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Lefties were abusing Vietnam vets because of My Lai massacre. He said he'd watch cop get beat up and not do anything because he doesn't like them. Do you really see no correlation between the two points?

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Cliff notes.....Texas is a 'no show' state, you don't have to show ID unless you are under arrest or are engaging in a privilege which requires a license, such as driving. None of the line officers knew this and arrested the guy for a crime he didn't commit. Sergeant showed up though and schooled those officers on the penal code. The guy was released and will most likely sue Walmart and/or the PD.

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Cliff notes.....Texas is a 'no show' state, you don't have to show ID unless you are under arrest or are engaging in a privilege which requires a license, such as driving. None of the line officers knew this and arrested the guy for a crime he didn't commit. Sergeant showed up though and schooled those officers on the penal code.

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I don't give that Sergeant a pass on this at all, he did the "right" thing but definitely showed little leadership.

  1. After talking to his officers, he should have personally explained everything to the victim instead of having the dipshit officers continue to be assholes to the guy they just violated.  
  2. He should have ripped new assholes when they called the guy an asshole as he walked away.  
  3. You can tell he knew it was a shit sandwich and just wanted to hold on to the bread and not have to take a bite as well.
  4. His demeanor (and all of the other officers) was not: "We really made a mistake, we need to do better"; it was: "fucking guy ruined our night and now there will be paperwork".

Not having any sense of accountability for when you are a total dickbag isn't fixing the image they say is unfair.  Make mistakes learn from them, be humble and maybe you won't have shit like this happen.

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I don't give that Sergeant a pass on this at all, he did the "right" thing but definitely showed little leadership.

  1. After talking to his officers, he should have personally explained everything to the victim instead of having the dipshit officers continue to be assholes to the guy they just violated.  
  2. He should have ripped new assholes when they called the guy an asshole as he walked away.  
  3. You can tell he knew it was a shit sandwich and just wanted to hold on to the bread and not have to take a bite as well.
  4. His demeanor (and all of the other officers) was not: "We really made a mistake, we need to do better"; it was: "fucking guy ruined our night and now there will be paperwork".

Not having any sense of accountability for when you are a total dickbag isn't fixing the image they say is unfair.  Make mistakes learn from them, be humble and maybe you won't have shit like this happen.

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what good was asking for his ID gonna do?  It's not like they had the name of the drunk driver and could match it to this guy.  Having this guy's name/address isn't gonna help them figure out if he did it.

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Yeah.

I have a 4 and 6 year old.

What do you tell your kids after that happens to you and they witness it? How can you tell them with a straight face "you can trust the police"?

"Well cops are the good guys, except for the guys that wrongfully arrested and manhandled your dad, and some other ones are bad too, but not all of them, and you never know which ones are the good ones and which are the bad ones because they all wear the same uniform. You have rights, but be careful about exercising them or you might catch a cop on a bad day that wants to jam you up on a power trip. But if something bad happens to you call the police, they might help you, sometimes, if they show up. Or they might shoot our family dog."

I was with a friend when he had his CCW stolen out of his locked truck while we were at a bar after work (spare me the "always carry even when it's illegal" for a moment). Call the police, "someone will call you later to take a report, we don't have the manpower to send anyone out." Pass 3 police vehicles sitting on the shoulder looking for speeders on the drive home . I guess writing speeding tickets is more important than doing anything about a stolen gun that will likely be used in additional crime and added to the "gun violence" statistics. He did get a call the next day, and never heard a thing about it again.

I realize recovering a stolen gun is unlikely, but it's fucking impossible if absolutely zero effort is put into it. It's almost like they want a bunch of stolen guns in the wild

As others have said, I used to have a lot of respect for the police. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt in murky situations. Now, not so much.

