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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:22:20 PM EST
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Aaaaaaand now my coworker is looking for a cheap used EOTech to buy and flip back to the company. lol That's the line for me. I won't be doing that. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:38:44 PM EST
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That's the line for me. I won't be doing that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aaaaaaand now my coworker is looking for a cheap used EOTech to buy and flip back to the company. lol That's the line for me. I won't be doing that. Same for me. Smells like fraud. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:44:21 PM EST
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I hope L3 gets it together with EOTech. I liked my 512 very much. Easy to mount and use and I liked the reticle. Unfortunately, I cannot use a product that the manufacturer knew had defects in certain conditions they said were good to go. In the meantime, I my refund will be taken elsewhere.
If they come out with another optic claiming to have fixed the issues, they face some pretty intense scrutiny. Only after they convince the EOTech haters of function under specified conditions will I look back to them. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:47:23 PM EST
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So you will wait for results here... THEN wait for a few months?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only noticed my 516 doing this POI shift about a month ago, also very dim even with fresh batteries. Not sure what I will put on my LMT after this gets returned. 
Im going wait a while until some here get their refund, Im not about to wait a few months and be w/o an optic. So you will wait for results here... THEN wait for a few months? you didnt see the lack of refunds on the refund thread? Being cautious, I wanted to see if the refund was going to be redeemable at only certain places or cash it and buy what you want. As of when I posted initially there were no corresponding posts to indicate that something other than a refund to an L3 industries supplier was going to be issued it was all rumor. Look at the date stamp. If you got L3 gift card how pleased are you gonna be? One would be better off selling it at discount at that rate, suffer the loss and be done with it. But its hindsight now because someone got confirmation of the refund,. Ill send mine in, but what is the hurry. All the smoking deals are happening this month not in Jan. Suggesting I spend money I dont yet have (speculation) so im not without an optic.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:47:55 PM EST
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I was just called by EOTECH.
They did not leave a message. I havent been able to reach anyone other than the Accounts department...and I can tell they are not too happy about the phone traffic. ETA: I sent my HHSII in , and it was delivered and sign for by ALVARADO. That was around a week ago. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:50:43 PM EST
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Lol. This will be handled through EOTech, with their name present on any paperwork. L-3 might be listed as parent company, but not as the only company. Also, L-3's products are very .gov-centric. They are not going to give you a gift certificate for their antisubmarine warfare systems. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:58:14 PM EST
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In on the EOTech lottery!!!
Returned a 511 dated 2004 & and a 551 dated 2008. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:00:56 PM EST
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I was just called by EOTECH. They did not leave a message. I havent been able to reach anyone other than the Accounts department...and I can tell they are not too happy about the phone traffic. ETA: I sent my HHSII in , and it was delivered and sign for by ALVARADO. That was around a week ago. Hello hkx3, this is eotech. Do you like fishsticks? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:09:01 PM EST
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Lol. This will be handled through EOTech, with their name present on any paperwork. L-3 might be listed as parent company, but not as the only company. Also, L-3's products are very .gov-centric. They are not going to give you a gift certificate for their antisubmarine warfare systems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Lol. This will be handled through EOTech, with their name present on any paperwork. L-3 might be listed as parent company, but not as the only company. Also, L-3's products are very .gov-centric. They are not going to give you a gift certificate for their antisubmarine warfare systems. Well in that case, fuck them. Shall not be infringed! Antisubmarine operations are very critical here in western Virginia. Between my efforts and the efforts of fellow residents, we've managed to keep our AO clear of adversarial submarines since the late Silurian. But, apparently, that's not good enough for L3? Whatever, L3. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:10:10 PM EST
