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Are you even .gov? If not, why should you care? How many people are using optics that aren't marketed for military/law enforcement use on their carbines and rifles anyways? Yet, they probably come in here to take a shit. With the 5 EoTechs Iv'e owned, and the numerous other's I've used, my experience is the opposite as the 87% of people in here claiming their shit the bed upon opening the box. I've beat them. I've dunked them. Ive used them in hot and cold weather. Funny, I was still able to shoot POA/POI at 100 without a problem. View Quote Because if I'm spending >$600 on a fucking optic, I expect it to fucking work. If military, LEO, Joe Blow, and the fucking company making the product admits that there are serious issues with it, I'm going to care. If I didn't give a shit about the durability and quality of the optic, I'd buy something that's 1/6 the cost. Yours work? Great. Tons of people's have problems, and they experience issues with them. That's reason enough not to shell out the dough for a defective optic. |
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence?
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Insinuating *defective* at "extreme" temperatures. We don't have extreme temps in TX. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. People are treating EoTechs like as if Mattel just put out an urgent warning that a popular kids toy they produce is severily defective and will cause serious injury or death. Give me a break. Eotechs are fine. I am sure you are cool with spending $500-600 on an optic that is knowingly defective? Bro....I have an ncstar scope that you would fucking LOVE. Only $400. Insinuating *defective* at "extreme" temperatures. We don't have extreme temps in TX. You can't read, can you? They can have drifting zero at 32 degrees. Hardly extreme. They lose their nitrogen purging and suck in humid air even at indoor air conditioned temps. And an optic left in a vehicle in Texas certainly can reach extreme temps. You must work for EOTech. |
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Quoted: Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? View Quote Aren't LED diodes sensitive to temperatures? As such what would claim the failures of Eotechs holding zeros? |
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Sure you aren't. I mean, the contrarian posts, the join date, the username, etc. Totally not a retread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pretty far off the mark. Never had an account here but you get a gold star for effort. Sure you aren't. I mean, the contrarian posts, the join date, the username, etc. Totally not a retread. 500 posts in a month for a new guy? Definitely familiar. |
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Pretty far off the mark. Never had an account here but you get a gold star for effort. Sure you aren't. I mean, the contrarian posts, the join date, the username, etc. Totally not a retread. 500 posts in a month for a new guy? Definitely familiar. Notice his name is also very similar to a prolific poster, and since he's started posting here it's as if he's been posting here for years. |
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? Aren't LED diodes sensitive to temperatures? As such what would claim the failures of Eotechs holding zeros? I guess they are, but doesnt the problem seem to be that the sights were not properly sealed, therefore temperature extremes would effect them more rapidly? |
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Are you even .gov? If not, why should you care? How many people are using optics that aren't marketed for military/law enforcement use on their carbines and rifles anyways? Yet, they probably come in here to take a shit. With the 5 EoTechs Iv'e owned, and the numerous other's I've used, my experience is the opposite as the 87% of people in here claiming their shit the bed upon opening the box. I've beat them. I've dunked them. Ive used them in hot and cold weather. Funny, I was still able to shoot POA/POI at 100 without a problem. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. People are treating EoTechs like as if Mattel just put out an urgent warning that a popular kids toy they produce is severily defective and will cause serious injury or death. Give me a break. Eotechs are fine. Even though SOCOMs testing, FBI HRT's testing and through L3's admission that they're not, EOTechs are fine? Are you even .gov? If not, why should you care? How many people are using optics that aren't marketed for military/law enforcement use on their carbines and rifles anyways? Yet, they probably come in here to take a shit. With the 5 EoTechs Iv'e owned, and the numerous other's I've used, my experience is the opposite as the 87% of people in here claiming their shit the bed upon opening the box. I've beat them. I've dunked them. Ive used them in hot and cold weather. Funny, I was still able to shoot POA/POI at 100 without a problem. BFD...I've had one 553 and despite little use it's lost it's nitrogen purge and L3 dinged me for $80 for the repair. After just pulling it of of the safe from where it simply sat since it's repair in 2013 the reticle now dims if it shifts position from the absolute center of the viewing window. But by all means keep rolling them L3 dice, and hope it doesn't crap out on you. |
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I didn't see a field for purchase price, so I was wondering if there was a separate site to use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What website do I go to to iniate a return? I'd try Eotech's..... I didn't see a field for purchase price, so I was wondering if there was a separate site to use. http://www.eotechinc.com/return-authorization-request-form I put my purchase price in both the Description of Failure and Comments boxes and specifically stated in both that I was requesting a full refund due to inherent design flaws coming to light and that I no longer trusted my life and safety to the optic. |
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This thread triggers some members. We need an EOTech Safe Space.
