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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:49:43 PM EST
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I looked long and hard at an EOtech when I got my first AR a couple years ago but it didn't look right when I looked through it(astigmatism). I ended up going with an aimpoint PRO and later upgraded to a compm4s. Glad hindsite doesn't have to be 20/20 this time as it often does for me. I was real close to just dealing with the starburst because I was listening to a bunch of people sing the praises of eotechs at the lgs
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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:54:37 PM EST
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours When did you submit yours if you don't mind me asking? about noon eastern. today Time flies, I guess it took about 4 hours Sent mine in about the same time and the only thing I got so far is a subscription confirmation for email deals .Same here, I submitted mine last night around 9:30pm, the only thing I received was email subscription notice. Mine is for a 553, what model is yours for? |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:55:56 PM EST
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Well, did two RMAs online for my delaminated sights. I'll post back any responses and timeline events so others have more info in case they decide to RMA. Now just have to start researching what to buy for replacements. Looks like the consensus is Aimpoint if I want a no-BS it's just gonna work for a long time sight. If I go that route, I'll be sending some money Larue's way. I have one of their M68 mounts for my TriPower and love it. Always returns to zero close enough for 6" steel at 300. Replying to my own post so people can follow it easily. I submitted RMAs for my two sights that show delamination. Like Mach, positive response in about 3-4 hours. I purchased both at the same time in 2009, a 512 and a 553. I was honest on the pricing - could have gouged them but not going to. Here is the text of the response: Hello opnblstr, Your refund request has been received and approved. Please print and enclose this email with your optic and return it to: EOTech Refunds, 1201 E Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108. EOTech will refund the purchase price plus $15 shipping cost as soon as possible. Patrice L. Finney Consumer Support Project Specialist EOTech An L-3 Communications Company 1201 E. Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108 Email: [email protected] http://www.eotech-inc.com ETA: I have paperwork at home but they did not ask for it. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:58:30 PM EST
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Replying to my own post so people can follow it easily. I submitted RMAs for my two sights that show delamination. Like Mach, positive response in about 3-4 hours. I purchased both at the same time in 2009, a 512 and a 553. I was honest on the pricing - could have gouged them but not going to. Here is the text of the response: Hello opnblstr, Your refund request has been received and approved. Please print and enclose this email with your optic and return it to: EOTech Refunds, 1201 E Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108. EOTech will refund the purchase price plus $15 shipping cost as soon as possible. Patrice L. Finney Consumer Support Project Specialist EOTech An L-3 Communications Company 1201 E. Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108 Email: [email protected] http://www.eotech-inc.com Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, did two RMAs online for my delaminated sights. I'll post back any responses and timeline events so others have more info in case they decide to RMA. Now just have to start researching what to buy for replacements. Looks like the consensus is Aimpoint if I want a no-BS it's just gonna work for a long time sight. If I go that route, I'll be sending some money Larue's way. I have one of their M68 mounts for my TriPower and love it. Always returns to zero close enough for 6" steel at 300. Replying to my own post so people can follow it easily. I submitted RMAs for my two sights that show delamination. Like Mach, positive response in about 3-4 hours. I purchased both at the same time in 2009, a 512 and a 553. I was honest on the pricing - could have gouged them but not going to. Here is the text of the response: Hello opnblstr, Your refund request has been received and approved. Please print and enclose this email with your optic and return it to: EOTech Refunds, 1201 E Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108. EOTech will refund the purchase price plus $15 shipping cost as soon as possible. Patrice L. Finney Consumer Support Project Specialist EOTech An L-3 Communications Company 1201 E. Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108 Email: [email protected] http://www.eotech-inc.com My 552 non-NV was a gift a few years ago. I submitted mine and stated I didnt know what was paid. I gave them the current MSRP but also advised them it was on sale. Id be happy with the sale price honestly. This was on a patrol rifle and it scare me to have the thing on any weapon now. We will see how they respond to me. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:58:32 PM EST
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Thanks Jeff. This put me over the edge. I prefer the EoTech reticle over any single dot. Love it. But I just turned in a RMA for refund. So we'll see.
If approved Im gonna get a PRO at worst or H1 at best. But thanks for the heads up. Sucks.  |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:59:05 PM EST
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Posted: 12/7/2015 5:06:46 PM EST
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Hmm. Not sure if I should return mine or not. I have a 552 (night vision capable) model that takes the AA batteries. On the one hand, it hasn't given me any trouble. On the other hand, I could take advantage of the refund and get something more compact. Decisions... 
Just sent in a claim for my N battery model....just in case. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 5:18:58 PM EST
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I asked for a lifetime warranty and got some bullshit answer, so now that I can't find my receipt, and bought it new in 2010, I don't know what I paid for it, how are they going to work that one out? I have zero clue, I know I paid more than I wanted, but I bought it because the reticle is fast for 3 gun. What's the average price paid?
