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Posted: 5/23/2024 12:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote Historymy thoughts exactly |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 12:18:27 PM EDT
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Is this going to be like the F22 where we only buy 6 of them, making the cost per aircraft to be some astronomically high number, then mothball, repurpose and scrap all of the tooling to build more?
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Posted: 5/23/2024 12:19:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:34:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.newsweek.com/china-radar-vanish-plasma-stealth-technology-1872763 More from China. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:39:41 PM EDT
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Hard to believe that as advanced as the B-2 is, it was designed in the early '80s. Unreal.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to believe that as advanced as the B-2 is, it was designed in the early '80s. Unreal. "Anything you can possibly imagine, we have done. But it would take an act of God to declassify it." Kelly, paraphrased |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:53:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's official Chinese policy that they will nuke anybody who fucks with the dam. The number of people they'd lose downstream is equivalent to a nuclear war, so that's not unreasonable. Yet notice that for all their insistence of superiority and detection, they full expect somebody to be able to take 3 gorges out without nuclear weapons. Thy protesth too much lol. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:56:34 PM EDT
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Definitely not a rabbit in its pocket.
Quote HistoryQuoted: The instrumentation boom out front looks kinda silly at that angle Yeah, you'd think a plane that young would have a higher angle for its dangle. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For whatever reason, it looks smaller than a B2 to me in those pics. Well it is smaller. 
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:58:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 2:06:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe F-22's stealth capability is better than most. If the Chinese system works and is deployed (lab testing and operational systems are not the same thing), this would almost certainly limit the B-21's usefulness |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 2:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this going to be like the F22 where we only buy 187 of them, making the cost per aircraft to be some astronomically high number, then mothball, repurpose and scrap all of the tooling to build more? Almost certainly, but you're going to be too busy fighting other starving people over the precious few remaining cans of beans to care. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 2:16:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The F-22's stealth capability is better than most. If the Chinese system works and is deployed (lab testing and operational systems are not the same thing), this would almost certainly limit the B-21's usefulness 2) China is a known liar about its systems. Like Russia. 3) There are many ways to defeat radar detection and more importantly weapons tracking. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:11:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like a flying saucer. Which would be the most radar refracting shape. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The F-22's stealth capability is better than most. If the Chinese system works and is deployed (lab testing and operational systems are not the same thing), this would almost certainly limit the B-21's usefulness Quote HistoryQuoted: The F-22's stealth capability is better than most. If the Chinese system works and is deployed (lab testing and operational systems are not the same thing), this would almost certainly limit the B-21's usefulness I think the Chinese are full of crap too............... |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) tracking a target is not killing a target 2) China is a known liar about its systems. Like Russia. 3) There are many ways to defeat radar detection and more importantly weapons tracking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The F-22's stealth capability is better than most. If the Chinese system works and is deployed (lab testing and operational systems are not the same thing), this would almost certainly limit the B-21's usefulness 2) China is a known liar about its systems. Like Russia. 3) There are many ways to defeat radar detection and more importantly weapons tracking. One of the reasons for NGAD is to reduce low band detect ability, where the wneny isn’t sure where you are but can see you’re somewhere up there. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give 2 years before chicom hack Northrop Grumman Almost certainly it's already been done. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:33:49 PM EDT
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Dam
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:34:54 PM EDT
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Damn
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The water belongs to the people of China, we shall liberate it from the evil water hoarding dam and distribute it to the masses  It would completely gut them. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts Nuke the cube? I had no idea you would agree with ISIS.  Seriously. They want to get rid of it too. It wouldn't do a lick of good in any way at all. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:39:05 PM EDT
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Given the nature of the beast when I see photos of the newest stuff I always wonder what is behind the scenes that we don't yet have pictures of...