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Whoa Whoa...simmer down a bit, Francis. Maybe back that aimpoint out of your ass a fraction of an inch. View Quote Wait, you're trying to call me out while defending a sight that is admittedly defective (by the manufacturer), who knowingly put our service men, LE and countless gun owners lives at risk. Yet, I need to simmer down? Yeah, ok. |
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Not sure if I should return mine or not. I have a 552 (night vision capable) model that takes the AA batteries. On the one hand, it hasn't given me any trouble. On the other hand, I could take advantage of the refund and get something more compact. Decisions... |
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Go for it, I went ahead and bout a TA33G after I returned my XPS2-2.
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Quoted: Speaking of triggers, if anybody wants a free Aimpoint M68, my old one is in the Anchorage landfill somewhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This thread triggers some members. We beed an EOTech Safe Space. Speaking of triggers, if anybody wants a free Aimpoint M68, my old one is in the Anchorage landfill somewhere. Was it the one mounted to an AK? |
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Guess I'll pick up an Aimpoint T-2 to go with the M-2 that's still working that was purchased at about the same time as the EOTech 553.
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Hmm. Not sure if I should return mine or not. I have a 552 (night vision capable) model that takes the AA batteries. On the one hand, it hasn't given me any trouble. On the other hand, I could take advantage of the refund and get something more compact. Decisions... View Quote Are you SURE it's not crapping out? Turn the brightness down to a level you would use outdoors at night and move the reticle to all four sides of the window. If it severely dims out before reaching the edge or gets blurry before reaching the edge it is already exhibiting symptoms and will only get worse. You obviously need to be able to operate the sight reliably on low power settings and the reticle should not have to be blown out in the middle just to make it usable a quarter of the way into the window. I had a 511 I bought in 2000 that ran fine for years until I stopped using it for a couple of years. When I went back to use it it was REALLY crapped up and basically unusable. Fortunately EoTech took care of me on that and fixed the sight. I still haven't checked that one since I loaned it to a friend and I don't think they will replace a 511 on this program anyway. Not sure on that but that's the scuttlebutt I have heard. |
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Wow. We have some avid EOTech supporters on this site. Good folks too. Wondering how this negligence will sway them. View Quote Above freezing the optic will be fine.....I live in Florida so i guess I could still use it....... Nay, I'll stick with Aimpoint for CQB to 100yrs. Then I enjoy my ACOG for > 100yrds........ |
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Hmm. Not sure if I should return mine or not. I have a 552 (night vision capable) model that takes the AA batteries. On the one hand, it hasn't given me any trouble. On the other hand, I could take advantage of the refund and get something more compact. Decisions... View Quote I'm dumping mine. I like it well enough, but not enough to keep a used sight that I've had for 8ish years When I can get a full refund and throw an aimpoint on the rifle, have a new optic, and know it's not going to go bad. I used to love the eotech, and have defended it for what it appeared to be....but that time has passed. Aimpoint has it right, and I've seen many people actually beat on them enough to know they are money well spent. New current tech optic + Free use of the eotech for 8 years....yeah....I'll take that deal. |
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Above freezing the optic will be fine.....I live in Florida so i guess I could still use it....... Nay, I'll stick with Aimpoint for CQB to 100yrs. Then I enjoy my ACOG for > 100yrds........ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow. We have some avid EOTech supporters on this site. Good folks too. Wondering how this negligence will sway them. Above freezing the optic will be fine.....I live in Florida so i guess I could still use it....... Nay, I'll stick with Aimpoint for CQB to 100yrs. Then I enjoy my ACOG for > 100yrds........ I've been trying out the Bushnell 1-4 lit reticle scope with throw lever for a few months. Does CQB well and allows me to ratchet to 4x and have 300,400,500 BDC. I have windage tables printed on my stock that work well with the 1/10 moa clicks. So far I like it a lot. |
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Any issues with secondhand owners? I'm assuming if you have all the original paperwork, it's all good.
