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That is why I asked you to clarify earlier. This thread is crazy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Your point? Better to have them off themselves sooner because the pain is unbearable? Here's an idea. People take what they want to take or what their doctor (who should not have to worry about the government playing nanny) advises them to take. Everyone can make believe they're an adult and do what they want with their own body and not worry about what some other adult does with their own body. A novel concept, I know. Personal responsibility, liberty, and freedom. View Quote |
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So your wife had a patient who was in tears because they were addicted then. Glad to see that person got the help they needed with their addiction... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Or make legit street addicts out of them. Every person and I do mean every person I know that had opiate scrips have been cut cold turkey. We are talking about people with some real pain issues and OTC and Phys Rehab ain't going to help. My wife had a post op patient in her office in tears because they refused to refill a script and cut her cold turkey from Percocet and she had been in withdrawals from opiates for 4 days before her office and the pharmacy got squared away. You are also missing the entire point, the patent and doc determine what is needed not the pharmacy tech. You also don't cold turkey people and instead are supposed to draw up a taper schedule if you want to get someone off opiates without turning them into a street junkie. |
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Doctors: we have this drug but it is really addictive and we are going to control its use. People will need to have to learn to deal some pain.
People: DOCTORS HAVE DRUGS TO STOP ALL PAIN. LET'S HELP UNTIL WE GET THEM. Government: Doctors are keeping the good medication from the people. People have a right to those medications. We will write into the patients bill of rights that anyone who says they are in pain needs to be believed. Doctors: This is dumb. Government: Lawsuits are a thing. People: I am in 11 out of 10 pain despite playing video games and walking around and smoking without a problem. Doctors: Not going to prescribe this. Government: Lawsuits in 3... 2... Doctors: Fine. But this is on the politicians. *A few years later* Government: OMG! Doctors are making everyone addicts! And thus you have the "opioid addiction crisis". |
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Educate yourself. this individual was on long term opiates yes, She also had within the prior 20 days had a multi level cervical fusion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Or make legit street addicts out of them. Every person and I do mean every person I know that had opiate scrips have been cut cold turkey. We are talking about people with some real pain issues and OTC and Phys Rehab ain't going to help. My wife had a post op patient in her office in tears because they refused to refill a script and cut her cold turkey from Percocet and she had been in withdrawals from opiates for 4 days before her office and the pharmacy got squared away. |
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Really? According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality, National Surveys on Drug Use and Health (NSDUHs) between 2002 and 2014 all substances abuse rates were trending downward or remained fairly unchanged. https://www.samhsa.gov/data//sites/default/files/report_2790/images/image_file_2760_BlockImageOne_1580327694.png Source Riddle me this, how is it tens of millions of people annually are prescribed opioids and never become addicted? If opioids are so addicting how come everyone who uses opioids doesn't become addicted to them? Myself, my wife, and countless other people I know used opioids after surgery and, shockingly, not a single one of us became addicts. And guess what? If you run the data you will more than likely find those addicts simply transitioned from heroin to something else, be it other illicit drugs, alcohol, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The whole "opioid crisis" is another stupid left-wing manufactured propaganda piece foisted on the ill-informed and dimwitted by the Democrat Party. It's no different than them focusing on firearms instead of the underlying problem (bad people doing bad stuff). The underlying problem [in the "opioid crisis"] is addiction. If you eliminated all opioids today the addicts would just transition to something else (more than likely meth, cocaine, alcohol, etc.). People need to stop being so gullible and focusing on the inanimate "thing" and instead focus on the underlying behavior. https://www.samhsa.gov/data//sites/default/files/report_2790/images/image_file_2760_BlockImageOne_1580327694.png Source Quoted:
largely because it's such addicting stuff compared to what losers typically got high on (shocker) and because our country is being doused with it like an insecticide along both legitimate and illegal channels to reach as much of society as possible. Quoted:
