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It makes too much sense, which must be the actual reason the FAA declined that option. Their stated reason was that they couldn't guarantee the database of the AMA wouldn't have errors or duplicate numbers. As if various government agency databases are all that accurate. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I would trust the currency of the AMA database long before I would this FAA one. Who is going to update their address with the FAA for their toys? |
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Next time I'm at work, I'll mention that to the 140 people sitting behind me. I doubt they would share your opinion. If people had acted responsibly with their "toys" we wouldn't be here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you put your name and address on the drone, instead of in a registration database, they would be able to trace the owner a lot faster than having to first enter a number into a computer to pull up the same name and address. And in the event thee drone gets sucked into a jet engine and destroyed along with all traces of the name and address, a registration number would certainly be destroyed as well. Either way, you have no way of tracing the owner. Which one makes more sense and costs taxpayers less? What penalties are in place if they don't put their name and address on the drone under your suggestion? Quoted:
...... as for you pilots, life is risky. deal with it. That's one of the most retarded things I keep seeing posted here There are some people here who seem to think that nothing should ever ben done to take steps to minimize dangers and issues on any topic Mitigate your own risks. Don't limit what others are allowed to do based on what you choose to do. Life's hard, get a helmet. Next time I'm at work, I'll mention that to the 140 people sitting behind me. I doubt they would share your opinion. If people had acted responsibly with their "toys" we wouldn't be here. And that's the same issue we deal with fighting gun control!! How many of these RC things are out there? What is the percentage of people that use them responsibly vs the amount of people that don't? I don't own any RC stuff,but am vehemently against any kind of registration. |
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Mitigate your own risks. Don't limit what others are allowed to do based on what you choose to do. Life's hard, get a helmet. View Quote So a pilot of a commercial aircraft with dozens or more passengers should just "mitigate hos own risks" when dealing with this sort of problem? Why? |
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And that's the same issue we deal with fighting gun control!! How many of these RC things are out there? What is the percentage of people that use them responsibly vs the amount of people that don't? I don't own any RC stuff,but am vehemently against any kind of registration. View Quote I wasn't aware that flying RC drones was a Constitutional right. Maybe that was one of those amendments that never got approved when they passed the first 10 So. I guess NOT the same after all. |
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I wasn't aware that flying RC drones was a Constitutional right. Maybe that was one of those amendments that never got approved when they passed the first 10 So. I guess NOT the same after all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And that's the same issue we deal with fighting gun control!! How many of these RC things are out there? What is the percentage of people that use them responsibly vs the amount of people that don't? I don't own any RC stuff,but am vehemently against any kind of registration. I wasn't aware that flying RC drones was a Constitutional right. Maybe that was one of those amendments that never got approved when they passed the first 10 So. I guess NOT the same after all. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Truthfully the FAA and FCC should have been amendments to give the feds the authority to legislate these areas. |
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Truthfully the FAA and FCC should have been amendments to give the feds the authority to legislate these areas. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And that's the same issue we deal with fighting gun control!! How many of these RC things are out there? What is the percentage of people that use them responsibly vs the amount of people that don't? I don't own any RC stuff,but am vehemently against any kind of registration. I wasn't aware that flying RC drones was a Constitutional right. Maybe that was one of those amendments that never got approved when they passed the first 10 So. I guess NOT the same after all. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Truthfully the FAA and FCC should have been amendments to give the feds the authority to legislate these areas. Control of airspace and radio waves is definitely a government prerogative. Maybe should have been a state-level power instead of fed, but then you have ICC and bleh. |
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Control of airspace and radio waves is definitely a government prerogative. Maybe should have been a state-level power instead of fed, but then you have ICC and bleh. View Quote I think the federal government is the right level for those two activities, but I don't like simply using the interstate commerce clause as the authority for almost everything. |
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I wasn't aware that flying RC drones was a Constitutional right. Maybe that was one of those amendments that never got approved when they passed the first 10 So. I guess NOT the same after all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And that's the same issue we deal with fighting gun control!! How many of these RC things are out there? What is the percentage of people that use them responsibly vs the amount of people that don't? I don't own any RC stuff,but am vehemently against any kind of registration. I wasn't aware that flying RC drones was a Constitutional right. Maybe that was one of those amendments that never got approved when they passed the first 10 So. I guess NOT the same after all. And how is the 2nd working out in NY? Do you think that any freedom not spelled out in the Constitution is open to having the gov regulate the shit out of it? For "safety" or "the children"? |
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Again, I don't support this plan. But wag's comment was laughably stupid on many levels. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mitigate your own risks. Don't limit what others are allowed to do based on what you choose to do. Life's hard, get a helmet. I'm going to go outside and shoot a bunch of rounds off into the air. Don't like it, mitigate your own risks perhaps a get a helmet. So, let's microstamp your bullets and register you with the ATF, so if one of those bullets you send up in the air hits someone, we can trace it back to you. It'll promote a culture of accountability. -J Again, I don't support this plan. But wag's comment was laughably stupid on many levels. No it wasnt. Your argument implies people should be prohibited from doing something that has a small chance of doing harm to others. I believe people should what ever the fuck they want and IF it harms someone else, then they pay the price. DUI laws are the best example. Drink 3 beers and make it home safe? Cool. No punishment. Drink three beers, and cause an accident? License permanantly revoked. You belive my behavior should be limited due to the possibility of something happening. |