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Sent my 516 a little bit ago.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:14:25 PM EST
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. I smell fake the zip code on the envelope indicates it was mailed from Texas. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:23:57 PM EST
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Hello hkx3, this is eotech. Do you like fishsticks? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was just called by EOTECH. They did not leave a message. I havent been able to reach anyone other than the Accounts department...and I can tell they are not too happy about the phone traffic. ETA: I sent my HHSII in , and it was delivered and sign for by ALVARADO. That was around a week ago. Hello hkx3, this is eotech. Do you like fishsticks? Assuming Im not ignorant of some 'fishsticks' meme or whatever... What would the need be to contact me, of all people? I sent in one sight, with my reciept, with the original packaging, with all the books, and the price tag still on it. I was told in 3 different emails, explicitly, do not return the magnifier, only the HWS portion 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:42:45 PM EST
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So how is everyone going about this? I scrolled several pages looking for the correct way to fill out a request.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:46:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how is everyone going about this? I scrolled several pages looking for the correct way to fill out a request. Had approval in 3 hours today. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:47:32 PM EST
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So how is everyone going about this? I scrolled several pages looking for the correct way to fill out a request. It's at the bottom of my OP. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:59:08 PM EST
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Same for me. Smells like fraud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aaaaaaand now my coworker is looking for a cheap used EOTech to buy and flip back to the company. lol That's the line for me. I won't be doing that. Same for me. Smells like fraud. Yep. I even gave them the cheap ass price I paid for mine. 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:02:15 PM EST
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Just request a refund for a 512 made in October 2011 for $392
edit to say this was a cheaperthandirt purchase and I stil have my receipt shame me |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:11:09 PM EST
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Has anyone gotten word that this is a cash refund? Not store credit?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:16:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that happens the shitstorm will be of biblical proportions... There will, literally, be a new book of the Bible written to describe the hellfire and brimstone tribulations which would befall L3. It will have imagery so vivid and horrifying that John the Revelator and Nostradamus will be all like "daaaamn, we didn't see this shit coming!" It will be a shitstorm which will split the Earth asunder and certainly mark the beginning of Ragnarok and Armageddon. Those who behold the sight of L3s fate with their own eyes will go mad from the terror which will grip their minds and harrow their very souls. Only the dead have seen the end of this shitstorm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Im gonna laugh my ass off when they keep your sights and dont send any refunds...... If that happens the shitstorm will be of biblical proportions... There will, literally, be a new book of the Bible written to describe the hellfire and brimstone tribulations which would befall L3. It will have imagery so vivid and horrifying that John the Revelator and Nostradamus will be all like "daaaamn, we didn't see this shit coming!" It will be a shitstorm which will split the Earth asunder and certainly mark the beginning of Ragnarok and Armageddon. Those who behold the sight of L3s fate with their own eyes will go mad from the terror which will grip their minds and harrow their very souls. Only the dead have seen the end of this shitstorm.    |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:17:55 PM EST
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I just wonder what they're gonna do with all of these optics. Destroy them? Salvage parts for replacements for those that still use them? Sell some to me for $100 a pop?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:28:51 PM EST
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It's at the bottom of my OP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So how is everyone going about this? I scrolled several pages looking for the correct way to fill out a request. It's at the bottom of my OP. Awesome thanks! Just submitted mine. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:24:44 PM EST
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UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:29:14 PM EST
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UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways. 