We had a similar issue with heroin in years past, and it basically died out with its users under heavy cultural and law enforcement opposition (and disruption of overseas suppliers) Tens of millions aren't losers or genetically predisposed to opiate addiction. Many thousands don't even get meaningful pain relief vs. NSAIDs (like me) --that isn't evidence the drugs are ineffective at dulling pain. Many thousands apparently are, though, and since they become unable to keep their addiction *their* problem, it becomes *my* problem. An awful lot of the last crop of heroin addicts died from overdose, AIDS, hepatitis, or suicide (I include death by exposure while homeless in this set). Others are probably still in prison. A small percentage overcame addiction with outside intervention of various sorts. A small percentage of those have not relapsed. No one transitions from heroin to alcohol unless they were on a deserted island with only pirate rum. As with crack, they find sucking dicks for drug money preferable to any other alternative, except maybe violent crime. Those notion they will simoly make do with an alternative is laughable. These guys OD on OTC diahrrea meds in an attempt to reduce the pain of withdrawal (no, the junkies don't all have slipped disks, lol) |
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Who cares? If people want to get high they will get high. Why is it your job or anyone else's job to regulate what other's put in their bodies? Some so called conservatives sure sound a lot like liberals. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is your wife a Dr.? Or even a nurse? I already know the answer. Or in other words, your post is, quite frankly, irrelevant. At best, you are being disingenuous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It CAN be chewed, crushed, dissolved, and ground up. The testing to reach that conclusion has been proven to be flawed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The deal with oxycontin, which was genuine, was that it makes abuse more difficult. It is a time-release oxycodone tablet made in such a way that it can't (at least not easily) be chewed, dissolved, ground up, et c. Doing those things releases the full dose immediately, which gives the buzz that abusers are after. "New growth area this year, shareholders; Opium. People can't seem to get enough of it! We will also be expanding our lobby outreach efforts." |
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Thats fine, but i dont want someone with 5 whole hours of pain management training prescribing my 10 year old opiotes for a broken bone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Your point? Better to have them off themselves sooner because the pain is unbearable? Here's an idea. People take what they want to take or what their doctor (who should not have to worry about the government playing nanny) advises them to take. Everyone can make believe they're an adult and do what they want with their own body and not worry about what some other adult does with their own body. A novel concept, I know. Personal responsibility, liberty, and freedom. |
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Is your wife a Dr.? Or even a nurse? I already know the answer. Or in other words, your post is, quite frankly, irrelevant. At best, you are being disingenuous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Or make legit street addicts out of them. Every person and I do mean every person I know that had opiate scrips have been cut cold turkey. We are talking about people with some real pain issues and OTC and Phys Rehab ain't going to help. My wife had a post op patient in her office in tears because they refused to refill a script and cut her cold turkey from Percocet and she had been in withdrawals from opiates for 4 days before her office and the pharmacy got squared away. Who's being disingenuous? It's very relevant. Look at the attitudes towards people's pain management in this thread. There are plenty who feel fine with telling other people they need to suck it up because...feels. |
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I call massive BS on the SAHMSA chart; homeless in Kali, pot legalization, trends on opiate, alkaloid, and MJ business all speak otherwise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The whole "opioid crisis" is another stupid left-wing manufactured propaganda piece foisted on the ill-informed and dimwitted by the Democrat Party. It's no different than them focusing on firearms instead of the underlying problem (bad people doing bad stuff). The underlying problem [in the "opioid crisis"] is addiction. If you eliminated all opioids today the addicts would just transition to something else (more than likely meth, cocaine, alcohol, etc.). People need to stop being so gullible and focusing on the inanimate "thing" and instead focus on the underlying behavior. https://www.samhsa.gov/data//sites/default/files/report_2790/images/image_file_2760_BlockImageOne_1580327694.png Source Quoted:
largely because it's such addicting stuff compared to what losers typically got high on (shocker) and because our country is being doused with it like an insecticide along both legitimate and illegal channels to reach as much of society as possible. Quoted:
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Many thousands don't even get meaningful pain relief vs. NSAIDs (like me) --that isn't evidence the drugs are ineffective at dulling pain. Many thousands apparently are, though, and since they become unable to keep their addiction *their* problem, it becomes *my* problem. Quoted: An awful lot of the last crop of heroin addicts died from overdose, AIDS, hepatitis, or suicide (I include death by exposure while homeless in this set). Others are probably still in prison. A small percentage overcame addiction with outside intervention of various sorts. A small percentage of those have not relapsed. |
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Quoted: See post below; I know from previous threads here in GD that there are shit ton of GD members that consume massive amounts of pain meds, and there have even been a couple suicide threads that involved members in extreme pain who were still taking opioids. Better to have them off themselves sooner because the pain is unbearable? Here's an idea. People take what they want to take or what their doctor (who should not have to worry about the government playing nanny) advises them to take. Everyone can make believe they're an adult and do what they want with their own body and not worry about what some other adult does with their own body. A novel concept, I know. Personal responsibility, liberty, and freedom. |