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:42:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based at EDwards AFB. Same thing found on the vertical stabalizer (tail) of other aircaft there. But this one has no tail so they put it on the gear door. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nuke the cube? I had no idea you would agree with ISIS. Seriously. They want to get rid of it too. It wouldn't do a lick of good in any way at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts Nuke the cube? I had no idea you would agree with ISIS. Seriously. They want to get rid of it too. It wouldn't do a lick of good in any way at all. Gotta nuke something |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 3:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta nuke something Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts Nuke the cube? I had no idea you would agree with ISIS. Seriously. They want to get rid of it too. It wouldn't do a lick of good in any way at all. Gotta nuke something Take away all their oilfields and force them back into irrelevance, if you want to be draconian and brute. When you're so poor that you can't even afford a boat or a plane ticket to leave, it's pretty hard for you to go jihad. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 4:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote Historyyea, ok.. Half of me wants to see how modern stealth does against modern radars and the other half of me is petrified to see it play out. I think i just want to know if the hypes true and if its been money well spent. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 4:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take away all their oilfields and force them back into irrelevance, if you want to be draconian and brute. When you're so poor that you can't even afford a boat or a plane ticket to leave, it's pretty hard for you to go jihad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts Nuke the cube? I had no idea you would agree with ISIS. Seriously. They want to get rid of it too. It wouldn't do a lick of good in any way at all. Gotta nuke something Take away all their oilfields and force them back into irrelevance, if you want to be draconian and brute. When you're so poor that you can't even afford a boat or a plane ticket to leave, it's pretty hard for you to go jihad. Not at all. They'll just jihad at home. Which is why the Gulf countries totally, by pure accident, encouraged a lot of their problem children to GTFO and become Iraq or elsewhere's problems during the relevant time in question. That it would terminally destabilize efforts to make a secular democracy, within a region where literally every other country not Israel is a more or less absolute monarchy, was a nice bonus. Do you think a random 9th son in Riyadh or Muscat just stuck out his thumb and hitched his way to Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria to become just another AGM member? They found domestic networks in the right places to identify the perpetually dissatisfied, and make those people someone else's problem. Related effect in Mexico, BTW. If you forced them to stay out, made the US border resemble the Korean DMZ, and put serious teeth in immigration enforcement within ag/construction/hospitality employment, you'd have another Mexican Revolution inside of 5 years. And the one with Diaz and Villa was pretty bad. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 4:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take away all their oilfields and force them back into irrelevance, if you want to be draconian and brute. When you're so poor that you can't even afford a boat or a plane ticket to leave, it's pretty hard for you to go jihad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If B-21 is eating 3 Gorges Dam, it is because Xi has already decided to glass our population centers. We don't need B-21 to eat 3 Gorges. B-21 has other jobs. Just existing and letting China think that their dam is the mission is a good job. It'll potentially divert resources from a real target to one of little interest to us. Nuke the dam and nuke that stupid cube at the same time Also nuke Germany for first degree faggotry, multiple counts Nuke the cube? I had no idea you would agree with ISIS. Seriously. They want to get rid of it too. It wouldn't do a lick of good in any way at all. Gotta nuke something Take away all their oilfields and force them back into irrelevance, if you want to be draconian and brute. When you're so poor that you can't even afford a boat or a plane ticket to leave, it's pretty hard for you to go jihad. Sir the point of nuclear bombers is to bomb nuclearly |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:38:35 PM EDT
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So if they fuck with one of our nuke carriers we remove their dam?
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet notice that for all their insistence of superiority and detection, they full expect somebody to be able to take 3 gorges out without nuclear weapons. Thy protesth too much lol. Wouldn't a more reasonable way to do it be some kind of clandestine operation with some explosives planted near the base of the dam? I'm not an engineer but I do like seeing things blow up 
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:43:16 PM EDT
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Free the delta smelt fr
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Air superiority gray", and I'm not kidding. It is smaller than a B-2, and the B-2 isn't very big to begin with. I did see one that looked HUGE for a minute or two..I've written about it a couple of times in the past. Another chief and I got lost in the dark on the far side of Nellis' ramp, where they'd parked our MH-53s, and I came very, very close to running a pickup truck into a B-2 taxing into parking. Aircraft never even slowed, I'm fairly certain he never saw us driving with just marker lights. I still have a little ringing in my right ear from Chief S. screaming at me to brake. Wingspan comparison: B-52 = 185'...B-2 = 172'...B-21 estimated to be 132' Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like the sky grey color, bet it’s cooler also. "Air superiority gray", and I'm not kidding. It is smaller than a B-2, and the B-2 isn't very big to begin with. I did see one that looked HUGE for a minute or two..I've written about it a couple of times in the past. Another chief and I got lost in the dark on the far side of Nellis' ramp, where they'd parked our MH-53s, and I came very, very close to running a pickup truck into a B-2 taxing into parking. Aircraft never even slowed, I'm fairly certain he never saw us driving with just marker lights. I still have a little ringing in my right ear from Chief S. screaming at me to brake. Wingspan comparison: B-52 = 185'...B-2 = 172'...B-21 estimated to be 132' The crews affectionately refer to it as Shikaka |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:48:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't a more reasonable way to do it be some kind of clandestine operation with some explosives planted near the base of the dam? I'm not an engineer but I do like seeing things blow up Do you have any idea how much explosive this would take? |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have any idea how much explosive this would take? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wouldn't a more reasonable way to do it be some kind of clandestine operation with some explosives planted near the base of the dam? I'm not an engineer but I do like seeing things blow up Do you have any idea how much explosive this would take? Tbf, it was built by China... It also was having some unanticipated bad times a few years ago at overfull capacity. Still, it's what at the base? 1,000' thick of concrete? |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 5:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have any idea how much explosive this would take? I have zero clue. You wouldn't exactly need to blow it to smitherines to cause it to fail though, correct? Isn't it such a piece of shit it's at risk of failing without any Spec Ops intervention? I know skyscrapers are imploded with a shockingly small amount of ordinance. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:08:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if they fuck with one of our nuke carriers we remove their dam? That would violate LOAC which our military wont do. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:18:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNope
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting Quote HistoryIs that real?... cause that's crazy, the B2 even has a sorta beak.. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that real?... cause that's crazy, the B2 even has a sorta beak.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that real?... cause that's crazy, the B2 even has a sorta beak.. 100% This thread is based off a meme.  Man has always gotten his inspiration from nature, for the entirety of humanity. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:43:11 PM EDT
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That is so cool
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is so cool I'll spare you religious stuff, but I'll definitely shit on the East. They're like "idk do what the west does or something" The west legit looks at the world around them, sees concepts that works and tries them. There's a BUNCH of DARPA sea projects which tried to imitate locomotion of fish. The entire idea was "Clearly fish do this pretty well, maybe there's something to being a fish? Maybe we should try to imitate the fish to get a good underwater propulsion system." Combine that with scientific knowledge of the world around us, to include trying to legit understand how sound waves work and that's what we're doing. This is why Russia and China are so gay. They're trying to steal or imitate our designs, but their stupid eastern brains don't even understand why we went with that design. They have no appreciation for the world around them or actual science because they are so gay. Meanwhile, we're here saying "That bird or fish works really well, why does it work? Oh holy shit we studied it, pretty crazy" |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:05:42 PM EDT
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Looks like something off the angry birds kids movie. The new stealth design may be a necessity but looks retarded
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like something off the angry birds kids movie. The new stealth design may be a necessity but looks retarded The federal government is gay. Some Americans succeeded in developing a really silly bomber with no equal IN SPITE of a really gay federal government. You legit never have to think about being threatened by anyone other than your own government, because we possess such things. Idk bro seems like a win |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:22:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jack was shown a model of the B2 shortly before he died; he started to cry and said, "Now I know why God has kept me alive so long." Awesome, glad he lived to see it. 
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:23:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.twz.com/uploads/2024/05/22/A8423170A.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://www.twz.com/uploads/2024/05/22/8423170A.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://www.twz.com/uploads/2024/05/22/8423169-1-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://www.twz.com/air/first-aerial-view-of-b-21-raider-offers-new-insights Finally, we see extended formation lights that would sit flush with the B-21's skin for combat operations and the attachment point for the temporary trailing flight test cone's wire that is emanating from the jet's lower rear half. The B-21's exhausts, which are historically a very sensitive low-observable feature, are totally unseen in this image. Overall, this side-on image gives us an idea of just how smooth and flowing the B-21 design truly is. While having much in common with its predecessor the B-2, it is clearly a major leap in stealth technology. They should paint one to look like a dragon as it goes to drop a present on the 3 Gorges Dam. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: US policy is anyone attacks an Aircraft Carrier gets canned sunshine and China will damn sure go after our flat tops. Given that, the dam will be fair game. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's official Chinese policy that they will nuke anybody who fucks with the dam. The number of people they'd lose downstream is equivalent to a nuclear war, so that's not unreasonable. US policy is anyone attacks an Aircraft Carrier gets canned sunshine and China will damn sure go after our flat tops. Given that, the dam will be fair game. Is that US policy? Seems like poor sportsmanship. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:31:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is much smaller. A little more than half the payload. But it's going to do much more than bomb. I think you’re right about this. Definitely a badass bomber but i think I would be a waste to not use it as a missile truck slinging AIM 260s. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like a flying saucer. Where do you think they got the idea? |
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