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Well, a citizen would certainly be held responsible for breaking the law, even if it was only one time. They certainly wouldn't be ok with you or I arresting someone that we had no authority to detain. Especially if our defense for doing it was "I didn't know the law". The "I didn't know the law" excuse wouldn't work for anyone else in a U.S. court either, "ignorance of law excuses no one" is an actual legal principle.. Saying you didn't intend to commit a crime because you claim to be ignorant of the law, is not a grounds for defense. The police in this situation had no more authority to demand to see an I.D. or detain this guy than you are I would. I 100% believe cops need to know the laws well enough to perform their jobs. Everyone else I know is expected to know their jobs well enough to be able to perform them without committing crimes, harming people, causing damage, etc.  If not, they get sued/fired. I appreciate the work that police do, but I do not support Jack Boots. These cops were Jack Boots, they walked up to a guy who was shopping with his kid and told him to "Do what I want or I'll arrest you and take your child".
The circumstance that should be considered here is that even though they knew they had no good description of the suspect that had been reported and this guy appeared to be committing no crimes when they first made contact with him, they decided to threaten him, then arrest him and take his child for failing to show I.D...

That type of behavior is uncalled for and I'd be lawyering up if I were that guy. I hope he gets paid and those cops get sent back to training. I mean the fact that they couldn't tell he was intoxicated after speaking with him would tell a person of average intelligence that the guy is probably not the guy they are looking for since "publicly intoxicated" people are clearly intoxicated....which would be why the cops were called or there in the first place. I've worked in and around medicine for more than 20 years and I have yet to see an intoxicated person "sober up" in the time it takes the police to respond to the call, and if they had I'd imagine there'd be no charges to file. This guy didn't appear to be intoxicated in the slightest. The cops even admit that he didn't appear to be intoxicated when asked. The cops just didn't like being told "no" and decided he needed to be taught to "Respect their Authority".  

If they suspected that he was the guy they were looking for they would have charged him with public intoxication and then asked for the I.D....They did not do that. They arrested him for not showing I.D. and when the Sargent asked if the guy was intoxicated they both said "No"....i.e. they knew he wasn't the guy that they had been called about, but decided to arrest him anyway. IMO, these cops were no better than any other Jack Booted NAZI. It may not be a big deal to some, but to me it appeared as though they knew they had no authority to detain him for the reason they had been called, but decided to try slap a false charge on the guy "to teach him a lesson".

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Cliff notes.....Texas is a 'no show' state, you don't have to show ID unless you are under arrest or are engaging in a privilege which requires a license, such as driving. None of the line officers knew this and arrested the guy for a crime he didn't commit. Sergeant showed up though and schooled those officers on the penal code. The guy was released and will most likely sue Walmart and/or the PD.

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and how are we almost not here?

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107642/image-324x324_png-1765012.JPG

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Probably give sarge a little more credit for following the law vs. simply supporting their officers.

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and how are we almost not here?

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107642/image-324x324_png-1765012.JPG

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.. I might be a tad umm...bothered by whatever fucking point the guy above was trying to convey about child molesters.
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Russia, China, Nazi Germany....where else am I missing?

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Please... you looking for a Day Time Emmy with that melodrama?
I have news for you, that "I want a supervisor" act is TV shit. I'd tell you "No" and put you in the car. Done.
And, I'd venture to guess that it's like that most places. You don't have any "right" to talk to a supervisor.
Hell, even if I did call my boss to the scene, he wouldn't talk to you. He'd just ask me, "Whadda ya got, runcible?"

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Never.Go.To.Walmart.

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Well, a citizen would certainly be held responsible for breaking the law, even if it was only one time. They certainly wouldn't be ok with you or I arresting someone that we had no authority to detain. Especially if our defense for doing it was "I didn't know the law". The "I didn't know the law" excuse wouldn't work for anyone else in a U.S. court either, "ignorance of law excuses no one" is an actual legal principle.. Saying you didn't intend to commit a crime because you claim to be ignorant of the law, is not a grounds for defense. The police in this situation had no more authority to demand to see an I.D. or detain this guy than you are I would. I 100% believe cops need to know the laws well enough to perform their jobs. Everyone else I know is expected to know their jobs well enough to be able to perform them without committing crimes, harming people, causing damage, etc.  If not, they get sued/fired. I appreciate the work that police do, but I do not support Jack Boots. These cops were Jack Boots, they walked up to a guy who was shopping with his kid and told him to "Do what I want or I'll arrest you and take your child".
The circumstance that should be considered here is that even though they knew they had no good description of the suspect that had been reported and this guy appeared to be committing no crimes when they first made contact with him, they decided to threaten him, then arrest him and take his child for failing to show I.D...

