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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:55:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not going to quote any particular poster(s) in this thread to avoid violating the CoC, but there are some real shitbagS in GD these days. Did she break the law? Yes! Should she have been arrested? Yes! Should she have been MURDERED. NO! Apparently the officers behind her with M4s and kitted out didn't feel the need to shoot her. Much less advance from cover to take a kill shot. But hey, this is America and people are entitled to their despotic opinions. Somehow firebombing a federal court house with people in it doesn't justify lethal force, but one person with her hands shown to be clear of weapons and climbing through a window in a defenseless co diction warrants being executed. Even on White House grounds they first attempt to subdue an intruder before opening fire at POINT BLANK range! Again, she broke the law. She should have been arrested and given her day in court. If she was a real threat, acting violently, the officers behind her with select fire weapons and in body armor could have handled it. Make whatever excuses you want, you're full of shit. That's directed to no person in particular, but if you feel the need to respond to the contrary well I guess it hit home. If they had any integrity they would have issued a statement today that no capitol officers were killed on January 6th. Instead they sat back and allowed a false charade of claims that plural 'officers' were killed defending the capitol. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:57:14 AM EDT
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If Kevin McCarthy wants to prove his worth he’ll conduct a REAL investigation and if appropriate refer for prosecution. If nothing else we’ll be better informed. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
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Posted: 1/7/2023 3:13:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Kevin McCarthy wants to prove his worth he’ll conduct a REAL investigation and if appropriate refer for prosecution. If nothing else we’ll be better informed. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Your posts are spot on as always, yet I think we both know McCarthy has no worth and will investigate everything but this. Unfortunately this will lose the rest of any traction it may of had at any point. Oh, and then there was this today Ashli Babbitt's mother was arrested |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 3:19:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This country is so fucked up that I barely recognize it. This is fuckin bullshit |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 8:58:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:31:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I heard he was cleared, making it justified whether you like it or not. I will never understand why this site gets their panties in a twist over this particular shooting. It was stupid on her part and her own actions got her killed It was never investigated as a murder or as a justified use of force. The DOJ "investigated" whether or not it was a Title 42 violation and "didn't find enough evidence to successfully prosecute." Back in your lane. *click* |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I heard he was cleared, making it justified whether you like it or not. I will never understand why this site gets their panties in a twist over this particular shooting. It was stupid on her part and her own actions got her killed Agreed 100%. I'm amazed more capital police didn't shoot protesters that day. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was never investigated as a murder or as a justified use of force. The DOJ "investigated" whether or not it was a Title 42 violation and "didn't find enough evidence to successfully prosecute." Back in your lane. *click* Some stranger tries to crawl through your window. You are armed and tell them they must stop. They ignore you and keep coming. What happens next? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:45:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some stranger tries to crawl through your window. You are armed and tell them they must stop. They ignore you and keep coming. What happens next? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:50:29 PM EDT
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It's kind of a shame he didn't get a visit from Tom Hagan while he was there.
Godfather reference if you're not aware. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:51:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did Byrd tell her to stop? Or did he just pop out and shoot? I don't recall him saying anything. If you know this for a fact, show your work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some stranger tries to crawl through your window. You are armed and tell them they must stop. They ignore you and keep coming. What happens next? Because climbing through the broken window gave her no clues that she should stop? Would you check with the perp to make sure that they properly understood the instructions you were giving? Sometimes stupid is a fatal disease. She had it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:52:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide. Tell me more 22er |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me more 22er Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide. Tell me more 22er Do what she did and someone will instruct you, sooner or later. