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Posted: 5/3/2020 8:53:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Not assigned to a Ranger Batt, not a Ranger
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Posted: 5/3/2020 8:54:59 PM EDT
[#2]
> Men are evil
> Requires men to lower requirements for them to pass > Yay girl power 
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:08:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not a Ranger, but I was an active-duty soldier for 12 years, and if the Ranger school let these women pass when it would have failed a man then fuck be upon those females and the schoolhouse. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:11:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigshot64: Do females have to do the exact same things to get through the school as males? On paper, yes. In execution, apparently not. 
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: @freefalle7 your not as good as women. Also when do you suppose the first all female team will win "Best Ranger Competition"? I’m not free and not a Ranger but that’ll happen as soon as there’s judging instead of officiating. You had the most hits and you were the first across the line is not subjective. “You put in the most incredible effort in spite of your opponent’s privileges” can garnish a lot of bonus points from the judges. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:12:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a fucking mess. This isn't gonna play out the way they think. Wait until one of these female tabs gets knocked up to prevent deployment. And a tab is not the same as a scroll. Just because you make it thru ranger school does not make u a fucking ranger.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:13:18 PM EDT
[#7]
Insider has spoken
We did this thread when the first female went thru. Standards were clipped politics ruled. Looks like the same here. And of true, then the females have no honor and are unreliable leaders. But they got their SJW poster. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:24:20 PM EDT
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My experience with women pilots going through pilot training in the USAF. We had a couple that did fairly well. Never as good as the best men. Most of the others did not complete the course. This shadows my experience operationally and later on in the airlines. If you set the bar equally then most women do not finish well.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Discolite: Am I wrong? I mean they let foreigners and other branches go. It’s essentially mandatory for any Infantry Officer to have that course. Given a large enough pool, it’s no shock they find some women that can pass it. It’s considered a leadership course. It’s not like that far out. There are MPs with Ranger tabs. I know my ratchet ass couldn’t pass and 19 yo me was doing something else. I’m not kissing their asses or simping for them, but they did it. And there were the other women who went snd failed and didn’t tab so that dispels the “rigged game” aspect of it. It’s like getting pissed at Tiger Woods for being good at golf instead of basketball. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Discolite: Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght: lol Am I wrong? I mean they let foreigners and other branches go. It’s essentially mandatory for any Infantry Officer to have that course. Given a large enough pool, it’s no shock they find some women that can pass it. It’s considered a leadership course. It’s not like that far out. There are MPs with Ranger tabs. I know my ratchet ass couldn’t pass and 19 yo me was doing something else. I’m not kissing their asses or simping for them, but they did it. And there were the other women who went snd failed and didn’t tab so that dispels the “rigged game” aspect of it. It’s like getting pissed at Tiger Woods for being good at golf instead of basketball. In the original iteration of this, there were at least 215 -230 (iirc) of the strongest women the army could find that went to pre Ranger school-I say "at least" b/c there was apparently a training program before the pre Ranger school, and I have no idea how many went to that. Those that got through pre Ranger school all failed the course, though they kept recycling decreasing numbers so that 3 eventually graduated, So right now, thats more than 215 to 1 against a extremely fit woman passing, a woman who had been training exclusively for Ranger School for a period of time. So, yes, for all practical purposes, you're wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the number is significantly higher, it seemed to be halved each time, so it wouldn't surprise me if 450 women or so went to the earliest training. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alaskajetpilot: My experience with women pilots going through pilot training in the USAF. We had a couple that did fairly well. Never as good as the best men. Most of the others did not complete the course. This shadows my experience operationally and later on in the airlines. If you set the bar equally then most women do not finish well. my experience with Army JAGs was that the ratio of shitty female lawyers to shitty male lawyers was 1:1. That ratio held up in private practice too. 
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:30:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Blah, blah, blah....this is so tiring.
