Lefties were abusing Vietnam vets because of My Lai massacre. He said he'd watch cop get beat up and not do anything because he doesn't like them. Do you really see no correlation between the two points?

No

I won't expect any sensible explanation.

A LOT of that "training" budget goes to send admin to week-long conferences and classes in vacation-destination cities.

Russia, China, Nazi Germany....where else am I missing?

We know.....

Not really, If you wanted to call him a commie leftist you should have just done so without trying to be cute with your stupid word games. I got some news for you, there are plenty on the 'right' who have no respect for officer's and frankly they have earned it.

The same reason antifa does what it does. The same reason Congress critters do what they do. There is no fear of repercussions for their actions. They do not fear those they attack or govern. I think a lot of shit would get fixed ricky tic if government, and its entities, feared its citizens. Legitimate, we’re going to be physically fucked up if we do this, fear.

What city was officer potato protecting and serving from this father?

No. It was not my intention to call him a commie leftist.

What happened? Did that mean ol' cop drop the hammer and say "no more molesting kids"???

Making friends one interaction at a time.

what good was asking for his ID gonna do?  It's not like they had the name of the drunk driver and could match it to this guy.  Having this guy's name/address isn't gonna help them figure out if he did it.

And a lot of that training is about asserting control over someone immediately. That's why the 1st thing a cop usually asks for is your ID, even when it it's not required

But that is  exactly what you did, even in your response to another poster that I replied to.

Will this guy get paid?

No just make him pick up trash with the inmates for a week.

Tale some of the freedom he trampled on away.

Don't worry your little heads over this... Its an isolated incident...

Looked like San Angelo according to their patch.

Their coc is a bit different than most... Always has been. Enjoy the show.

Before 2020, no.  After 2020 you're goddamn right.

Did you hit the report button?

I hope I'm misunderstanding your post, and youre not calling me a fucking child molester or insinuating it some how. Right??

It's called a F'ing example. I didn't call him a commie leftist, just like I didn't call him Vet spitter.

lol, no. It serves no purpose, but you already knew that. It is what it is.

Because they have absolutely zero consequences for ANY of their actions...The people of Texas will do the paying....

If you're saying his is a LEO, you're mistaken.

But, I suppose in your mind there is a boogeyman behind every corner.

Might need to double your dose of tin foil for the ol noggin, it is 2021 after all.

“Release him but explain it’s best to give your ID when asked, even though it’s not required”.

Yeah, it’s best to comply or they will beat your ass up and TAKE your ID from you.??

Yeah, just for the record I have nothing to do with law enforcement.

Yeah well your fucking example was comparing him to commie leftist spitting on Vietnam vets as if him standing there watching the police get their ass kicked is comparable. Just own it man, you was trying to be cute and dont have the sack to say what you wanted...calling him a leftist because he doesnt care about the police anymore or what happens to them.

After a bit of thought, I have come to the conclusion that the perp deserved everything he got.... What in the ACTUAL FUCK was he doing at FSAmart?...

There is no correlation between the two and you are really reaching with that one.

Like I said: try again.


No, I would never intervene on a cop’s behalf. They’re not on the side of law and order. They’ve proven it time and time again. So if their gang gets jumped by another gang it’s not my place to get involved, why the fuck would you?

They’ve lost my support. I used to respect them and the tough job that they had to do, but now the profession as a whole seems to have lost its moral compass.

Oh ffs what I did was compare his very extreme comment about watching cop get beat up (maybe worse) and not do anything about it because he doesn't like them with another very extreme example about all Vietnam vets being treated by... some as war criminals and abused because of some horrible acts by other vets.

It wouldnt. It went from looking for a guy they really didnt have a great description on to “show us your ID so we can verify who you are or we’ll arrest you and take your kid”. Scum. Probably ok for them to briefly detain to see if they had a witness that could ID him but they chose to play the “respect my authority” game instead over a fucking ID and manhandle an innocent guy that knows his rights.

I know its a rhetorical question, but run his criminal history and check for warrants. Its all they know. It's step one. Everyone knows you can't skip step one.

It applies to boot lickers, as well as wearers.

No boogymen, just poor excuses for impartial moderation.

Naaa, plenty of aluminum in toothpaste. It protects from the inside out, so the single layer on the outside is plenty 'nuff.

This. It’s like a 12 year old pleading ignorance of where babies come from.

Shouldn’t he be escorting antifa to the D.C. really

If I drove on a highway and saw an officer struggling with someone I'd most likely stop and help that officer. Now, if I saw an officer being attacked after trying to enforce some tyrannical unconstitutional act then that's a whole different ball game.

Under rated comment.

And how are you going to know the difference? Who gets to say what's tyrannical and unconstitutional? Sounds like a great plan.

....damn...

In the spirit of brotherly love I'll chalk this up to my misunderstanding of you using examples of vets being spit on to him not caring if police get beat to death and it being way over my head. I might be a tad umm...bothered by whatever fucking point the guy above was trying to convey about child molesters.