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:57:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because climbing through the broken window gave her no clues that she should stop? Would you check with the perp to make sure that they properly understood the instructions you were giving? Sometimes stupid is a fatal disease. She had it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some stranger tries to crawl through your window. You are armed and tell them they must stop. They ignore you and keep coming. What happens next? Because climbing through the broken window gave her no clues that she should stop? Would you check with the perp to make sure that they properly understood the instructions you were giving? Sometimes stupid is a fatal disease. She had it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me more 22er Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide. Tell me more 22er Attaching a join date to this conversation is silly. Look around. There are several old join dates with the same opinion. People have different opinions. Would you have crawled through that window? Personally, I would have never left the sidewalk. I don't cheer for her death, but I'm not surprised by it either. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:00:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did Byrd tell her to stop? There was no immediate threat. You are trolling (as usual) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some stranger tries to crawl through your window. You are armed and tell them they must stop. They ignore you and keep coming. What happens next? Because climbing through the broken window gave her no clues that she should stop? Would you check with the perp to make sure that they properly understood the instructions you were giving? Sometimes stupid is a fatal disease. She had it. How anyone can look at the footage and say there was no threat, baffles me. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide.  |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a useful thread - I got two clicks out of it. I only got one...the other one was already clicked... |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD was cheering this just last night. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Boyfriend-gets-shot-forcing-himself-into-home--/5-2614125/?page=1 Personal home v, capital building Kinda maybe the same but not really |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:04:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal home v, capital building Kinda maybe the same but not really Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD was cheering this just last night. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Boyfriend-gets-shot-forcing-himself-into-home--/5-2614125/?page=1 Personal home v, capital building Kinda maybe the same but not really How is it different from a self defense position? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:04:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did Byrd tell her to stop? There was no immediate threat. You are trolling (as usual) You didn't answer the question. Suppose a mob broke your window and somebody started crawling through. What happens next? What happens if they don't hear your warning? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:07:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How anyone can look at the footage and say there was no threat, baffles me. The real point is that they are all in favor of the threat. They are for the violent overthrow of the US Govt to install one man as king. Just ask them. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How anyone can look at the footage and say there was no threat, baffles me. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:10:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide. Odd then that nobody shot the protestors trying to burn down an occupied federal court house. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I only got one...the other one was already clicked... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a useful thread - I got two clicks out of it. I only got one...the other one was already clicked... You realize the grey bar works both ways? It's kinda cool really. If someone doesn't want to hear my opinion, it also saves me from listening to theirs. Click on, click on. 
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I heard he was cleared, making it justified whether you like it or not. I will never understand why this site gets their panties in a twist over this particular shooting. It was stupid on her part and her own actions got her killed One protector of the capital raised his weapon at an unarmed citizen whose posture did not suggest a threat. Why were no other people shot by this officer? Why did no others raise their weapons? It appears to be a mistake by the shooter that in my mind rises to some level of a crime. Shooting an unarmed citizen in a non-threatening posture in the capital building is not about an oath to protect the U.S. It is not how he was likely trained to deal with an unarmed person. This is a tragedy on both sides. A transparent investigation would have been very helpful in answering some of these questions. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:12:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You didn't answer the question. Suppose a mob broke your window and somebody started crawling through. What happens next? What happens if they don't hear your warning? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did Byrd tell her to stop? There was no immediate threat. You are trolling (as usual) You didn't answer the question. Suppose a mob broke your window and somebody started crawling through. What happens next? What happens if they don't hear your warning? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:12:42 PM EDT
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#fedhero