That type of behavior is uncalled for and I'd be lawyering up if I were that guy. I hope he gets paid and those cops get sent back to training. I mean the fact that they couldn't tell he was intoxicated after speaking with him would tell a person of average intelligence that the guy is probably not the guy they are looking for since "publicly intoxicated" people are clearly intoxicated....which would be why the cops were called or there in the first place. I've worked in and around medicine for more than 20 years and I have yet to see an intoxicated person "sober up" in the time it takes the police to respond to the call, and if they had I'd imagine there'd be no charges to file. This guy didn't appear to be intoxicated in the slightest. The cops even admit that he didn't appear to be intoxicated when asked. The cops just didn't like being told "no" and decided he needed to be taught to "Respect their Authority".  

If they suspected that he was the guy they were looking for they would have charged him with public intoxication and then asked for the I.D....They did not do that. They arrested him for not showing I.D. and when the Sargent asked if the guy was intoxicated they both said "No"....i.e. they knew he wasn't the guy that they had been called about, but decided to arrest him anyway. IMO, these cops were no better than any other Jack Booted NAZI. It may not be a big deal to some, but to me it appeared as though they knew they had no authority to detain him for the reason they had been called, but decided to try slap a false charge on the guy "to teach him a lesson".

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My question is should a cop be crucified over every case of false arrest or do we look at circumstances surrounding it as well as harm done? zero tolerance ?

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Well there you have it.... You OOOZEEEE the "thin blue line"....
You are my hero!

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Well there you have it.... You OOOZEEEE the "thin blue line"....
You are my hero!

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Title should probably be "SJW lies about person with Trump Mask".

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I don't give that Sergeant a pass on this at all, he did the "right" thing but definitely showed little leadership.

  1. After talking to his officers, he should have personally explained everything to the victim instead of having the dipshit officers continue to be assholes to the guy they just violated.  
  2. He should have ripped new assholes when they called the guy an asshole as he walked away.  
  3. You can tell he knew it was a shit sandwich and just wanted to hold on to the bread and not have to take a bite as well.
  4. His demeanor (and all of the other officers) was not: "We really made a mistake, we need to do better"; it was: "fucking guy ruined our night and now there will be paperwork".

Not having any sense of accountability for when you are a total dickbag isn't fixing the image they say is unfair.  Make mistakes learn from them, be humble and maybe you won't have shit like this happen.

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This type of ignorance of such a basic part of your job is unacceptable. Departments spend large budgets on training. If your officers don't understand the basics of their job.

How are they supposed be trusted to handle complex issues. That handled poorly can result in severe consequences.

The sad thing is. Every officer there went along with violating this man's constitutional rights and traumatizing his son. All in the name of communistic power hungry totalitarianism.

Disgusting. It is dumb fucks like this that cause distrust from the public.

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Because its normal for them to just fuck everyone.

So many other cops there, but none of them are willing to stop a stupid officer.

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@vojta

There is a whole lotta explanation required here.

You would back up your people even when they do something as pants on head retarded as going hands on with someone not providing ID? I was always astonished by the compound stupidity of some of the other officers I worked with.

Particularly so when their only description was, "Brown hair with child" and nothing else?

You have bad case law with your name written all over it if that's the case. I never want *ANY* case law with my name on it anywhere. Maybe you city guys should follow suit there.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKHwWBDpib4

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what good was asking for his ID gonna do?  It's not like they had the name of the drunk driver and could match it to this guy.  Having this guy's name/address isn't gonna help them figure out if he did it.