I had a stroke and don't do well with people who play word games or using weird examples that dont seem to apply, 'to me'.

So it's all on me, k? I'm sure your intent was not to compare the guys thought process to that of commie leftist's who despise the police. I completely mis-understood your point, thanks for the explanation.

It's funny how Liberals hate Trump but love Biden that will put them out of business and starve them.

That's sig line material.

Oh cool, so you’re going to be able to tell which one is which from your car as you’re driving past?

Of course there's no way of knowing why that cop is being attacked on the side of the road but I think the probability is very high that he's the victim. To me one example of tyrannical and unconstitutional act would be gun confiscation from law abiding citizens.

No hard feelings.

Well, a citizen would certainly be held responsible for breaking the law, even if it was only one time. They certainly wouldn't be ok with you or I arresting someone that we had no authority to detain. Especially if our defense for doing it was "I didn't know the law". The "I didn't know the law" excuse wouldn't work for anyone else in a U.S. court either, "ignorance of law excuses no one" is an actual legal principle.. Saying you didn't intend to commit a crime because you claim to be ignorant of the law, is not a grounds for defense. The police in this situation had no more authority to demand to see an I.D. or detain this guy than you are I would. I 100% believe cops need to know the laws well enough to perform their jobs. Everyone else I know is expected to know their jobs well enough to be able to perform them without committing crimes, harming people, causing damage, etc.  If not, they get sued/fired. I appreciate the work that police do, but I do not support Jack Boots. These cops were Jack Boots, they walked up to a guy who was shopping with his kid and told him to "Do what I want or I'll arrest you and take your child".
The circumstance that should be considered here is that even though they knew they had no good description of the suspect that had been reported and this guy appeared to be committing no crimes when they first made contact with him, they decided to threaten him, then arrest him and take his child for failing to show I.D...

That type of behavior is uncalled for and I'd be lawyering up if I were that guy. I hope he gets paid and those cops get sent back to training. I mean the fact that they couldn't tell he was intoxicated after speaking with him would tell a person of average intelligence that the guy is probably not the guy they are looking for since "publicly intoxicated" people are clearly intoxicated....which would be why the cops were called or there in the first place. I've worked in and around medicine for more than 20 years and I have yet to see an intoxicated person "sober up" in the time it takes the police to respond to the call, and if they had I'd imagine there'd be no charges to file. This guy didn't appear to be intoxicated in the slightest. The cops even admit that he didn't appear to be intoxicated when asked. The cops just didn't like being told "no" and decided he needed to be taught to "Respect their Authority".  

If they suspected that he was the guy they were looking for they would have charged him with public intoxication and then asked for the I.D....They did not do that. They arrested him for not showing I.D. and when the Sargent asked if the guy was intoxicated they both said "No"....i.e. they knew he wasn't the guy that they had been called about, but decided to arrest him anyway. IMO, these cops were no better than any other Jack Booted NAZI. It may not be a big deal to some, but to me it appeared as though they knew they had no authority to detain him for the reason they had been called, but decided to try slap a false charge on the guy "to teach him a lesson".

its interesting, FTP is not dissimilar to 'defund the police' and black lives matter..

my take on this. a policeman's job is to find folks breaking the law and 'process them'. to begin the process the officer must first ascertain that there are laws (probably) being broken and begin the 'process'. once that train has left the station there is no immediate 'stopping the train'. you are gonna get processed. with some cops the process begins before the recognition of law breaking is fully identified. whilst trying to determine that a law has been broken, someone is uncooperative, the identification part gets thrown overboard and replaced by ascertaining that the victim is guilty due to lack of cooperation. failing to cooperate with a cop is often worse than actually breaking a law and then being 'processed'. the process is likely to be more 'severe'.

if you are black or poor you are more likely than not to get processed. thats the facts.

what is really needed a lot here is a little common sense on the part of the cops. and a willingness to simply cut some folks some slack. but cutting folks slack simply not done these days. its almost always cut and dried. one of the best examples is the guy that was killed in atlanta after the cops found him asleep in his car at the checkout window. obviously drunk and driving. based on the tension in atlanta at the time, towing the guys car, sighting him and making him walk home or get a ride and dealing with him later would have done everyone a world of good. but because the 'process' must always be followed, a guy is dead, two cops are in trouble, a burger joint was burned down, and a little girl was shot and killed during riots at the burned down burger joint.

i dont think cops need to be defunded. but what would do this country a world of good would be to put just a bit more humanity into cop on perp interactions, and a little bit of common sense.

Cliff notes.....Texas is a 'no show' state, you don't have to show ID unless you are under arrest or are engaging in a privilege which requires a license, such as driving. None of the line officers knew this and arrested the guy for a crime he didn't commit. Sergeant showed up though and schooled those officers on the penal code. The guy was released and will most likely sue Walmart and/or the PD.