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No it wasnt. Your argument implies people should be prohibited from doing something that has a small chance of doing harm to others. I believe people should what ever the fuck they want and IF it harms someone else, then they pay the price. DUI laws are the best example. Drink 3 beers and make it home safe? Cool. No punishment. Drink three beers, and cause an accident? License permanantly revoked. You belive my behavior should be limited due to the possibility of something happening. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mitigate your own risks. Don't limit what others are allowed to do based on what you choose to do. Life's hard, get a helmet. I'm going to go outside and shoot a bunch of rounds off into the air. Don't like it, mitigate your own risks perhaps a get a helmet. So, let's microstamp your bullets and register you with the ATF, so if one of those bullets you send up in the air hits someone, we can trace it back to you. It'll promote a culture of accountability. -J Again, I don't support this plan. But wag's comment was laughably stupid on many levels. No it wasnt. Your argument implies people should be prohibited from doing something that has a small chance of doing harm to others. I believe people should what ever the fuck they want and IF it harms someone else, then they pay the price. DUI laws are the best example. Drink 3 beers and make it home safe? Cool. No punishment. Drink three beers, and cause an accident? License permanantly revoked. You belive my behavior should be limited due to the possibility of something happening. And your behavior should be limited because someone else did something |
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No it wasnt. Your argument implies people should be prohibited from doing something that has a small chance of doing harm to others. I believe people should what ever the fuck they want and IF it harms someone else, then they pay the price. DUI laws are the best example. Drink 3 beers and make it home safe? Cool. No punishment. Drink three beers, and cause an accident? License permanantly revoked. You belive my behavior should be limited due to the possibility of something happening. View Quote Like I said, laughable. I started reading this and was going to bring up DUI as an example of how this extrapolated poorly then you went feet first in. How would you "manage your own risk" from those drunks in this construct? Furthermore, why in your libertarian utopia would you even need a license to suspend? |
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Mitigate your own risks. Don't limit what others are allowed to do based on what you choose to do. Life's hard, get a helmet. I'm going to go outside and shoot a bunch of rounds off into the air. Don't like it, mitigate your own risks perhaps a get a helmet. lol. If you do that in any jurisdiction in this country, you would be subject to prosecution for reckless use of a weapon or some similar law, and maybe something even more severe. See how that works, you know, punishing the offender and holding THEM responsible, rather than requiring every possessor of an item (guns, RC aircraft, etc.) to register and be entered in a database which can be used for some nefarious purpose in the future, unrelated to any illegal activity by the registrant? |
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lol. If you do that in any jurisdiction in this country, you would be subject to prosecution for reckless use of a weapon or some similar law, and maybe something even more severe. See how that works, you know, punishing the offender and holding THEM responsible, rather than requiring every possessor of an item (guns, RC aircraft, etc.) to register and be entered in a database which can be used for some nefarious purpose in the future, unrelated to any illegal activity by the registrant? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mitigate your own risks. Don't limit what others are allowed to do based on what you choose to do. Life's hard, get a helmet. I'm going to go outside and shoot a bunch of rounds off into the air. Don't like it, mitigate your own risks perhaps a get a helmet. lol. If you do that in any jurisdiction in this country, you would be subject to prosecution for reckless use of a weapon or some similar law, and maybe something even more severe. See how that works, you know, punishing the offender and holding THEM responsible, rather than requiring every possessor of an item (guns, RC aircraft, etc.) to register and be entered in a database which can be used for some nefarious purpose in the future, unrelated to any illegal activity by the registrant? That was a specific reply to wag-bag's ridiculous position. And I've stated several times that these UAV operators should be nailed to the cross. Youtube is full of probable cause statements. |
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Like I said, laughable. I started reading this and was going to bring up DUI as an example of how this extrapolated poorly then you went feet first in. How would you "manage your own risk" from those drunks in this construct? Furthermore, why in your libertarian utopia would you even need a license to suspend? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No it wasnt. Your argument implies people should be prohibited from doing something that has a small chance of doing harm to others. I believe people should what ever the fuck they want and IF it harms someone else, then they pay the price. DUI laws are the best example. Drink 3 beers and make it home safe? Cool. No punishment. Drink three beers, and cause an accident? License permanantly revoked. You belive my behavior should be limited due to the possibility of something happening. Like I said, laughable. I started reading this and was going to bring up DUI as an example of how this extrapolated poorly then you went feet first in. How would you "manage your own risk" from those drunks in this construct? Furthermore, why in your libertarian utopia would you even need a license to suspend? Tell you what. You go your way and I'll go mine. Have a nice holiday. |