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:13:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't the full kitted cops behind her stop her if she was such a threat? Is that the standard now, a 100 pound woman is coming at you so its green light for lethal force with no warning to stop? Why didn't he just grab her and pull her through and cuff her? Is there testimony where Byrd clearly articulates his fear for his life and the life of the other better armed men that he needed to take action with no warning, popping out like a Cuckoo clock bird and shooting her? Any other time this cop would have been fried. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How anyone can look at the footage and say there was no threat, baffles me. Because they did want this to happen. I don't doubt that one bit. Everyone was played. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing your opinion matters for exactly zilch in legal proceedings. As others have posted, even in my home, let alone a government building, that’s a good shoot all day long. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Last I heard he was cleared, making it justified whether you like it or not. I will never understand why this site gets their panties in a twist over this particular shooting. It was stupid on her part and her own actions got her killed No it was unjustified. A corrupt system does not make it justified anymore than the nazis. Good thing your opinion matters for exactly zilch in legal proceedings. As others have posted, even in my home, let alone a government building, that’s a good shoot all day long. Two different situations. Person defending one’s home v. A trained experienced officer protecting something are not similar situations. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they did want this to happen. I don't doubt that one bit. Everyone was played. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Colorado law says if someone makes illegal entry into my home and I feel they may do me harm, no matter how slight, deadly force is authorized. Now add that to a secure building, housing our nations government. Like it or not, I’d have a very hard time calling it unjustified and guess what, it was indeed deemed justified. Not evil, just logical. Take a step back from your anger and look at the situation through emotionless lenses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good thing your opinion matters for exactly zilch in legal proceedings. As others have posted, even in my home, let alone a government building, that’s a good shoot all day long. Not its not, you are lying. Are you evil? Colorado law says if someone makes illegal entry into my home and I feel they may do me harm, no matter how slight, deadly force is authorized. Now add that to a secure building, housing our nations government. Like it or not, I’d have a very hard time calling it unjustified and guess what, it was indeed deemed justified. Not evil, just logical. Take a step back from your anger and look at the situation through emotionless lenses. You have stated the very difference in these two situations. It may not seem like much, but defending one’s home is different from one’s job of defending the something. A trained officer should not be using deadly force in this situation. Unarmed Non-threatening posture |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:19:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither did you. Your style of trolling is transparent. You never answer any questions, you just keep moving the goal posts getting further and further into the weeds. OK. I don't know if he gave her a warning. I don't know if she heard it. In either case, it would be irrelevant with a mob and a broken window. Now you answer the question. What would happen at your house? The truth is that you don't care if she was in the process of trying to overthrow the government. Therefore, there is an excuse for anything. Right? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:19:50 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two different situations. Person defending one’s home v. A trained experienced officer protecting something are not similar situations. A screaming mob breaking windows is one clue of danger. There might be others. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:20:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have stated the very difference in these two situations. It may not seem like much, but defending one’s home is different from one’s job of defending the something. A trained officer should not be using deadly force in this situation. Unarmed Non-threatening posture Screaming mob, breaking windows, climbing through the broken window. Anyone who does that is too stupid to live. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:23:13 PM EDT
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If it was up to me, the National Guard would have been shooting everyone running out of the stores, or setting fires during the BLM riots.
If it was up to me, people blocking the road in protest should be run over without regard. If it was up to me, you want to protest, do it legally. Stay on the sidewalk. I don't care what your cause is, or which side you're on. I will favor self defense and protection of property every time. 
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:26:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: In its complaint, Judicial Watch explained to the court that it had asked all three government agencies for all records relating to the billeting of Byrd at Joint Base Andrews during the period from January 6, 2021, to July 2022, including authorization papers, housing, meals, transportation, and visitor logs. The documents show that Lieutenant Byrd and a pet stayed in a "Distinguished Visitor Suite" at the "Presidential Inn" (part of Air Force Inns) under a "Capitol Police Presidential Inn Reservation" for the period July 8, 2021, through January 28, 2022. Judicial Watch was informed by a representative at Joint Base Andrews that a "Distinguished Visitor Suite" is typically reserved for officers at the rank of O-7 (Brigadier General or higher.). https://www.judicialwatch.org/taxpayer-dollars-spent-to-house-ashli-babbitt-shooter/ Why two sets of dates? One that he stayed there before the shooting, and a second after the shooting. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:28:25 PM EDT
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I'm going to add this.
