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Posted: 1/8/2014 10:48:35 AM EST
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. Kind of makes you wonder what the "purpose" of a no-knock raid is, doesn't it? More fear and intimidation? Nah. Speed, Surprise, and violence of action. Breach and get inside the bad guys OODA loop before he can arm himself and do any damage. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 10:52:49 AM EST
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I've never saw a vehicle handcuff anyone.
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Posted: 1/8/2014 10:56:40 AM EST
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I guess he forgot about what happened at the Boston Marathon too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope the police are ready to deal with IED attacks. 
1960 called I guess he forgot about what happened at the Boston Marathon too. Abortion clinic bomber, Atlanta olympics bomber, OSU University of Oklahoma, etc...all anti-personnel. Big difference between anti-personnel IED's and anti-armored vehicle IEDs. The proliferation of these MRAPs will bring about the shift eventually. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 10:57:14 AM EST
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I'd pay $2000 for that!
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Posted: 1/8/2014 10:57:51 AM EST
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A M1A2 can't fight against Molotov cocktails. Wanna make a Tanker nervous? Make him drive down a street with buildings taller than the tank. All armored vehicle are vulnerable from above. They might be able to fight them off a bit but a bunch of Molotovs will fuck up a fighting vehicle.
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Posted: 1/8/2014 10:59:02 AM EST
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Wonder how long before some idiot rolls it doing 75 on the highway. 
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Posted: 1/8/2014 11:03:48 AM EST
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Intimidating the community isn't the way to police a community. It worked for the Nazis, the Soviet Union, Mao's china, Chavez's Venezuela... |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 11:06:47 AM EST
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A M1A2 can't fight against Molotov cocktails. Wanna make a Tanker nervous? Make him drive down a street with buildings taller than the tank. All armored vehicle are vulnerable from above. They might be able to fight them off a bit but a bunch of Molotovs will fuck up a fighting vehicle. i was a tanker. Just you try it. Hell, the guys inside might not even KNOW it unless somebody calls them on the radio and tells them. 
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Posted: 1/8/2014 11:08:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: neva been dun befo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wonder how long before some idiot rolls it doing 75 on the highway. neva been dun befo Does each one come with the required Rollover Egress Trainer?  |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 11:59:33 AM EST
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police are not militerized because they have armor. lots of civilians have armor. its is also nothing new. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the police become militarized, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. police are not militerized because they have armor. lots of civilians have armor. its is also nothing new. Civilians don't have MRAPs and haven't come out like the idiot sherriff in the article boasting about how they are going to use it against the bad guys. Let's not forget the images of armored police, rolling through neighborhoods and rousting out EVERYONE while they searched for the Boston bombing suspect. A suspect they never even found. Instead we have images like this; 
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:08:01 PM EST
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I was a Tanker too. If you drive a tank down a street with buildings higher than you and it takes a few good Molotovs, they will burn the seals out of the loaders and TC hatch. After they are gone, you can't overpressure. Add a few more and eventually you will cause the guys inside some concern. If all you do is make the tank unass the area then you win. The difference between military operations and police operations is that the wing tank could light up the bomb throwers, in a place that only has one armored vehicle, they don't have the luxury of wing men.
