634x422.jpg http://cs402923.userapi.com/v402923715/3ec6/R2oTDgqmuLQ.jpg Is that an eight-track player at the top of the center console? Badass! |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:39:49 AM EDT
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Escorting drones with manned fighters seems to defeat the purpose of having an unmanned drone.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:40:33 AM EDT
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It's called Guard frequency. 243.0 UHF. The emergency frequency, just for this sort of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So how would an American pilot know what frequency to dial up the Iranian pilot? Is none of that stuff encrypted? It's called Guard frequency. 243.0 UHF. The emergency frequency, just for this sort of thing. Dryflash, every time I see your Avatar now, I think of this 
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:41:34 AM EDT
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Nice to know we are "escorting" our $3.2M predator pieces of shit with $200M raptors or $80M hornets. I think they were doing a little fishing rather than escorting. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:41:43 AM EDT
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No it is just leadership by Zero. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? No it is just leadership by Zero. nice 
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:41:53 AM EDT
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Yo homie, that my drone?
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:41:56 AM EDT
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I agree. It is a nice piece of propaganda though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm throwing the BS flag. I agree. It is a nice piece of propaganda though. The Chief of Staff of the Air Force said it. So I am with you. More likely would be let the F4 shoot down the reaper, F22 gets a kill. thats a two-fer. Drone gets splashed, and F22 gets its first kill. Instant silverback status for the pilot and in the history books for first F22 kill. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:42:24 AM EDT
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That's awesome.
'Merica.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:43:46 AM EDT
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Escorting drones with manned fighters seems to defeat the purpose of having an unmanned drone. The UAVs can handle tasks that manned fighters can't... they have nice cameras, SARs and other payloads. When we already have other assets in the area, it makes no sense to risk losing a few million dollars and possibly starting a war because the plane doesn't have a pilot, especially when the same country you're watching has already tried to shoot down another one. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:45:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:45:07 AM EDT
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Escorting drones with manned fighters seems to defeat the purpose of having an unmanned drone. I'm assuming we did it just to get the chance to poke at the Iranians. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:45:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:53:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:54:02 AM EDT
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? Sylvan, you are a glass empty type of guy aren't you. 
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:55:21 AM EDT
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243.0...learn something everyday do they still use 121.5 for emergencies?
I'm sure raptors could pull this off no problem. Pilot of the f-4 would likely be bore sighted on his target and not heads up looking around. I also doubt that he they would have wingmen up in a high cover position watching the leads back. It was an intercept mission, if they thought there would be manned fighters around they wouldn't have tried an intercept. Even without AWACS support 22's have LPI AESA radar that can find stuff and not be counter detected (as easily). They call it clubbing baby seals for a reason, and that was against F15C's and E's. Go back one more generation and it would seem like magic. As far as the English goes, it is the international language of flight but also the Iranian Air force was VERY close to the US military before the revolution, and they are not historically a big fan of the leadership of Iran. In fact they staged an unsuccessful coup in the years after the revolution and much of the officer corp were thrown in jail for years. Case in point, name one other nation that was allowed to buy our premier naval interceptor (f-14). When the tomcats were retired from the fleet they were immediately scrapped so that essential parts couldn't find there way to Iran. Also, look up the KIDD class destroyers, probably our most capable destroyer up until the Burkes were built. Under the Shah, Iran was a very close ally of the US, the Shah was a dick, so that didn't work out so well. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:55:37 AM EDT
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Wait...we're ESCORTING drones? I thought the whole point of drones was to eliminate the risk to pilots. I mean, I get that the F-22 is in no danger from an F-4, but this seems silly to me.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:56:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Escorting drones with manned fighters seems to defeat the purpose of having an unmanned drone. Or maybe they were there to shoot it down in case the Iranians attempted to GPS hack / Steal another US drone. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:58:42 AM EDT
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Sylvan, you are a glass empty type of guy aren't you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? Sylvan, you are a glass empty type of guy aren't you. pretty much. Like an F16 or F18 couldn't do that same mission for a lot cheaper. I mean, it does seem a shame to buy these really nifty aircraft and never use them. but, lets face it, our enemies fly, at best, F4s. can't let them go to waste. I am sure a DFC is in store for our knight in the sky. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:59:55 AM EDT
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The F-22 pilot probably would've felt pretty bad if he had to splash a Phantom.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:00:09 AM EDT