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Posted: 12/7/2015 5:20:16 PM EST
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Wow. And they only paid 26mil for that kind of behavior? They got off easy.
Will be sending mine in if practical. It seemed to have some zero issues back when I was using it, but I ascribed that to poor shooting ability instead of an inherent defect. Maybe it was both. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 5:54:03 PM EST
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Has anybody been turned down for a refund yet? Were they expecting this? The volume of returns has to be pretty amazing.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 5:57:53 PM EST
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this is good news, now I can get rid of my P.O.S. 511 that burns through batteries at an amazing rate and has seen warranty service twice! CS refused to replace or refund as they stated these sights simply go through batteries quickly and you should just store it without the batt's in.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:03:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really hope that they'll take all sights, considering I bought mine used and it had not paperwork/ box with it  Well I answer my own question, got an email right after posting that I was approved. So I'm just sending it off in a USPS box. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does it matter if you haven't experienced any issues yet? Does it matter if you purchased it secondhand but have everything except the original purchase receipt? I really hope that they'll take all sights, considering I bought mine used and it had not paperwork/ box with it Well I answer my own question, got an email right after posting that I was approved. So I'm just sending it off in a USPS box. Just filed for my refund. See how it goes... |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:21:00 PM EST
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Sent my request in last night for a EXPS2-0. No reply yet
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:26:40 PM EST
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So what happens if your optic was once mil property. I bought mine second hand and would hate to send it in just to find out it was mil property.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:31:09 PM EST
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RMA request sent 01 DEC
Response on 03 DEC Sent my XPS 3.0 in for refund today 07 DEC We'll see how long it takes to process... |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:31:18 PM EST
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So what happens if your optic was once mil property. I bought mine second hand and would hate to send it in just to find out it was mil property. You're good. I ran that serial with EO. I've always ran all of my optics serials (Although yours was hard to see) and they told me their saved data doesn't go back that far. Meaning even if it was, they wouldn't be able to tell it was. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:33:58 PM EST
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Since that doc was released...
All my Eotechs have failed... Suddenly ---after all these years of great performance... 
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:38:54 PM EST
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You're good. I ran that serial with EO. I've always ran all of my optics serials (Although yours was hard to see) and they told me their saved data doesn't go back that far. Meaning even if it was, they wouldn't be able to tell it was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what happens if your optic was once mil property. I bought mine second hand and would hate to send it in just to find out it was mil property. You're good. I ran that serial with EO. I've always ran all of my optics serials (Although yours was hard to see) and they told me their saved data doesn't go back that far. Meaning even if it was, they wouldn't be able to tell it was. Yeah it was damn hard to see I am thinking I will just keep it to use on my 10.3 Ris II FSP that Stoner cut down for me though. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:40:47 PM EST
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Yeah it was damn hard to see I am thinking I will just keep it to use on my 10.3 Ris II FSP that Stoner cut down for me though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what happens if your optic was once mil property. I bought mine second hand and would hate to send it in just to find out it was mil property. You're good. I ran that serial with EO. I've always ran all of my optics serials (Although yours was hard to see) and they told me their saved data doesn't go back that far. Meaning even if it was, they wouldn't be able to tell it was. Yeah it was damn hard to see I am thinking I will just keep it to use on my 10.3 Ris II FSP that Stoner cut down for me though. I would bro. I never had any issues with that one. I would just reconfirm zero every 3 months or so (roughly when the seasons/temperatures change) and call her good. Since you're using it for CQB, it's not as big of a deal as if you were trying to take out Terry's at 800m. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:42:36 PM EST
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I'm late to this, but is there a site that shows what the delamination looks like? Or where you can run the serial number? I've got a 552 that's probably 8 years old. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:52:29 PM EST
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this is good news, now I can get rid of my P.O.S. 511 that burns through batteries at an amazing rate and has seen warranty service twice! CS refused to replace or refund as they stated these sights simply go through batteries quickly and you should just store it without the batt's in. lol, I had a 551 that'd burn through a pair of batteries in like a month (OK, maybe three months) even when the fucker was off, and every EOTech apologist here told me I was wrong and that they're the best. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:57:13 PM EST
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lol, I had a 551 that'd burn through a pair of batteries in like a month (OK, maybe three months) even when the fucker was off, and every EOTech apologist here told me I was wrong and that they're the best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this is good news, now I can get rid of my P.O.S. 511 that burns through batteries at an amazing rate and has seen warranty service twice! CS refused to replace or refund as they stated these sights simply go through batteries quickly and you should just store it without the batt's in. lol, I had a 551 that'd burn through a pair of batteries in like a month (OK, maybe three months) even when the fucker was off, and every EOTech apologist here told me I was wrong and that they're the best. NC Star master race.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:59:13 PM EST
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What is a Crane
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Posted: 12/7/2015 6:59:17 PM EST
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Damn I don't see how they are going to stay in business giving out all these refunds. I also doubt anyone is going to plunk down big bucks if they design and release a fixed version.