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:10:03 PM EST
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Civilians don't have MRAPs and haven't come out like the idiot sherriff in the article boasting about how they are going to use it against the bad guys. Let's not forget the images of armored police, rolling through neighborhoods and rousting out EVERYONE while they searched for the Boston bombing suspect. A suspect they never even found. Instead we have images like this; https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa_7u3MxRYqDrCFHir8hpZSih1NE0EI0AI0duCoSdzjrrbzuNC http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/helenair.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/d8/ed884ac0-a9eb-11e2-9eae-0019bb2963f4/5172e4de1e3a2.preview-620.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the police become militarized, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. police are not militerized because they have armor. lots of civilians have armor. its is also nothing new. Civilians don't have MRAPs and haven't come out like the idiot sherriff in the article boasting about how they are going to use it against the bad guys. Let's not forget the images of armored police, rolling through neighborhoods and rousting out EVERYONE while they searched for the Boston bombing suspect. A suspect they never even found. Instead we have images like this; https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa_7u3MxRYqDrCFHir8hpZSih1NE0EI0AI0duCoSdzjrrbzuNC http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/helenair.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/d8/ed884ac0-a9eb-11e2-9eae-0019bb2963f4/5172e4de1e3a2.preview-620.jpg Nope. Your right, civilians dont have MRAPs, they have tanks. http://www.katu.com/news/local/Man-cited-after-crashing-battle-tank-twice-near-Gold-Beach-234788731.html?mobile=y |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:11:20 PM EST
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Tinfoil post, militarization of police ain't happening. I lol'd because the schmuck in the mrap has to get out eventually. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:11:48 PM EST
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Future Obama Corps leader
The militarization is getting out of hand I loved the Sheriff choppers today working with ground units today on speed traps on I75 south of Atlanta today Wonder how much a bell jet ranger costs to run catching speeders with ground units America is no longer..... |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:12:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Intimidating the community isn't the way to police a community. Lol, who's intimidated?
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:13:10 PM EST
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Nope. Your right, civilians dont have MRAPs, they have tanks. http://www.katu.com/news/local/Man-cited-after-crashing-battle-tank-twice-near-Gold-Beach-234788731.html?mobile=y Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the police become militarized, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. police are not militerized because they have armor. lots of civilians have armor. its is also nothing new. Civilians don't have MRAPs and haven't come out like the idiot sherriff in the article boasting about how they are going to use it against the bad guys. Let's not forget the images of armored police, rolling through neighborhoods and rousting out EVERYONE while they searched for the Boston bombing suspect. A suspect they never even found. Instead we have images like this; https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa_7u3MxRYqDrCFHir8hpZSih1NE0EI0AI0duCoSdzjrrbzuNC http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/helenair.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/d8/ed884ac0-a9eb-11e2-9eae-0019bb2963f4/5172e4de1e3a2.preview-620.jpg Nope. Your right, civilians dont have MRAPs, they have tanks. http://www.katu.com/news/local/Man-cited-after-crashing-battle-tank-twice-near-Gold-Beach-234788731.html?mobile=y Guess we better surplus you guys some Abrams then. 
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:13:48 PM EST
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I can't tell, is he wearing cargo pants? Yes 511's |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:19:55 PM EST
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Are IEDs really that easy for people to make in a country where explosives are highly regulated? I mean, this isn't the ME. It's been a while since I've seen ordinance laying around, so I'll just assume that the majority if the IED talk is typical loudmouth blowhard nonsense. Not that I would know anything about it, but I hear there are a few homemade explosives which are quite simple to make. Heck, I heard a tale about one only requiring poop, alcohol, and a high powered rifle for stump removal. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:20:05 PM EST
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Probably use it to roll down Avenue D to threaten the "Natives".
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:24:23 PM EST
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alot of you kids seem to be obsessed with attacking police, defeating their protection, and harming innocent people Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have this image in mind that they have a U-Joint in the middle. alot of you kids seem to be obsessed with attacking police, defeating their protection, and harming innocent people For me it's more about showing some cocky sumbitch that he's not as awesome as he thinks he is. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:24:26 PM EST
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Just following orders, keeping you safe.
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:24:50 PM EST
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I lol'd because the schmuck in the mrap has to get out eventually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tinfoil post, militarization of police ain't happening. I lol'd because the schmuck in the mrap has to get out eventually. He's not in the MRAP.. He's 6 houses over with a scoped rifle. It seems the tinfoil crowd is so cocky they cannot figure out that vehicles approaching a threat get infantry and sniper support. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:40:18 PM EST
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It's my understanding the basic running gear and chassis is standard dump truck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait till it breaks down. It's my understanding the basic running gear and chassis is standard dump truck. Yep the Caiman Cat 1 Plus is basically an IH dump truck with a Cat motor. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:43:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI did nazi see that one coming. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:45:10 PM EST
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I did nazi see that one coming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I did nazi see that one coming. 
