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Posted: 2/14/2022 4:18:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. If I'm shooting a revolver it's because I don't want to shoot fast. Take my time and savory Fast double action shooting with a revolver is a joy. We weren't allowed to shoot single action and everything was done with the DA trigger. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 4:21:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dare you to go get a few coats at the goodwill store and go to a public range and practice shooting through the pockets  I'm so going to do that. As soon as l have more .38 loaded up. 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 4:35:51 PM EDT
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HKS speedlloaders are available for more variety of guns. I own both Colt and S&W revolvers. Safariland only makes them for specific guns, and I would rather use the action over multiple guns. Also for range use, after 5 or 6 speeder reloads, the chambers on the gun get dirty, and the round won't drop down, so you have to push down.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:55:45 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AFAIK, Safariland are not available for .45AR. Correct? Wrong |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm so going to do that. As soon as l have more .38 loaded up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dare you to go get a few coats at the goodwill store and go to a public range and practice shooting through the pockets I'm so going to do that. As soon as l have more .38 loaded up. Yes!! Please have someone filming the line |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 5:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've only got HKS because they're half the price* of Safariland which I have understood to be the better thing to have for 15 years or so. That said, all my speedloaders do is sit in the safe so I see no need to acquire. *I looked them up on Brownells before completing this post and they seem to have come down to a totally reasonable price. I seem to remember them being $25-30, or maybe that's just my imagination. https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=safariland+speed&ksubmit=y I'd never heard of this 5 Star but boy do they make some beautiful looking stuff that I didn't know I needed. That man has pretty much mastered the craft of speedloading a revolver. Unfortunately, it's still slower than reloading a Glock 17 and you have 11 fewer rounds to work with. Then you're sooner reloading again, which is slower...it's like a self-licking ice cream cone. I don't disagree that it's slower but the ridiculous concept of needing 34 rounds for self defense is fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:03:37 PM EDT
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Have Comp I, II, and III's for my revolvers. HKS sucks. Now back to your regular scheduled program.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:13:20 PM EDT
[#8]
I like the HKS ones and the Speedbeez ones, but everyone has different preferences.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:18:14 PM EDT
[#9]
I never had any problem with HKS, holds the loads firmly n' all.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree that it's slower but the ridiculous concept of needing 34 rounds for self defense is fucking retarded. If you say so, chief. I don't know why I and most any other uniformed police officer would carry 52+ rounds on duty then. That's for self-defense, is it not? I don't carry that much ammo for my G43, but if I were in a defensive situation I would sure rather have a G17 with extra magazines. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:39:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree that it's slower but the ridiculous concept of needing 34 rounds for self defense is fucking retarded. I don't carry a spare mag for the rounds, I carry it for the mag. Mags are a primary failure point for a self-loader. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you say so, chief. I don't know why I and most any other uniformed police officer would carry 52+ rounds on duty then. That's for self-defense, is it not? I don't carry that much ammo for my G43, but if I were in a defensive situation I would sure rather have a G17 with extra magazines. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't disagree that it's slower but the ridiculous concept of needing 34 rounds for self defense is fucking retarded. If you say so, chief. I don't know why I and most any other uniformed police officer would carry 52+ rounds on duty then. That's for self-defense, is it not? I don't carry that much ammo for my G43, but if I were in a defensive situation I would sure rather have a G17 with extra magazines. Ok chief. No it's not self defense if you're on duty  . You are out looking for trouble. I'm not.You even contradict yourself by carrying a g43. I'm not in Fallujah anymore. I don't need the same loadout. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't carry a spare mag for the rounds, I carry it for the mag. Mags are a primary failure point for a self-loader. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't disagree that it's slower but the ridiculous concept of needing 34 rounds for self defense is fucking retarded. I don't carry a spare mag for the rounds, I carry it for the mag. Mags are a primary failure point for a self-loader. Ok, then you don't feel the need for 34 rounds and my point stands. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:45:54 PM EDT
[#14]
Love 5 star
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI want some of those. Are they really heavy? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:49:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want some of those. Are they really heavy? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:50:20 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want some of those. Are they really heavy? Millied billit so not really I don't care about weight though |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:55:01 PM EDT
[#18]
I use Safariland and HKS. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:00:21 PM EDT
[#19]
I got a bunch of HKs for $2 each at a sale and theyre fine for what I do. Id get safarilands if i shot more uspsa.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:05:54 PM EDT
[#20]
Moon clips are way faster and cheaper.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:12:48 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, then you don't feel the need for 34 rounds and my point stands. Some guys just NEED the ammo in case they get into a firefight in front of the Cheeto display.  I can use a speed loader with either hand or even one handed and do it in a fairly short time frame. That was taught in the academy. It's more than adequate. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:14:59 PM EDT
[#22]
I've always preferred the Safariland speedloaders. It's the one my PD issued waaay back in the day so I don't know WTF you're talking about.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:16:11 PM EDT
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Many years ago I used the HKS ones...not exactly tier one...but then...neither is a revolver these days.