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Doctors: we have this drug but it is really addictive and we are going to control its use. People will need to have to learn to deal some pain. People: DOCTORS HAVE DRUGS TO STOP ALL PAIN. LET'S HELP UNTIL WE GET THEM. Government: Doctors are keeping the good medication from the people. People have a right to those medications. We will write into the patients bill of rights that anyone who says they are in pain needs to be believed. Doctors: This is dumb. Government: Lawsuits are a thing. People: I am in 11 out of 10 pain despite playing video games and walking around and smoking without a problem. Doctors: Not going to prescribe this. Government: Lawsuits in 3... 2... Doctors: Fine. But this is on the politicians. *A few years later* Government: OMG! Doctors are making everyone addicts! And thus you have the "opioid addiction crisis". View Quote |
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Quoted: Can you articulate in a meaningful way how it becomes your problem? So what? That is the product of free will. People are free to make bad decisions. The alternative is we live in a police state where some government bureaucrats make all the decisions on what is good/bad for you, and what you can/can't do. If you want to live in a free country that means living with the knowledge that some percent of the population will make bad decisions. View Quote |
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I think what has happened is the street narcotics has gotten out of hand and the government is over reacting and punishing lawful opiod users. Its no different then gun laws. Soon you'll hear about "pain management loopholes" View Quote So I get to pay a price but not being able to get fucking ambien filled, just so we can continue to fail to enforce any semblance of law on the border. In all likelihood, it's recreational drug users, who will usually try anything so when the norco runs out then move on the heroin like its no big deal. And then we see news shows that talk about the alleged pill to needle pipeline. Totally different than someone developing a dependency from a legit prescription. But as usual, politicians feel the need to be seen doing "something", so they fuck over legit users. My mom had knee replacement, had complications, and was prescribed 280 total percocet. She still has five left. To read about it here, that many pills is *guaranteed* to have created an addict. Yet inexplicably, it didnt. |
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No. You are completely wrong here. When taxpayer dollars to to revive an addict at 7am and they are back in the ER by 6pm on the taxpayer dime it isn't a free will issue. If it were we would let them for where they lay. The police state starts by people saying we need to confiscate your money in order for that addict to get treatment which they abuse to help and the taxpayer has no say in the spending of that money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Can you articulate in a meaningful way how it becomes your problem? So what? That is the product of free will. People are free to make bad decisions. The alternative is we live in a police state where some government bureaucrats make all the decisions on what is good/bad for you, and what you can/can't do. If you want to live in a free country that means living with the knowledge that some percent of the population will make bad decisions. |
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This. I think this whole bullshit story about soccer moms injecting smack off the street is just horseshit. In all likelihood, it's recreational drug users, who will usually try anything so when the norco runs out then move on the heroin like its no big deal. And then we see news shows that talk about the alleged pill to needle pipeline. Totally different than someone developing a dependency from a legit prescription. But as usual, politicians feel the need to be seen doing "something", so they fuck over legit users. My mom had knee replacement, had complications, and was prescribed 280 total percocet. She still has five left. To read about it here, that many pills is *guaranteed* to have created an addict. Yet inexplicably, it didnt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think what has happened is the street narcotics has gotten out of hand and the government is over reacting and punishing lawful opiod users. Its no different then gun laws. Soon you'll hear about "pain management loopholes" In all likelihood, it's recreational drug users, who will usually try anything so when the norco runs out then move on the heroin like its no big deal. And then we see news shows that talk about the alleged pill to needle pipeline. Totally different than someone developing a dependency from a legit prescription. But as usual, politicians feel the need to be seen doing "something", so they fuck over legit users. My mom had knee replacement, had complications, and was prescribed 280 total percocet. She still has five left. To read about it here, that many pills is *guaranteed* to have created an addict. Yet inexplicably, it didnt. |
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I am amazed at how "now" do to the "Opiod Crisis" normal people have been become "dopers" and "addicts", when the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY of people being prescribed Opiods by their Dr's have medically legitimate reasons for them.