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:47:35 PM EST
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He's not in the MRAP.. He's 6 houses over with a scoped rifle. It seems the tinfoil crowd is so cocky they cannot figure out that vehicles approaching a threat get infantry and sniper support. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tinfoil post, militarization of police ain't happening. I lol'd because the schmuck in the mrap has to get out eventually. He's not in the MRAP.. He's 6 houses over with a scoped rifle. It seems the tinfoil crowd is so cocky they cannot figure out that vehicles approaching a threat get infantry and sniper support. And as is often pointed out, this isn't military, its police. We are not fighting a war or an insurgency. We are just trying to get that gunman out alive and keep anyone else from getting hurt. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:47:53 PM EST
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:53:07 PM EST
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He's not in the MRAP.. He's 6 houses over with a scoped rifle. It seems the tinfoil crowd is so cocky they cannot figure out that vehicles approaching a threat get infantry and sniper support. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tinfoil post, militarization of police ain't happening. I lol'd because the schmuck in the mrap has to get out eventually. He's not in the MRAP.. He's 6 houses over with a scoped rifle. It seems the tinfoil crowd is so cocky they cannot figure out that vehicles approaching a threat get infantry and sniper support. The cops in my town are smart and methodical. They'll do as you describe. A guy posing with his toy claiming to be the baddest lawman to have ever pinned on badge probably won't. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:53:18 PM EST
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Nah. Speed, Surprise, and violence of action. Breach and get inside the bad guys OODA loop before he can arm himself and do any damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Kind of makes you wonder what the "purpose" of a no-knock raid is, doesn't it? More fear and intimidation? Nah. Speed, Surprise, and violence of action. Breach and get inside the bad guys OODA loop before he can arm himself and do any damage. Well back in my day, the cops would just call the bad guy and inform them that they needed to turn themselves in. They politely agreed on a time and that was that. ETA: And the police were all called "Peace Officers", not law enforcement. They all wore dress pants. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:53:38 PM EST
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Casey Anthony was a stripper down there for awhile too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2012 Census reports < 42.000 residents in Ft Pierce. His name is Sean Baldwin. Thank you. They are akso a fucked up agency. Just google ray toombs.  No...She wasn't.
A local bar that has girls dance in bikinis put a job offer to her on their sign out front as a joke. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 12:57:09 PM EST
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Tell me more about the V100
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Posted: 1/8/2014 1:02:36 PM EST
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Well back in my day, the cops would just call the bad guy and inform them that they needed to turn themselves in. They politely agreed on a time and that was that. ETA: And the police were all called "Peace Officers", not law enforcement. They all wore dress pants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Kind of makes you wonder what the "purpose" of a no-knock raid is, doesn't it? More fear and intimidation? Nah. Speed, Surprise, and violence of action. Breach and get inside the bad guys OODA loop before he can arm himself and do any damage. Well back in my day, the cops would just call the bad guy and inform them that they needed to turn themselves in. They politely agreed on a time and that was that. ETA: And the police were all called "Peace Officers", not law enforcement. They all wore dress pants. 
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Posted: 1/8/2014 1:03:29 PM EST
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The cops in my town are smart and methodical. They'll do as you describe. A guy posing with his toy claiming to be the baddest lawman to have ever pinned on badge probably won't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tinfoil post, militarization of police ain't happening. I lol'd because the schmuck in the mrap has to get out eventually. He's not in the MRAP.. He's 6 houses over with a scoped rifle. It seems the tinfoil crowd is so cocky they cannot figure out that vehicles approaching a threat get infantry and sniper support. The cops in my town are smart and methodical. They'll do as you describe. A guy posing with his toy claiming to be the baddest lawman to have ever pinned on badge probably won't. The guy posing is never going to be the guy on a scene where the MRAP is used. He's a politician. |
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Posted: 1/8/2014 5:03:07 PM EST
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Thread and several accounts.
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