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I had an EXPS3-0 and loved it,with all of these problems I tried the Trijicon MRO,hated it with a passion for the optical shift and distortion, tried the Aimpoint T2 and didn't like the small tube for cowitnessing irons and the slight optical shift,the M4S I tried was better than the T2 but still had the optical shift,the Leupold LCO had the most crisp dot but had a weird optical distortion to it. The best one I've tried is the Mepro RDS,absolutely no magnification, fish eye,tint, or optical distortion. It is the best red dot on the market given its price,durability, and feature set. If you like the Eotech style lens this is the sight for you! I picked up an M5 to go with my RDS during the 30% off sale.
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Quoted: Different reasons for the hate. My eotech has been fine. Both on personally owned and patrol rifles. I don't hate my Dodge because their fenders used to rust View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1810571_Uncle_Sam_is_lawsuit_against_L3_over_EoTech_sights_for_fraud.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812935_So_with_all_this_stuff_coming_out_about_eotech.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812976_EOTech__flawed_holographic_rifle_sights.html&light=eotech Meh, none of those threads appeared to really detail the document I posted in the OP which is pretty damning. From what I'm seeing in the court filing, the issues with Eotech products will also effect even normal civilian end users who don't really subject their weapons to extreme conditions/environments. Every single one of their tests saw nearly every sight they produce fail the "moisture seal test" even when they were only subjected to sitting in a box. I can't believe with all the chants of "Fuck Troy" here, we don't see a peep about Eotech who has been knowingly defrauding/selling defective products to the consumer market (as well as their government customers) for nearly a decade. Different reasons for the hate. My eotech has been fine. Both on personally owned and patrol rifles. I don't hate my Dodge because their fenders used to rust |
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So it wasn't my shooting that is missing the targets since 2008. I want them to refund my ammo.
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BFD...I've had one 553 and despite little use it's lost it's nitrogen purge and L3 dinged me for $80 for the repair. After just pulling it of of the safe from where it simply sat since it's repair in 2013 the reticle now dims if it shifts position from the absolute center of the viewing window. But by all means keep rolling them L3 dice, and hope it doesn't crap out on you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. People are treating EoTechs like as if Mattel just put out an urgent warning that a popular kids toy they produce is severily defective and will cause serious injury or death. Give me a break. Eotechs are fine. Even though SOCOMs testing, FBI HRT's testing and through L3's admission that they're not, EOTechs are fine? Are you even .gov? If not, why should you care? How many people are using optics that aren't marketed for military/law enforcement use on their carbines and rifles anyways? Yet, they probably come in here to take a shit. With the 5 EoTechs Iv'e owned, and the numerous other's I've used, my experience is the opposite as the 87% of people in here claiming their shit the bed upon opening the box. I've beat them. I've dunked them. Ive used them in hot and cold weather. Funny, I was still able to shoot POA/POI at 100 without a problem. BFD...I've had one 553 and despite little use it's lost it's nitrogen purge and L3 dinged me for $80 for the repair. After just pulling it of of the safe from where it simply sat since it's repair in 2013 the reticle now dims if it shifts position from the absolute center of the viewing window. But by all means keep rolling them L3 dice, and hope it doesn't crap out on you. How do you tell if its lost its nitrogen purge? |
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Went ahead and pulled the trigger on a replacement and picked up a Trijicon Reflex 1x42mm before I've even had my refund approved by EOTech.