Best I could see is selling their patents for the general form/shape/reticle design to another company and then shutting down the eotech division entirely. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:12:22 PM EST
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What is a Crane What is an HWS Crane is the Navy's procurement folks at Crane, IN: http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/WarfareCenters/NSWCCrane.aspx HWS is a Holographic Weapon Sight, like the EOTech sights. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:15:16 PM EST
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What is a Crane a jelly donut with a dildo jammed in it What is an HWS Homies With Sexappeal |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:17:26 PM EST
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can someone give me some cliffnotes as to whats going on??
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:19:00 PM EST
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can someone give me some cliffnotes as to whats going on?? studies showed eotechs failed at an alarming rates eotech was like no way this is a feature socom called them out they're offering refunds for their product since they are inherently flawed to shit the bed |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:19:37 PM EST
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studies showed eotechs failed at an alarming rates eotech was like no way this is a feature socom called them out they're offering refunds for their product since they are inherently flawed to shit the bed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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can someone give me some cliffnotes as to whats going on?? studies showed eotechs failed at an alarming rates eotech was like no way this is a feature socom called them out they're offering refunds for their product since they are inherently flawed to shit the bed how do I get in on this refund action? edit: but my 512 hasnt failed yet
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:19:47 PM EST
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can someone give me some cliffnotes as to whats going on?? Crane shoved a dildo up EOTech's jelly donut, so now you need an Aimpoint shoved up your rectum. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:20:22 PM EST
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours When did you submit yours if you don't mind me asking? about noon eastern. today Time flies, I guess it took about 4 hours Sent mine in about the same time and the only thing I got so far is a subscription confirmation for email deals .Thanks Mach! I sent mine in around 2pm EST today for my 552 and like you 56type only got the promotional materials subscription confirmation. Most of the turnaround times I've seen people posting seem to be two days so I'll be patient. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:20:54 PM EST
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fuck it i stil like mine.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:21:29 PM EST
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I figured out years ago that Aimpoint is superior to EOTech. If you use your equipment, it's not hard to figure out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I always buy Aimpoint Right, because years ago you knew what no one else did.  I figured out years ago that Aimpoint is superior to EOTech. If you use your equipment, it's not hard to figure out. Obviously that is different... |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:21:48 PM EST
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I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ive had an eotech 552 since 2005 that has functioned just fine. The issues presented here are clearly disturbing. But i wont be sending mine back as its the only RDS i own. What i want to know is this; if Holosun can put the exact same reticle into a t1 size optic as an LED with a 3 year battery life, why in the hell could a company like eotech not figure it out if not for sheer negligence or incompetence? I have one from 2007 and while shooting it turns off and have noticed a POI problem on winter days. I just got my RMA approved in about 2 hours Damn, I filled out my RMA this morning and haven't gotten anything back yet from Eotech. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:23:04 PM EST
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I painted mine and the s/n is gone, guess Ill try and see what happens. Please let us know how it goes. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:32:34 PM EST
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I'm late to this, but is there a site that shows what the delamination looks like? Or where you can run the serial number? I've got a 552 that's probably 8 years old. Delamination usually results in the reticle dimming as you move your head around and the reticle reaches the outer edges of the viewing window. Sometimes it does it in only one direction, both of mine that suffered from it dimmed in every direction. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:33:06 PM EST
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I got asked for a receipt and where I bought them from...
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:33:44 PM EST
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What is a Crane What is an HWS Google "NSWC Crane" and that'll give you your answer. I'm not familiar enough with them, but I know they at least in part deal with small arms technology for SOF. "HWS" is Eotech's terminology for their Eotech sights, Holographic Weapons Sight. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:34:45 PM EST
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studies showed eotechs failed at an alarming rates eotech was like no way this is a feature socom called them out Eotech finally admitted after being sued that they knew all along and covered it up. they're offering refunds for their product since they are inherently flawed to shit the bed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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can someone give me some cliffnotes as to whats going on?? studies showed eotechs failed at an alarming rates eotech was like no way this is a feature socom called them out Eotech finally admitted after being sued that they knew all along and covered it up. they're offering refunds for their product since they are inherently flawed to shit the bed FIFY |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:36:19 PM EST
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I got asked for a receipt and where I bought them from... Well, hopefully they don't ask for mine. I don't have one and have no idea where I could find it. I don't even have the box or manuals, I lost all that shit when I moved from my last apartment.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:39:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, hopefully they don't ask for mine. I don't have one and have no idea where I could find it. I don't even have the box or manuals, I lost all that shit when I moved from my last apartment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got asked for a receipt and where I bought them from... Well, hopefully they don't ask for mine. I don't have one and have no idea where I could find it. I don't even have the box or manuals, I lost all that shit when I moved from my last apartment. I don't have the receipts either, but I remember what I paid for them and where I got them... I just replied back to the emails they sent me so I'll see what happens. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:45:12 PM EST
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I purchased a G33 magnifier last year. I heard that they aren't offering a refund for them. Will it work with an Aimpoint or do I just have a paperweight now?