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No it wasnt. Your argument implies people should be prohibited from doing something that has a small chance of doing harm to others. I believe people should what ever the fuck they want and IF it harms someone else, then they pay the price. DUI laws are the best example. Drink 3 beers and make it home safe? Cool. No punishment. Drink three beers, and cause an accident? License permanantly revoked. You belive my behavior should be limited due to the possibility of something happening. Like I said, laughable. I started reading this and was going to bring up DUI as an example of how this extrapolated poorly then you went feet first in. How would you "manage your own risk" from those drunks in this construct? Furthermore, why in your libertarian utopia would you even need a license to suspend? Tell you what. You go your way and I'll go mine. Have a nice holiday. You can't leave us hanging like this. How would you manage your own risk of legal drunk drivers all over the road? |
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Do you think that any freedom not spelled out in the Constitution is open to having the gov regulate the shit out of it? For "safety" or "the children"? View Quote I would substitute 'activity" for your use of "freedom". If you're going to engage in some activity of one sort or another the odds are strong that gov't has some rules or regulations on the issue |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/
The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated”Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.” View Quote |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/ The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated”Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.” FTFAA |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/ The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated”Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.” ....like every pilot in the database. |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/ The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated”Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.” FCC records are also searchable. |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/ The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated”Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.” ....like every pilot in the database. .....and every amateur radio operator. http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=3177643 |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/ The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated”Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.” FCC records are also searchable. Which is why I don't have an amateur radio license plate. |
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Always surprises me when I see people, especially on this site, sharing their callsigns online. License plates are just as bad. But it's been that way for years and you don't hear about people using it as an attack vector. If I end up registering I will write my number in a small font on the inside of my model, and be sure to keep it out of any photos I post online. -J View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do you think that any freedom not spelled out in the Constitution is open to having the gov regulate the shit out of it? For "safety" or "the children"? I would substitute 'activity" for your use of "freedom". If you're going to engage in some activity of one sort or another the odds are strong that gov't has some rules or regulations on the issue I keep forgetting that this isn't a free country (although I have a lot more options where I am sitting compared to you). |
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Registration Proponents...how do you square the corners on Ultralight aircraft?
- Ultralight vehicles and their component parts and equipment are not required to meet the airworthiness certification standards specified for aircraft or to have certificates of airworthiness. - Operators of ultralight vehicles are not required to meet any aeronautical knowledge, age, or experience requirements or to have airman or medical certificates. - Ultralight vehicles are not required to be registered or to have registration markings. Part 103 of the FAA Regulations exempt all aircraft under 254 lbs (commonly called Ultralight aircraft) from registration...or even the need for a pilot's license! Which posses a greater risk to public safety? |
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Registration Proponents...how do you square the corners on Ultralight aircraft? - Ultralight vehicles and their component parts and equipment are not required to meet the airworthiness certification standards specified for aircraft or to have certificates of airworthiness. - Operators of ultralight vehicles are not required to meet any aeronautical knowledge, age, or experience requirements or to have airman or medical certificates. - Ultralight vehicles are not required to be registered or to have registration markings. Part 103 of the FAA Regulations exempt all aircraft under 254 lbs (commonly called Ultralight aircraft) from registration...or even the need for a pilot's license! Which posses a greater risk to public safety? View Quote Someone flying an ultralight probably has a minimal grasp of aviation rules and principals. If they dont gravity and inertia usualy weed them out pretty quick. When I was in ground school we had a guy decide he wanted to be an auto-gyro pilot. He lasted a few minutes. http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001211X10309&key=1&queryId=e9388218-270f-4e5c-b04b-9f1ce7744881&pgno=2&pgsize=100 A 4 year old can fly a DJI. Not saying you can not do damage with an ultralight (the guy above trashed a hanger) but you are a lot more cautious when your life is on the line. Wth a toy your give-a-shit is only based on the cost to fix it if you crash. |
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I think this is a good move. These things are dangerous and intrusive. I support increased restrictions to include height and distance limits from operators, prohibitions on recording equipment unless for approved commercial flights, and law enforcement kill switches. These things are far too common now. Very dangerous, plus the buzzing noise is annoying. They aren't protected by the constitution either, so no real obstacles to enacting some common sense restrictions and regulations. Trump 2016 View Quote Are you okay with restrictions on Internet usage, and banning "subversive or counter-revolutionary websites"? Are you okay with restrictions on the media, since they cause far more damage and loss of life than some piddly RC plane. Better register your camera too, since they can be abused. Phones should have restrictions on them too, since criminals use them. See the point? BTW, none of them were around when the Constitution was enacted, just like RC planes, so the Constitution shouldn't apply to them either. See how retarded your stance can look when taken to a logical extreme? For the record, I don't own any of those evil baby-killing, regime threatening devices of mass destruction that we need another bunch of regulations over. |
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