I don't think i own a single speed loader any longer. My current revolvers are either single action or safe queens. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:31:18 PM EDT
[#24]
I have one HKS that is very loose and likes to dump prematurely. The other three work fine. Haven't tried other brands.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:36:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong Okay, I just took another look. Safariland.com, and then Brownell's. .38/.357 and one .44 Magnum (Comp I). You have a part/catalog number or source for the Auto-Rim version? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 9:30:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Moon clips are way faster and cheaper. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 9:39:17 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, I just took another look. Safariland.com, and then Brownell's. .38/.357 and one .44 Magnum (Comp I). You have a part/catalog number or source for the Auto-Rim version? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wrong Okay, I just took another look. Safariland.com, and then Brownell's. .38/.357 and one .44 Magnum (Comp I). You have a part/catalog number or source for the Auto-Rim version? I'm sorry, I thought you just meant speed loaders in general. I think safariland made comp 2s a long time ago. He's does make .45/44 ones |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 9:45:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Unfortunately the SL Variant speed loaders are discontinued but they were really good. We picked up a few when we bought out first revolver:
 S.L. Variant Revolver Speedloader |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 10:07:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sorry, I thought you just meant speed loaders in general. I think safariland made comp 2s a long time ago. He's does make .45/44 ones No problem man. I have seen some brands other than HKS for .45 AR, but currently I draw a big blank. 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 10:25:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately the SL Variant speed loaders are discontinued but they were really good. We picked up a few when we bought out first revolver:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9N6xwEHJJQRevolverguys introduced me to the SL Variant, right after they were discontinued, lol. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 11:12:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No problem man. I have seen some brands other than HKS for .45 AR, but currently I draw a big blank. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm sorry, I thought you just meant speed loaders in general. I think safariland made comp 2s a long time ago. He's does make .45/44 ones No problem man. I have seen some brands other than HKS for .45 AR, but currently I draw a big blank. Have you tried a 45 colt speedloader? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 11:38:45 PM EDT
[#32]
I always thought it was due to the size. I have some for when I dabbled in Revo for IDPA. HKS seems more "carry freindly" being smaller and compact where as the SLs are faster to use. Just slap it instead of twisting the knob.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 11:47:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Several reasons. HKS speedloaders were cheaper, (I seem to remember them being half the cost) easier to find in gun shops, smaller and commonly mandated by equipment policy for police at the time. The belt carriers also were easier to come by. I'm still using the same ones from the 80's. This |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 11:48:46 PM EDT
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BTW, we shot not only DA only with revolvers, but we did natural point shooting (sometimes called point shoulder). With speedloaders, it was a blast. I taught all my nephews to do that and to walk a can. One was taken to the range by his friends who were not aware that he had been trained. They did SA shooting, shot a shotgun like pattern and then offered it to him. He shot it DA and kept it in a tight group. They were shocked. He told them, "beginner's luck."
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Posted: 2/14/2022 11:54:59 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: It does seem like they are made out of pretty cheap plastic compared to the hks ones, but ive tested a couple of them by loading them, throwing them up in the air about 15 feet and letting them hit the ground. I have yet to have one blow apart yet by doing that. I can reload probably 2 or 3 times faster with the safariland due to the fact that you just simply push the rounds in vs having to twist something to release them on the hks. In fact, i would dare almost say that using those is probably just as or almost as fast as changing a mag in a semi auto. But it seems like everyone still just sticks with the hks speed loaders for some reason. Who said they are not? |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:02:23 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW, we shot not only DA only with revolvers, but we did natural point shooting (sometimes called point shoulder). With speedloaders, it was a blast. A forum member here who has since passed was one of my firearms instructors when I was in the academy. He was also a firearms mentor of mine for years before the academy. He took an interest in me, I think, because I was so very interested in revolvers. During my academy firearms course, a know-it-all (NG guy) asked of an instructor why we needed to bother with learning revolvers, as they were antiquated pieces of trash (I'm paraphrasing). I looked at ikor and he smirked at me and I took that as license to open my mouth. I offered to shoot the qualification course with the academy revolver (S&W Model 67s) against him shooting the M&P 9mm that we were to normally shoot. I informed Loudmouth that I would shoot the course, not only with a better score, but a better time than he would, though I probably displayed a lot more confidence in this feat than I felt. I'd been watching his shooting scores with the M&P 9mm, and I felt pretty sure I'd beat him. Sadly, the instructors told us that no shooting contests were allowed. ikor later pulled me aside and told me that if I'd shot the contest and beat him, they'd fail me from the course for not being able to restrain myself from arguing with idiots.