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:46:47 PM EST
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I purchased a G33 magnifier last year. I heard that they aren't offering a refund for them. Will it work with an Aimpoint or do I just have a paperweight now? I'm sure it will but just because they won't refund it doesn't mean you're stuck with it....sell it on the EE or egay. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:47:08 PM EST
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I purchased a G33 magnifier last year. I heard that they aren't offering a refund for them. Will it work with an Aimpoint or do I just have a paperweight now? Yes, it will work with non-eotech reflext sights. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:51:14 PM EST
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I purchased a G33 magnifier last year. I heard that they aren't offering a refund for them. Will it work with an Aimpoint or do I just have a paperweight now? Yes, it will work with non-eotech reflext sights. Thanks, Milspec556 and TCBA Joe for the quick answer. I'll look at the Aimpoint T2. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:53:35 PM EST
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Since that doc was released... All my Eotechs have failed... Suddenly ---after all these years of great performance...
I'm skeered...
Kind of have to agree with this...All this panic kind of had me freaking out about my XPS2-0 (still am a bit). Went back and looked through threads from 2010-2014 to see if i missed something when searching for the best optic for my particular needs and saw a lot of love for EO and how aimpoint and EOs were "personal preference ". I do not agree with how they conducted business and bad business practice is sometimes alone a good enough reason to jump ship. However I dont agree that EOs are now NCstars or whatever other $30.00 optic you want to compare it to. I have nothing against other optic manufacturers just prefer the lense and reticle of the EO. Kinda sucks a company would do this and bums me out as a consumer. Im going to keep an eye on the thread, im 50/50 on turning mine in. Problem is there isn't much else on the front I like... |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:54:40 PM EST
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Anybody have a link on where to proceed with this? How long are they saying a refund will take? Also how are they doing it? I don't have a cc and paid cash locally. They gave me a cheap receipt where the ink fades but still has the pricw tag on it.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:57:08 PM EST
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Kind of have to agree with this...All this panic kind of had me freaking out about my XPS2-0 (still am a bit). Went back and looked through threads from 2010-2014 to see if i missed something when searching for the best optic for my particular needs and saw a lot of love for EO and how aimpoint and EOs were "personal preference ". I do not agree with how they conducted business and bad business practice is sometimes alone a good enough reason to jump ship. However I dont agree that EOs are now NCstars or whatever other $30.00 optic you want to compare it to. I have nothing against other optic manufacturers just prefer the lense and reticle of the EO. Kinda sucks a company would do this and bums me out as a consumer. Im going to keep an eye on the thread, im 50/50 on turning mine in. Problem is there isn't much else on the front I like... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since that doc was released... All my Eotechs have failed... Suddenly ---after all these years of great performance...
I'm skeered...
Kind of have to agree with this...All this panic kind of had me freaking out about my XPS2-0 (still am a bit). Went back and looked through threads from 2010-2014 to see if i missed something when searching for the best optic for my particular needs and saw a lot of love for EO and how aimpoint and EOs were "personal preference ". I do not agree with how they conducted business and bad business practice is sometimes alone a good enough reason to jump ship. However I dont agree that EOs are now NCstars or whatever other $30.00 optic you want to compare it to. I have nothing against other optic manufacturers just prefer the lense and reticle of the EO. Kinda sucks a company would do this and bums me out as a consumer. Im going to keep an eye on the thread, im 50/50 on turning mine in. Problem is there isn't much else on the front I like... Mostly turning mine in because I want something new. If they actually fix the zero/nitrogen/etc issues, the next gen EOTechs should be damn fine products. Who knows, maybe they'll even improve battery life. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 7:58:57 PM EST
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Damn I don't see how they are going to stay in business giving out all these refunds. I also doubt anyone is going to plunk down big bucks if they design and release a fixed version. Best I could see is selling their patents for the general form/shape/reticle design to another company and then shutting down the eotech division entirely. IIRC, one or more patents will be due for expiration shortly. Wonder if they'll sell them or just keep maintaining the devalued IP now. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 8:05:31 PM EST
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I'm late to this, but is there a site that shows what the delamination looks like? Or where you can run the serial number? I've got a 552 that's probably 8 years old. Here's a YT vid: Note he drops the brightness like you would at night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LsIr-JIyzU |
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