Tell them car parts. Just remove the batteries before shipping... |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:30:03 PM EST
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UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways. doh it's a machine part. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:30:41 PM EST
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UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways. Interesting. Did you attempt to take it into The UPS Store? If so, they don't accept gun parts for shipment at those locations, you must take it to the official UPS Distribution Center in your area. I had to do that when I sold a complete URG on the EE and was required to bring it into the local UPS hub in Mesa. I explained exactly what it was and there were no issues. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:33:42 PM EST
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UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways. Go to a hub, not a "UPS" store next time. I am not an FFL but have shipped long guns, gun parts and ammo without a second look. Sometimes the counter guy/gal would help carry stuff in to the counter area. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:36:55 PM EST
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So check or store credit?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:38:13 PM EST
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It was a local UPS store. Didn't want to drive 30 miles to local hub. Lots of construction going on to get to that place. UPS wanted 40.00 to ship with insurance. USPS was only 16.00 with insurance.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:40:22 PM EST
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I also have a 551 NV and used the listing on Midway USA for $469. I was approved today.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:40:49 PM EST
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So check or store credit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
So check or store credit? From page 22... Quoted:
So FWIW, I called EOTech this morning and by way of navigating around their automated phone system, reached a live person who then gave me Mike Krull's name and direct number. Not going to post his number here as that wouldn't be professional or fair to him, but he was pretty helpful. A couple of things:
Hunting Mike down and bombarding him with emails or phone calls at this point probably isn't going to yield any new information and will only slow the process down for him and others like him who are already working hard to make this right. Hope this info helps. BTW, for those of you who are overthinking the "what reasoning should I write in my refund request form?", I don't think it really matters all that much. You probably could get away with "Please refund me as part of the ongoing consumer refund initiative" and you'd be good. Here's what I wrote: "I'm reluctantly submitting my request for a refund as I wanted this particular sight for my M4 CQBR Block II clone build, but cannot be confident that it will remain free from reticle drift or delamination issues down the road. As this is my only home-defense rifle, the sight must be 100% reliable and failure-free for indefinitely. This is a decision I did not take lightly or make in a knee-jerk fashion based on web panic. It is an unfortunate situation all around - for EOTech, for the gov, and for the public." |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:40:59 PM EST
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Lol, there's no serial number on it. Fake
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Lol. This will be handled through EOTech, with their name present on any paperwork. L-3 might be listed as parent company, but not as the only company. Also, L-3's products are very .gov-centric. They are not going to give you a gift certificate for their antisubmarine warfare systems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Lol. This will be handled through EOTech, with their name present on any paperwork. L-3 might be listed as parent company, but not as the only company. Also, L-3's products are very .gov-centric. They are not going to give you a gift certificate for their antisubmarine warfare systems. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:45:14 PM EST
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Lol, there's no serial number on it. Fake Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Lol. This will be handled through EOTech, with their name present on any paperwork. L-3 might be listed as parent company, but not as the only company. Also, L-3's products are very .gov-centric. They are not going to give you a gift certificate for their antisubmarine warfare systems. shucks 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:53:22 PM EST
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Sigh,
RMA sent on my Exps3-0. Not happy about it, really like this sight. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:13:52 PM EST
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I shipped mine via The UPS Store without problem.
"What are the contents?" "Electronic equipment" |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:29:24 PM EST
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Aaaaaaand now my coworker is looking for a cheap used EOTech to buy and flip back to the company. lol THAT shit will ruin it for everyone. When they see that happening they WILL start requiring a reciept. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:30:04 PM EST
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UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways. It isn't a gun part. It's an accessory. Also I would never mention that it is gun related. That begs for theft. I'd say: "Laser driven holographic reflector axial orientation device: Visible spectrum." |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:37:52 PM EST
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I have not shipped yet.