Did some reading on the Mepro and the Trijicon. Even though the Reflex is more expensive, I like the tritium illumination and larger objective. Also, has better aftermarket support (like LaRue mount) than the Mepro. The Mepro definitely seems like a good, less expensive option though. |
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Went ahead and pulled the trigger on a replacement and picked up a Trijicon Reflex 1x42mm before I've even had my refund approved by EOTech. Did some reading on the Mepro and the Trijicon. Even though the Reflex is more expensive, I like the tritium illumination and larger objective. Also, has better aftermarket support (like LaRue mount) than the Mepro. The Mepro definitely seems like a good, less expensive option though. View Quote I had a mepro 21 but sold it because I just couldn't shoot it during the day if it was extremely bright out. I thought the mepro has tritium and a fiber optic collector also? |
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Went ahead and pulled the trigger on a replacement and picked up a Trijicon Reflex 1x42mm before I've even had my refund approved by EOTech. Did some reading on the Mepro and the Trijicon. Even though the Reflex is more expensive, I like the tritium illumination and larger objective. Also, has better aftermarket support (like LaRue mount) than the Mepro. The Mepro definitely seems like a good, less expensive option though. I had a mepro 21 but sold it because I just couldn't shoot it during the day if it was extremely bright out. I thought the mepro has tritium and a fiber optic collector also? Yeah, you're right. For some reason I was thinking it was fiber and LED. Went back and double checked and it is indeed fiber and tritium with the LED module as an add-on. |
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Since the link is gone from the OP can I just use the EoTech RMA webpage? Will that work? I have a 552 that makes the batteries disconnect after a couple dozen rounds and a newer XPS that I no longer trust after this, but nothing is wrong with it yet as very few rounds have been used on it. You can use the RMA page. Go to the thread I linked at the bottom of the OP and click over to page 6. A little ways down the page, someone posted a "how-to" for the RMA page to request a refund. Thanks. I filled out the form and got an email that says my refund is approved within a couple of hours. |
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Thank you OP. I really prefer the "reticle" on the EOTech's but digging into the links, mine are starting to show and just said screw it, applied for full refund this morning and received it this afternoon on all of them.
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Since the link is gone from the OP can I just use the EoTech RMA webpage? Will that work? I have a 552 that makes the batteries disconnect after a couple dozen rounds and a newer XPS that I no longer trust after this, but nothing is wrong with it yet as very few rounds have been used on it. You can use the RMA page. Go to the thread I linked at the bottom of the OP and click over to page 6. A little ways down the page, someone posted a "how-to" for the RMA page to request a refund. Thanks. I filled out the form and got an email that says my refund is approved within a couple of hours. Did you to show proof of purchase I presume with a receipt? Original box as well? |
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This is the first I'm seeing of it but holy fuck, that's bad on Eotech.
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? View Quote I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours |
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Since the link is gone from the OP can I just use the EoTech RMA webpage? Will that work? I have a 552 that makes the batteries disconnect after a couple dozen rounds and a newer XPS that I no longer trust after this, but nothing is wrong with it yet as very few rounds have been used on it. You can use the RMA page. Go to the thread I linked at the bottom of the OP and click over to page 6. A little ways down the page, someone posted a "how-to" for the RMA page to request a refund. Thanks. I filled out the form and got an email that says my refund is approved within a couple of hours. Did you to show proof of purchase I presume with a receipt? Original box as well? No I just followed the directions in the thread the OP linked to and told them how much I paid for it. They are even refunding the sales tax that I asked for and and extra $15 for shipping to them. |
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I want to know if other red dots have a POI shift in the winter and fail due to moisture too.
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours When did you submit yours if you don't mind me asking? |
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours When did you submit yours if you don't mind me asking? about noon eastern. today Time flies, I guess it took about 4 hours |
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours When did you submit yours if you don't mind me asking? about noon eastern. today Time flies, I guess it took about 4 hours Sent mine in about the same time and the only thing I got so far is a subscription confirmation for email deals . |
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[ View Quote Lol. I thought ML showed his ass way more in that thread. In fact, I cancelled my order for a Stealth barrel because of his shitty antics. I'm sure he doesn't give a shit but I felt better As for Eotech, I've never really been a fan but hearing this makes me think I'm glad I have Aimpoints. |
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