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I am amazed at how "now" do to the "Opiod Crisis" normal people have been become "dopers" and "addicts", when the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY of people being prescribed Opiods by their Dr's have medically legitimate reasons for them. Amazingly similar to the way guns and gun owners are talked about by certain groups of people also. View Quote |
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So, what would you have someone who is in excruciating pain and has found an opioid that works for them, take? Just tough it out with some ibuprofen? "Oh, you have 5 crushed disks and constant nerve pain? Well, we can't have you taking an opioid. You might get addicted. Much better for you to live in agonizing pain so we feel better about ourselves". View Quote |
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The deal with oxycontin, which was genuine, was that it makes abuse more difficult. It is a time-release oxycodone tablet made in such a way that it can't (at least not easily) be chewed, dissolved, ground up, et c. Doing those things releases the full dose immediately, which gives the buzz that abusers are after. View Quote |
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Sigh, some people don't think a bell curve be like it is, but it do. Yes, in some populations (e.g. homeless) you will find statistically greater addiction rates. And data suggest that in states where pot has been legalized usage rates aren't skyrocketing. So no, your examples really don't "speak otherwise" once you take the blinders off, tone down the confirmation bias, and step back and look at the big picture based on data. Hold on, now you are making the argument that opiate addiction is a function of genetics? So which is it? The drugs themselves are addictive (your previous claim), or its a genetic predisposition (your new claim)? It's difficult to debate someone whose positions are a moving target... Can you articulate in a meaningful way how it becomes your problem? So what? That is the product of free will. People are free to make bad decisions. The alternative is we live in a police state where some government bureaucrats make all the decisions on what is good/bad for you, and what you can/can't do. If you want to live in a free country that means living with the knowledge that some percent of the population will make bad decisions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The whole "opioid crisis" is another stupid left-wing manufactured propaganda piece foisted on the ill-informed and dimwitted by the Democrat Party. It's no different than them focusing on firearms instead of the underlying problem (bad people doing bad stuff). The underlying problem [in the "opioid crisis"] is addiction. If you eliminated all opioids today the addicts would just transition to something else (more than likely meth, cocaine, alcohol, etc.). People need to stop being so gullible and focusing on the inanimate "thing" and instead focus on the underlying behavior. https://www.samhsa.gov/data//sites/default/files/report_2790/images/image_file_2760_BlockImageOne_1580327694.png Source Quoted:
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Many thousands don't even get meaningful pain relief vs. NSAIDs (like me) --that isn't evidence the drugs are ineffective at dulling pain. Many thousands apparently are, though, and since they become unable to keep their addiction *their* problem, it becomes *my* problem. Quoted: An awful lot of the last crop of heroin addicts died from overdose, AIDS, hepatitis, or suicide (I include death by exposure while homeless in this set). Others are probably still in prison. A small percentage overcame addiction with outside intervention of various sorts. A small percentage of those have not relapsed. The remainder of your post suggests addiction is a function of free will, and addicts are only a problem to themselves. OK, then, lol, I think we’re done here. |
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This. I think this whole bullshit story about soccer moms injecting smack off the street is just horseshit. I'm sure the wide fucking open border, resulting is massive oversupply of heroin and fentanyl, has nothing at all to do with increase usage of that particular set of drugs. Nope, none at all. So I get to pay a price but not being able to get fucking ambien filled, just so we can continue to fail to enforce any semblance of law on the border. In all likelihood, it's recreational drug users, who will usually try anything so when the norco runs out then move on the heroin like its no big deal. And then we see news shows that talk about the alleged pill to needle pipeline. Totally different than someone developing a dependency from a legit prescription. But as usual, politicians feel the need to be seen doing "something", so they fuck over legit users. My mom had knee replacement, had complications, and was prescribed 280 total percocet. She still has five left. To read about it here, that many pills is *guaranteed* to have created an addict. Yet inexplicably, it