I wonder if the capital police letting people inside during all this would have been a factor in a "real" trial? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:28:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD was cheering this just last night. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Boyfriend-gets-shot-forcing-himself-into-home--/5-2614125/?page=1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide. GD was cheering this just last night. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Boyfriend-gets-shot-forcing-himself-into-home--/5-2614125/?page=1 Man, you can't shut the fuck up can you? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:29:47 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some stranger tries to crawl through your window. You are armed and tell them they must stop. They ignore you and keep coming. What happens next? Is it a little girl with 2 cops beside her on the other side? Am I standing with 6 armed men also? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:34:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One protector of the capital raised his weapon at an unarmed citizen whose posture did not suggest a threat. Why were no other people shot by this officer? Why did no others raise their weapons? It appears to be a mistake by the shooter that in my mind rises to some level of a crime. Shooting an unarmed citizen in a non-threatening posture in the capital building is not about an oath to protect the U.S. It is not how he was likely trained to deal with an unarmed person. This is a tragedy on both sides. A transparent investigation would have been very helpful in answering some of these questions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last I heard he was cleared, making it justified whether you like it or not. I will never understand why this site gets their panties in a twist over this particular shooting. It was stupid on her part and her own actions got her killed One protector of the capital raised his weapon at an unarmed citizen whose posture did not suggest a threat. Why were no other people shot by this officer? Why did no others raise their weapons? It appears to be a mistake by the shooter that in my mind rises to some level of a crime. Shooting an unarmed citizen in a non-threatening posture in the capital building is not about an oath to protect the U.S. It is not how he was likely trained to deal with an unarmed person. This is a tragedy on both sides. A transparent investigation would have been very helpful in answering some of these questions. I agree fully that LE in general needs to be more transparent, especially with shooting investigations. Again, although other officers with different vantages, training, experiences, etc may not have perceived a threat this one apparently did. All of that has weight in a UOF investigation |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:34:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it was up to me, the National Guard would have been shooting everyone running out of the stores, or setting fires during the BLM riots. If it was up to me, people blocking the road in protest should be run over without regard. If it was up to me, you want to protest, do it legally. Stay on the sidewalk. I don't care what your cause is, or which side you're on. I will favor self defense and protection of property every time. I did Nazi that coming. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:35:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why two sets of dates? One that he stayed there before the shooting, and a second after the shooting. what set of dates shows he stayed there before? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK. I don't know if he gave her a warning. I don't know if she heard it. In either case, it would be irrelevant with a mob and a broken window. Now you answer the question. What would happen at your house? The truth is that you don't care if she was in the process of trying to overthrow the government. Therefore, there is an excuse for anything. Right? ETA: Police around the country exercised a great deal of restraint by not shooting random people during the riots when, in my opinion, they had every right to. Why? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:37:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have stated the very difference in these two situations. It may not seem like much, but defending one’s home is different from one’s job of defending the something. A trained officer should not be using deadly force in this situation. Unarmed Non-threatening posture Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good thing your opinion matters for exactly zilch in legal proceedings. As others have posted, even in my home, let alone a government building, that’s a good shoot all day long. Not its not, you are lying. Are you evil? Colorado law says if someone makes illegal entry into my home and I feel they may do me harm, no matter how slight, deadly force is authorized. Now add that to a secure building, housing our nations government. Like it or not, I’d have a very hard time calling it unjustified and guess what, it was indeed deemed justified. Not evil, just logical. Take a step back from your anger and look at the situation through emotionless lenses. You have stated the very difference in these two situations. It may not seem like much, but defending one’s home is different from one’s job of defending the something. A trained officer should not be using deadly force in this situation. Unarmed Non-threatening posture I disagree. I can absolutely see how one could see a mob breaking down barriers, seemingly in an effort to get to politicians or secure materials to be a threat. We have and always will have “deadly force authorized beyond this point” lines in the sand. Whether it’s secure military installations or nuclear facilities, like it or not they exist. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:38:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This country is so fucked up that I barely recognize it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:40:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, you can't shut the fuck up can you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: She kept crawling through a window after someone with a gun on the inside told her to stop. Same thing that would happen at my house. She committed suicide. GD was cheering this just last night. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Boyfriend-gets-shot-forcing-himself-into-home--/5-2614125/?page=1 Man, you can't shut the fuck up can you? It only stings because you know it's true. Use that button, you paid for it.
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:41:42 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Castle doctrine in California. If someone is breaking into my home, I have the expectation of danger to myself. My home is different than a public building. The rules for deadly force for police are very different. They need to articulate a clear fear for their life as well as show that other means failed before pulling the trigger, if time allows. In most police shootings involving a clearly unarmed person often meets with prosecution, not awards and accolades. How about if there is a mob screaming "Hang Mike Pence" trying to break down the doors, they have broken a window, and a member of the mob is trying to crawl through the window? Would you support the overthrow of the US Govt if Trump did it? |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:43:50 PM EDT
[#49]
I lived about a 3 minute walk away from the Presidential Inn at JB Andrews up until this past summer.
Wish I'd have known he was staying there. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:44:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about if there is a mob screaming "Hang Mike Pence" trying to break down the doors, they have broken a window, and a member of the mob is trying to crawl through the window? Would you support the overthrow of the US Govt if Trump did it? You're not very good at this. You should ask your supervisor for more training. I'm sure you can get some overtime pay. 
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