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:04:37 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you tried a 45 colt speedloader? Well, the configuration and spacing could be correct, but the "teeth" that engage the cartridge would need to be relieved for the extra thickness of the Auto-Rim's rim. I would want to examine one first-hand to see what disassembly entails before laying out any cash to buy one for experimenting. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:46:26 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok chief. No it's not self defense if you're on duty . You are out looking for trouble. I'm not.Is a gunfight on duty much different than one off duty? No looking for trouble here. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 3:01:31 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes!! Please have someone filming the line Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I dare you to go get a few coats at the goodwill store and go to a public range and practice shooting through the pockets I'm so going to do that. As soon as l have more .38 loaded up. Yes!! Please have someone filming the line .not going to happen with the paranoid guys l shoot with. Lol |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 3:28:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately the SL Variant speed loaders are discontinued but they were really good. We picked up a few when we bought out first revolver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9N6xwEHJJQQuote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately the SL Variant speed loaders are discontinued but they were really good. We picked up a few when we bought out first revolver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9N6xwEHJJQNot quite https://www.slvariant.com/ SL Variant speedloader is best speedloader. Period. Full stop. Hoping they make a 6-shot .357 N-Frame model soon. Or Safariland, those are second best. The 5-Stars just look like HKSs with lipstick on em. A bit prettier but still the same inferior system. I would avoid those. They seemed like a neat idea when I first saw 'em. But reading what those things will do to the crane/yoke after a while made me NOPE the hell out. I love my revolver too much to be abusing it like that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:17:13 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would avoid those. They seemed like a neat idea when I first saw 'em. But reading what those things will do to the crane/yoke after a while made me NOPE the hell out. I love my revolver too much to be abusing it like that. Oh yeah, they're terrible  The straight strips are way better than that, I was just trying to answer the question.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:24:24 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope not yet Hoping to get a chance this week or weekend to give it a go Quite a bit different internally vs other Smith revolvers. There is not a traditional hand like you have in Smiths to turn the cylinder. The star is quite a bit simpler as well. https://i.imgur.com/GKgqkPuh.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you shot it yet? You liking it? Nope not yet Hoping to get a chance this week or weekend to give it a go Quite a bit different internally vs other Smith revolvers. There is not a traditional hand like you have in Smiths to turn the cylinder. The star is quite a bit simpler as well. https://i.imgur.com/GKgqkPuh.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:40:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, then you don't feel the need for 34 rounds and my point stands. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't disagree that it's slower but the ridiculous concept of needing 34 rounds for self defense is fucking retarded. I don't carry a spare mag for the rounds, I carry it for the mag. Mags are a primary failure point for a self-loader. Ok, then you don't feel the need for 34 rounds and my point stands. The gunfight will last only as long as your ammo. After that, you’re just getting shot at. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:06:25 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm speed reloading a revolver I've already fucked up twice. 
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:18:59 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Is a gunfight on duty much different than one off duty? No looking for trouble here. Quoted: The gunfight will last only as long as your ammo. After that, you’re just getting shot at. Could you guys post some of these high round count self defense shootings? I'm not saying don't carry plenty of ammo. I just don't think it's really needed. I often carry 3 spare 1911 mags or up to 3 reloads for my revolver so I do appreciate spare ammo. I just think it's an overblown issue. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:41:13 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not quite https://www.slvariant.com/ SL Variant speedloader is best speedloader. Period. Full stop. Hoping they make a 6-shot .357 N-Frame model soon. Or Safariland, those are second best. The 5-Stars just look like HKSs with lipstick on em. A bit prettier but still the same inferior system. I would avoid those. They seemed like a neat idea when I first saw 'em. But reading what those things will do to the crane/yoke after a while made me NOPE the hell out. I love my revolver too much to be abusing it like that. That site seems pretty sketchy. Anyone order from it yet? |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:45:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That site seems pretty sketchy. Anyone order from it yet? There was a thread in the revolver forums about it. Apparently some people did and got theirs. Order with a CC. If they play games, just do a charge-back through your card. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:53:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:57:27 PM EDT
[#49]
I have several speedloaders I've bought and never used. I guess I envisioned more of a use for them when I bought them. When I occasionally take revolvers to the range, it's just as quick to load them by hand than to find the speedloads and dink around with them. When I was carrying a j-frame more, I did have a couple of speed strips I carried with it.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:14:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a thread in the revolver forums about it. Apparently some people did and got theirs. Order with a CC. If they play games, just do a charge-back through your card. Cool, thanks |
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