18Z50....I went to SFAS in the 20th century, when it was easy! |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:53:16 PM EDT
[#13]
Utter bullshit. There’s not a woman in history that could have done what Merrill’s Marauders did in Burma against the Japanese in the 40s. Read Shelby Stanton’s book Rangers at War.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 9:59:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: Blah, blah, blah....this is so tiring. 18Z50....I went to SFAS in the 20th century, when it was easy! If you were a Seal you would have said "I was in the hardest class ever".... That's a running joke. I think you get it more than anyone. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:04:15 PM EDT
[#15]
"RI Roulette"
RLTW, 05-20 |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:06:50 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted: Yes. The one where you can: Lose acountability of a lost soldier frat other soldiers leave a wounded casualty on the objective... and pass. That one. link Different candidate: Quoted: Do females have to do the exact same things to get through the school as males? Doesn’t appear so...regardless of the propaganda BS they’re pushing. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: Has one passed BUD/S yet? Two different things entirely. One is a difficult selection that turns into a rigorous school, and the other is a leadership course that is, quite frankly, easy. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:28:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Balderdash
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:50:55 PM EDT
[#19]
Back in the summer of 87 when I was a Chaparral crewmember at Ft. Lewis, they brought a group of females in to see how well they could integrate into SHORAD. They came in to train and work the towed vulcans. We were told they were the best of the best. Turns out they couldn't do the maintenance on the vulcans, such as changing the tires, or do any of the drills on time. They couldn't load the firing units, the ammo belts were too heavy. After about two weeks the whole thing was quietly ended and the females sent back to wherever they came from. Now they're doing infantry, ranger, armor, etc. Failure of a plan never stops people from trying it again, even if they have to move the goal posts.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:51:45 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: Has one passed BUD/S yet? GI Jane
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Posted: 5/3/2020 10:54:45 PM EDT
[#21]
Out of all the females I've seen in the military, the average one is worse than the average male. The best ones are not better than the best males. A lot of the best females aren't much better than the average males, and they are an incredibly small minority of the female population. How many female soldiers are in the US Army? What percentage of them have passed Ranger school? What about for males? (adjusted for the length of time females have been allowed to attend, of course). I don't have the numbers to do that math but I'd bet that there is a much smaller percentage of the female population. If you pit those female graduates against some of the best male graduates, I don't see a single one of those females being identified as the very best in a tangible, unbiased grading competition.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:00:28 PM EDT
[#22]
Everything is about first of you special group. The green weenie knows only 1 soldier.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:05:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Officers Basic Infantry still prep school for Ranger School?
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:05:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: White borders? Lol The Rangers are legit turning into snow flakes. Sewing your tab on with white thread for the winter Ranger school grads has been a thing way before I got mine. 05-01 |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:10:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EnduroKid: Not assigned to a Ranger Batt, not a Ranger Did you see the one assigned and deployed to Afghanistan as a Ranger platoon leader? |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:41:06 PM EDT
[#26]
Not even I believe that horseshit.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: I knew one of the RIs that was there for these shenanigans and helped blow that whistle. It was a group effort. There’s way more that happened than even those text messages. Pictures of their peer reviews, opords, and other student generated stuff. Copies of PT scores and everything. He was quite vocal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: I am not a Ranger, but I was an active-duty soldier for 12 years, and if the Ranger school let these women pass when it would have failed a man then fuck be upon those females and the schoolhouse. I knew one of the RIs that was there for these shenanigans and helped blow that whistle. It was a group effort. There’s way more that happened than even those text messages. Pictures of their peer reviews, opords, and other student generated stuff. Copies of PT scores and everything. He was quite vocal. Shame none of that has made it to the public |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 12:11:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Discolite: Demi Moore did! Dem nipples
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Posted: 5/4/2020 12:21:41 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Yes. The one where you can: Lose acountability of a lost soldier frat other soldiers leave a wounded casualty on the objective... and pass. That one. link Different candidate: Bro how fucking sexist! |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 1:43:13 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: Blah, blah, blah....this is so tiring. 18Z50....I went to SFAS in the 20th century, when it was easy! When female long tabbers are squeaking by and placing your regiment's mission at risk, it will be too late. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 1:54:06 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aemsl69: More fem-nazi propaganda. Ranger school was a bitch in the 1990’s. I have to assume the RI’s were instructed to give these gals a pass. Do they still do peer reviews? It would be interesting to see those. I'm not so sure. I've known some brawny, capable farm women in my time. Just watched UFC last night, and this blonde chick from the East was a fucking machine, even I wouldn't want to fight her. I wouldn't mind her at my side in combat either, as long as her head's in the game. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:06:25 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What a fucking mess. This isn't gonna play out the way they think. Wait until one of these female tabs gets knocked up to prevent deployment. And a tab is not the same as a scroll. Just because you make it thru ranger school does not make u a fucking ranger. Did you miss that several have since served in the Ranger Regiment? |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:19:18 AM EDT
[#33]
Ranger School went face down and ass up when they had to make changes after four guys died in one night.