didnt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think what has happened is the street narcotics has gotten out of hand and the government is over reacting and punishing lawful opiod users. Its no different then gun laws. Soon you'll hear about "pain management loopholes" So I get to pay a price but not being able to get fucking ambien filled, just so we can continue to fail to enforce any semblance of law on the border. In all likelihood, it's recreational drug users, who will usually try anything so when the norco runs out then move on the heroin like its no big deal. And then we see news shows that talk about the alleged pill to needle pipeline. Totally different than someone developing a dependency from a legit prescription. But as usual, politicians feel the need to be seen doing "something", so they fuck over legit users. My mom had knee replacement, had complications, and was prescribed 280 total percocet. She still has five left. To read about it here, that many pills is *guaranteed* to have created an addict. Yet inexplicably, it didnt. Me? I’d drop a JDAM (or covertly plant a bomb, whatever) on a Nork, Chinese, or Mexican fentanyl plant, & Bhopal an entire city of human filth supporting those industries, and see if they want to keep pushing the issue. It’s no different than if they were smuggling in Ricin or anthrax, the way I see it; covert chemical warfare. |
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For short term use, ABSOLUTELY. That is not the problem. It is the long term use of the drugs as study after study shows that it is unsafe and ineffective for the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY of people being prescribed them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I am amazed at how "now" do to the "Opiod Crisis" normal people have been become "dopers" and "addicts", when the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY of people being prescribed Opiods by their Dr's have medically legitimate reasons for them. Amazingly similar to the way guns and gun owners are talked about by certain groups of people also. |
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That would indicate the central problem lies with those who do the prescribing. So, your statement alludes to physician being the heart of the problem. After all, if study after study truly shows they are unsafe and ineffective for the vast (to the third power) majority of people it would indicate then we should focus enforcement policies on those doing the prescribing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I am amazed at how "now" do to the "Opiod Crisis" normal people have been become "dopers" and "addicts", when the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY of people being prescribed Opiods by their Dr's have medically legitimate reasons for them. Amazingly similar to the way guns and gun owners are talked about by certain groups of people also. |
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Quoted: Yes, some people are more vulnerable to addiction in general as well as opioid-specific problems, some are more or less effected by the numbing effect. These factors partially explain why some have no issues, why others have terrible issues, but are completely irrelevant to the fact that obviously far too many users have issues for whatever reason. Your argument that "many can handle the drugs so they aren't the problem" is as worthless as me claiming the same about pain. Many can handle the pain, after all (so called "pain tolerance"). The remainder of your post suggests addiction is a function of free will, and addicts are only a problem to themselves. OK, then, lol, I think we're done here. View Quote Free will doesn't factor in the ease of doing something, just the conscious choice to do it or not. An addict will most definitely have a difficult time freeing him/herself of the addiction, but at any given time he/she has the free will to make the choice to start down that road. |
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The physician is prescribing the medicine based on the FDA approved labeling, the blueprint of the drug. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I am amazed at how "now" do to the "Opiod Crisis" normal people have been become "dopers" and "addicts", when the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY of people being prescribed Opiods by their Dr's have medically legitimate reasons for them. Amazingly similar to the way guns and gun owners are talked about by certain groups of people also. |
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Yeah, I can't wait for the Class Action Lawsuit to go through, after the blood sucking lawyers are done I might get a gift certificate for $19.99 if I'm lucky.
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OP, is it your opinion that the healthcare industry is the root cause of the "opioid crisis"? I want it on record.
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Everyone needs to get over it because heroin, opium, morphine, etc are not good long term and they are going away. Period end of story.