anyone getting insurance? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:38:30 PM EST
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Optics Planet is one of their licensed distributors. That price is correct for the refund. I honestly think you can put anything that "sounds right" there and they would honor it and cut a check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a place to check MSRP's. I have a 551.a65/1 NV model from 2006 and don't know how much to ask for it since I don't have a receipt. Since the 551's were discontinued, they're no longer listed on EOTech's site. So I used the $469, which was the price I found on a cached page from Opticsplanet.com. I don't have the link any longer, though. My RMA was approved for the $469 plus sales tax. Optics Planet is one of their licensed distributors. That price is correct for the refund. I honestly think you can put anything that "sounds right" there and they would honor it and cut a check. Thanks guys! Request is sent and hopefully will be accepted. I'll update when I get a reply |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:41:49 PM EST
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I have not shipped yet. anyone getting insurance? No ins and it gets lost What do you think you'll get? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 9:55:01 PM EST
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No ins and it gets lost What do you think you'll get? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have not shipped yet. anyone getting insurance? No ins and it gets lost What do you think you'll get? i was planning on it silly goose. just wondering is all |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:06:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Did you attempt to take it into The UPS Store? If so, they don't accept gun parts for shipment at those locations, you must take it to the official UPS Distribution Center in your area. I had to do that when I sold a complete URG on the EE and was required to bring it into the local UPS hub in Mesa. I explained exactly what it was and there were no issues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: UPS wouldn't ship my sight. Says it was a gun part. Stupid that they will take manufacturers and dealers money and ship but not from individuals. FUPS! Had to ship USPS. It was half as much through USPS anyways. Interesting. Did you attempt to take it into The UPS Store? If so, they don't accept gun parts for shipment at those locations, you must take it to the official UPS Distribution Center in your area. I had to do that when I sold a complete URG on the EE and was required to bring it into the local UPS hub in Mesa. I explained exactly what it was and there were no issues. Your USPS person is an idiot. You can ship a firearm as long as its a long gun. And optical sights are not firearma and nothing in their rules says you cant. The UPS store can't ship firearms at all. It's not in their policy (has to go through a UPS hub). I've sent back a Specter DR to Canada for repair through the UPS Store without a hiccup. I claimed it was a gun sight so I could get $3000 insurance |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:22:52 PM EST
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So as far as a replacement, I'm trying to stay around $600, so is a Trijicon MRO a good optic, or am I better off with an Aimpoint H1?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:32:42 PM EST
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So as far as a replacement, I'm trying to stay around $600, so is a Trijicon MRO a good optic, or am I better off with an Aimpoint H1? MRO seems to be a tough little SOB... However, it's got some fisheyed distortion going on which drives some people crazy. Why not just get a PRO? It's a great optic, and like $420. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:41:07 PM EST
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I have not shipped yet. anyone getting insurance? I did 500.00 |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:41:08 PM EST
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I am one of those, approved to send the whole package in. No idea what I am going to replace it with Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the EXPS2-2 Holographic Hybrid Sight II (HHS II) which includes the G33 3X Magnifier? Do they refund the whole set or just the EXPS2-2? If I return my EXPS2-2 then I definitely wont keep the G33 magnifier
Optic only Other people have reported getting refunds on the set. I'd ask for it if you don't want to keep the magnifier. But it probably is a good magnifier... Stick it behind an Aimpoint. I am one of those, approved to send the whole package in. No idea what I am going to replace it with I really like my HHS II but I think I will return the set since they are mounted on my HD AR I don't want to take any chance
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:52:33 PM EST
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3 days ago they responded to my initial request asking for the serial number and how much I paid. Send them that and they have gone silent ever since. Shot them an email this morning and have still not heard back.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:55:10 PM EST
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MRO seems to be a tough little SOB... However, it's got some fisheyed distortion going on which drives some people crazy. Why not just get a PRO? It's a great optic, and like $420. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So as far as a replacement, I'm trying to stay around $600, so is a Trijicon MRO a good optic, or am I better off with an Aimpoint H1? MRO seems to be a tough little SOB... However, it's got some fisheyed distortion going on which drives some people crazy. Why not just get a PRO? It's a great optic, and like $420. They can be had under $400 many places.just look around. Great optic. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:56:43 PM EST
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MRO seems to be a tough little SOB... However, it's got some fisheyed distortion going on which drives some people crazy. Why not just get a PRO? It's a great optic, and like $420. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So as far as a replacement, I'm trying to stay around $600, so is a Trijicon MRO a good optic, or am I better off with an Aimpoint H1? MRO seems to be a tough little SOB... However, it's got some fisheyed distortion going on which drives some people crazy. Why not just get a PRO? It's a great optic, and like $420. I have a pro on another ar, was looking to go a little smaller. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:57:29 PM EST
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Does aimpoint make anything with a 1moa dot or is 2moa the smallest?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 10:58:57 PM EST
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3 days ago they responded to my initial request asking for the serial number and how much I paid. Send them that and they have gone silent ever since. Shot them an email this morning and have still not heard back. Just submit another RMA via their website with all the information to include the price you paid. |
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