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:22:12 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @freefalle7 your not as good as women. Also when do you suppose the first all female team will win "Best Ranger Competition"? Good luck with that, there's no way to game the system without EVERYONE seeing it. There are plenty of people out watching the competition and following the scores. It's even more of an endurance fest than Ranger School, each buddy team has to stay together and complete all tasks together, with minimal sleep and constant exertion from 0600 Friday to about 1600 Sunday, with at least two road runs, an all night ruck march, and several dozen other events (runs start and end the competition). Competitors are so worn down that as soon as they finish the final run, they are immediately taken to a first aid tent and a bag of fluids is administered, then they check if they're still dehydrated. One competitor when my brother competed had to miss the dinner because he had to be taken to the hospital, and that's just from the <50% of teams who complete the competition (and this past year was brutal, less than 1/3 of the teams completed the competition). |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:22:46 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: Has one passed BUD/S yet? @10mmillie Lol! No... |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:25:34 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dem nipples Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Demi Moore did! Dem nipples My buddy was OIC of Phase One when she was there :-) He has some stories... |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:27:26 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ranger School went face down and ass up when they had to make changes after four guys died in one night. They added more safety checks, including making sure evacuation assets were available, and restricting certain training when the conditions are too cold/wet and those assets aren't available. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:27:32 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: Two different things entirely. One is a difficult selection that turns into a rigorous school, and the other is a leadership course that is, quite frankly, easy. Lol! You know how I can tell when you graduated...? I give you shit, but I'm drunk and having fun What RS Class were you in? |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:30:21 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoneWolf545: They added more safety checks, including making sure evacuation assets were available, and restricting certain training when the conditions are too cold/wet and those assets aren't available. That's what I mean... |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 4:32:04 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoneWolf545: They added more safety checks, including making sure evacuation assets were available, and restricting certain training when the conditions are too cold/wet and those assets aren't available. You can have all the helos in the world, but it doesn't do a thing when it's fogged in. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 9:38:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: You can have all the helos in the world, but it doesn't do a thing when it's fogged in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: Originally Posted By LoneWolf545: They added more safety checks, including making sure evacuation assets were available, and restricting certain training when the conditions are too cold/wet and those assets aren't available. You can have all the helos in the world, but it doesn't do a thing when it's fogged in. That was part of it. I was there a few classes ahead and had a buddy in that class. I have friends who knew the deceased. IIRC: They got dropped off on a non-standard drop off. They started moving through water that was 4 feet deep or so and when they had to go admin and move to high ground, they didnt know how deep it was to move east and get out of the water. Dodge and Sansoucie were studs who had gone straight through up to that point and were very run down and had lost a lot of weight. Guys who had gone straight through got hit the hardest. The changes: They put a ton of repeaters and comms retrans tech in that part of the training area. They had to put lights in trees to improve limited vis helo operations. The standards for water depth at the drop offs were now go/no-go criteria and IIRC they had to recon the routes before each patrol so there were no surprises if there was a medical emergency. It may have changed more, later, but the changes in 1994 werent super controversial. My recollection is that the ground is sortof flat with dips and such until you hit high ground, and if there is recent flooding not having a recon of the depth along the route really was the issue. YMMV |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 9:48:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck it, let em in and fight. They can pull a trigger just like a man. Throw a 240B in their hands! |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 10:06:30 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B2V_Mike: Sewing your tab on with white thread for the winter Ranger school grads has been a thing way before I got mine. 05-01 The article makes it sound new. My bad |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 10:17:20 AM EDT
[#44]
Meh. What is the point if your own government does more damage to your economy than 100 9/11s?
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Posted: 5/4/2020 10:25:05 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alaskajetpilot: My experience with women pilots going through pilot training in the USAF. We had a couple that did fairly well. Never as good as the best men. Most of the others did not complete the course. This shadows my experience operationally and later on in the airlines. If you set the bar equally then most women do not finish well. @alaskajetpilot My experience with women pilots in the Army is they got killed. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 10:25:49 AM EDT
[#46]
The army needs to start injecting all males with Testosterone Ethanate.....that's what I got out of this article
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Posted: 5/4/2020 10:34:06 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: A woman graduating No.1 from Infantry OBC says less about her and more about either (1) shitty male infantry LTs, (2) weak IOBC standards, or (3) both. I cannot imagine being a new Infantry 2LT arriving at his first unit and being hit with “you were in THAT IOBC class? You got beat by a girl?” They pick them. There are ways to cover their ass. In ALC I had a GPA which was over 1 percent higher than the black dude and female in my group who got on the commandant's list. They cover their bases by building the 1059s and what they put in them. I also had more "responsibilities" than both of those two combined. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 11:09:54 AM EDT
[#48]
Are men and women still segregated during PT at jump school?
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Posted: 5/4/2020 11:20:19 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: The article makes it sound new. My bad Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By 11B2V_Mike: Sewing your tab on with white thread for the winter Ranger school grads has been a thing way before I got mine. 05-01 The article makes it sound new. My bad No worries, hell the media could have directly interviewed tons of Rangers and then still twisted/fucked up/or slanted what they said to push their agenda. Unless I see a direct quote from someone I know or that is vouched for, I take any media story with a huge block of salt. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 11:27:12 AM EDT
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