I'm sorry the medical industry made you physically dependent on it. It was criminal on the government's part and the pharmaceutical companies. I hope there are massive payouts to all of us for this bullshit. There are answers for pain management but there not as easy as a pill. Some of them suck cost money and require massive lifestyle changes. But they work. The good news is you will live longer and feel better in the long run. |
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Everyone needs to get over it because heroin, opium, morphine, etc are not good long term and they are going away. Period end of story. I'm sorry the medical industry made you physically dependent on it. It was criminal on the government's part and the pharmaceutical companies. I hope there are massive payouts to all of us for this bullshit. There are answers for pain management but there not as easy as a pill. Some of them suck cost money and require massive lifestyle changes. But they work. The good news is you will live longer and feel better in the long run. View Quote |
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So, then you are unequivocally for the same type of restrictions on alcohol and tobacco that you seem to be supporting for opioids? After all, those two products are far more detrimental to society than drugs. What about guns? How many ganbangers get shot up that we tax payers have to pay for their healthcare and time in jail? Perhaps using your logic we need similar restrictions on firearms to control those costs to society. View Quote |
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Yeah, I can't wait for the Class Action Lawsuit to go through, after the blood sucking lawyers are done I might get a gift certificate for $19.99 if I'm lucky. View Quote This lawsuit and what this thread is about is not a class action lawsuit. It's a lawsuit against the FDA where one man is spending millions upon millions of dollars to have a label changed with zero financial reward. |
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I'm quite aware of that, but is the physician not aware of all these studies you alluded to? Remember, physicians practice medicine and make treatment decisions based on their assessment and diagnosis, but that assessment and diagnosis is most certainly influenced by industry best practices and leading research. If the best practices and leading research indicates that study after study shows they are unsafe, then why would these physicians continue to prescribe them? View Quote |
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I have an answer, most of GD would rather take chemicals then use a plant that has no reported deaths. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, what would you have someone who is in excruciating pain and has found an opioid that works for them, take? Just tough it out with some ibuprofen? "Oh, you have 5 crushed disks and constant nerve pain? Well, we can't have you taking an opioid. You might get addicted. Much better for you to live in agonizing pain so we feel better about ourselves". |
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If 60 minutes told me that water was wet and will quench my thirst, i wouldn't fucking believe them, nor would i ever trust water again.
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So, what would you have someone who is in excruciating pain and has found an opioid that works for them, take? Just tough it out with some ibuprofen? "Oh, you have 5 crushed disks and constant nerve pain? Well, we can't have you taking an opioid. You might get addicted. Much better for you to live in agonizing pain so we feel better about ourselves". |
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So, what would you have someone who is in excruciating pain and has found an opioid that works for them, take? Just tough it out with some ibuprofen? "Oh, you have 5 crushed disks and constant nerve pain? Well, we can't have you taking an opioid. You might get addicted. Much better for you to live in agonizing pain so we feel better about ourselves". View Quote But this guy has a point. Some people do need pain killers. Real ones, not OTC ones. No one wants to live in pain. It's too bad that the illegal users and abusers fuck this up for everyone else. Like that new MME (morphine milligram equivalent) set by the .gov. It's bullshit. Some people do actually need more. Doctors are afraid to prescribe anything now because they're worried about what the .gov will do to them. So instead of docs making decisions based upon what they think is best, they have to make decisions on what the .gov thinks is best for you. |
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I'm a chronic pain patient.
I'm baffled that we haven't come up with a better treatment than these super band aids. I think that the economics are the root problem. Big pharma has no incentive to come up with anything better. Why would they? They have an addictive, effective treatment for a variety of diagnoses that have no other option. The perfect acute pain reliever taken as a permanent regular medication for chronic pain simply because nothing else compares or exists.... Opiates print money, and they would even if they did it on the up and up with no shenanigans. (Alot of folks I respect are pushing medical marijuana, but I haven't seriously considered it for my own treatment. I can see it addressing stress, and the stress induced aspects of chronic pain, but a million other medications can do that as well, even harmless ones like clonodine, and certainly benzos or the right antidepressants.) |
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Quoted: I keep seeing everybody talk about long term side effects but nobody actually says what those are? Can you provide links or studies that show what 1 year, 5, year and 10 year managed morphine or opiate use does negatively? Are people just regurgitating talking points or can you drop some real info? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I keep seeing everybody talk about long term side effects but nobody actually says what those are? Can you provide links or studies that show what 1 year, 5, year and 10 year managed morphine or opiate use does negatively? Are people just regurgitating talking points or can you drop some real info? The first site that popped up for me. And this doesn't even get the list started the last time I sat in on a pain class the list was long and 5 years ago pain docs who weren't pushers making a fast buck where freaking out about it. There are corrupt Doctors making millions off this and should be shot. Gastrointestinal issues.