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It's called Guard frequency. 243.0 UHF. The emergency frequency, just for this sort of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So how would an American pilot know what frequency to dial up the Iranian pilot? Is none of that stuff encrypted? It's called Guard frequency. 243.0 UHF. The emergency frequency, just for this sort of thing. Given that they got the F4's from us, and probably haven't developed their own communications gear for it, I'm betting the F22 pilot could contact him on ANY available frequency. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:00:58 AM EDT
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pretty much. Like an F16 or F18 couldn't do that same mission for a lot cheaper. I mean, it does seem a shame to buy these really nifty aircraft and never use them. but, lets face it, our enemies fly, at best, F4s. can't let them go to waste. I am sure a DFC is in store for our knight in the sky. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? Sylvan, you are a glass empty type of guy aren't you. pretty much. Like an F16 or F18 couldn't do that same mission for a lot cheaper. I mean, it does seem a shame to buy these really nifty aircraft and never use them. but, lets face it, our enemies fly, at best, F4s. can't let them go to waste. I am sure a DFC is in store for our knight in the sky. Which is what led to F-117's being rolled out for Panama, right? |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:01:47 AM EDT
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Escorting drones with manned fighters seems to defeat the purpose of having an unmanned drone. I seriously doubt we have manned fighters "escorting" UAVs in the normal sense. There is probably only one or two fighters flying CAP covering multiple UAVs over a wide area. It doesn't take long for Raptor to intercept the target at Mach 1.8. Hell, It could have been scrambled after the F-4 was detected for all we know. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:05:04 AM EDT
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so did he say this in English or Farsi? and the Iranian pilot understood it? bs meter etc. dude.... even IF the Iranian pilot didn't speak English (although odds are he DOES know enough English to understand "fuck off")... Iranian pilot is flying an antique jet aircraft. Iranian pilot has nothing on radar. Iranian looks out his window to see an f22 and the pilot is yelling something in a foreign language. option 1: ignore an obviously upset foreign pilot with an aircraft that uses f4s for target practice. option 2: too close for missiles, switching to guns. option 3: turn around and go home with your tail between your legs because you know you are WAY out of your league. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:06:28 AM EDT
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Where do you insert the quarters?
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F22 pilot is lucky the Iranian wasn't equipped in that badass new fighter they have
http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/files/q313-1.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/12/article-2277412-175E4B9A000005DC-761_634x422.jpg http://cs402923.userapi.com/v402923715/3ec6/R2oTDgqmuLQ.jpg |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:07:49 AM EDT
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Which is what led to F-117's being rolled out for Panama, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? Sylvan, you are a glass empty type of guy aren't you. pretty much. Like an F16 or F18 couldn't do that same mission for a lot cheaper. I mean, it does seem a shame to buy these really nifty aircraft and never use them. but, lets face it, our enemies fly, at best, F4s. can't let them go to waste. I am sure a DFC is in store for our knight in the sky. Which is what led to F-117's being rolled out for Panama, right? eh. First night of the war. Seems like a good use to me. Can't really argue that one. Its what they were made for. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:19:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess 6 oclock low. No radar on F4? Wheres Mach???? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can you really fly up behind another plane without them knowing? I guess 6 oclock low. No radar on F4? Wheres Mach???? |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:21:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Radar points forward. I don't know exactly but I'm guessing it's a 30-45 degree cone in front of the jet. Not that it would matter. It's stealth. If an AWACS directed the Raptor in he wouldn't need to use his own radar. The F-4 wouldn't pick up any radar emissions from the Raptor and the Raptor could just slide in from behind. The Iranian probably wasn't looking around like he should've been. If done right you could pull it off with any of the current fighters in our inventory. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can you really fly up behind another plane without them knowing? I guess 6 oclock low. No radar on F4? Wheres Mach???? Radar points forward. I don't know exactly but I'm guessing it's a 30-45 degree cone in front of the jet. Not that it would matter. It's stealth. If an AWACS directed the Raptor in he wouldn't need to use his own radar. The F-4 wouldn't pick up any radar emissions from the Raptor and the Raptor could just slide in from behind. The Iranian probably wasn't looking around like he should've been. If done right you could pull it off with any of the current fighters in our inventory. |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:22:02 AM EDT
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we have manned planes escorting drones? is that like dividing by zero? First thing that hit me also... |
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:22:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F22 pilot is lucky the Iranian wasn't equipped in that badass new fighter they have Thank good indeed.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:24:00 AM EDT
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By no means am I an aviation, or fighter plane expert...
But I would wager that most of our fighters, (and especially an F22...With our missles, and radar capabilities), would be able to "escort" a drone from MILES away. In fact, I would assume the drone could be sent into the Danger Zone, with the F22 loitering outside of the Danger Zone. (TOP GUN reference  )
Seriously doubt the F22 was flying around in formation with the drone...Or even within visual range of it. Again...This is just my un-educated assumption. |
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