One of the most prevalent side effects of opioid usage is constipation. In fact, studies have shown that 40%-45% of those on opiate therapy suffer from it.[2] But it’s not the only gastrointestinal trouble caused by opioids; it’s only one of the symptoms categorized under the title “opioid-induced bowel dysfunction,” which also includes abdominal cramping, spasm and bloating, among others.[3] But constipation is often considered one of the worst, since it’s often unmanageable with OTC treatments like stool softeners and laxatives. 2 In addition to bowel-related disorders, opioids can also cause nausea in 25% of people. Sleep-related breathing problems. Abnormal breathing while asleep is a concerning issue for those on opioids, especially those on high doses. In fact, in a small study, 92% of patients on a dose of more than 200 morphine milligram equivalents (MME) a day experienced ataxic or irregular breathing, compared to 61% of people taking less than 200 mg and 5% of people not taking opioids.[4] Cardiovascular issues. Long-term opioid use, when compared with NSAIDs, has been shown in some studies to pose an increased risk for events such as myocardial infarction and heart failure.[2][5] This is especially true for those taking codeine for more than 180 days. Hyperalgesia. Opioid-induced hyperalgesia (OIH) is another possible outcome for patients on long-term opioid therapy. In cases of OIH, the patient actually becomes increasingly sensitive to pain. Although it’s not clear how prevalent OIH is, it can certainly cause some unwanted effects, including extreme acute pain after surgery and escalating opioid dosages.[6] Increased risk of fractures. Opioid use is associated with an increased risk of fractures, especially among the elderly population. The theory behind this is that opioids affect the central nervous system, causing such symptoms as dizziness and reduced alertness. [2][7] This, in turn, can result in falls. Elderly patients taking more than 50 MME a day have recently been found to be at double the risk of fracture among the elderly population, with a yearly fracture rate of 9.95%.[2] Hormone problems. Chronic opioid therapy can also have an impact on the endocrine system, causing hormone changes in both men and women. For men, this manifests as hypogonadism, which causes a decrease in the production of sex hormones, particularly testosterone, as well as erectile dysfunction, reduced libido, fatigue and even hot flashes. In women, opioids can cause a decrease in the levels of estrogen in the body, in addition to low follicle-stimulating hormone and increased prolactin. Combined, these changes can lead to osteoporosis, inappropriate milk production and light or infrequent periods.[2] Depression. Patients on opioid therapy for long periods have an increased likelihood of developing depression. In one study, 38% of people on long-term opioids had at least moderate depression. [2][9] Furthermore, other opioid side effects, like intractable constipation, can lead to or worsen depression. [2] But it doesn't matter it's over. |
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Quoted: Addiction gets thrown round a lot and I think many are confusing addiction with chemical dependency. Every person I have known on long term opiate use for pain, after a certain amount of time has become chemically defendant. As in their body will go through a withdrawl cycle after use is discontinued. A person who is addicted will not voluntarily subject themselves to withdrawals if they have a choice. See the difference? Chemically defendant they will withdrawl and go about life and try to figure out a way to manage their pain, they are looking fr pain relief not a high or euphoria. An addict will do anything under the sun to not enter withdrawl stage, they are not looking for pain relief but instead looking for the high or Euphoria which is why they are in constant need of higher , stronger and more drugs. View Quote |
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Quoted: This is idiotic, the scale of the opioid issue is very real. There are suddenly so many more addicts, largely because it’s such addicting stuff compared to what losers typically got high on (shocker) and because our country is being doused with it like an insecticide along both legitimate and illegal channels to reach as much of society as possible. We had a similar issue with heroin in years past, and it basically died out with its users under heavy cultural and law enforcement opposition (and disruption of overseas suppliers) The opium crisis in China wasn’t due to social problems, it was due to a chemical agent that inexorably fucks with peoples’ minds being introduced in large quantities as a weapon. That introduction was allowed because of a social problem, but spiraled into something new from there. The only solution they found was attacking supplier & demander simultaneously, ruthlessly putting to death anyone associated with opium. View Quote |
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