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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:32:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGod damn it I automatically read that in Hank Hill's voice and lost it 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:32:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guarantee I could not. 03RN was going to try but I didn’t see if he did it yet. ETA. Speak of the devil.  Hmm I sense a weekend challenge 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:33:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to bulls eye womp-mice in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 2".  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:33:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something like 10 shots at 40yrds in 15 seconds against a man size silhouette, gotta make 8 of the shots hits. However, as far as I can tell that's just not how things happened. From what I gather (and this could be completely wrong because I don't watch the news and I don't really care very much) he was walking toward the BG while engaging and using his non-firing hand to usher people dafuq out. For the last 15 years I haven't practiced defensive handgun shooting in any way other than while moving except for a few drills at training classes. The training classes stressed mastering shooting in motion unless using solid cover so just standing there in one spot driving shots at a target wasn't something they spent much time on. In my opinion, if I'm not able to keep the X in motion while making reliable center mass hits then I'm training to have a duel, not a gunfight. If you want to train with some drill, train with it. Train with all the drills you can google up. If you only train one way then you're rehearsing, not training. In any event, as far as I can tell, the Dicken drill is pretty much gunnie larping + mental masturbation meant to make people feel better about themselves while others pat them on the back for pretending to be as badass as Mr. Dicken apparently is. It is kinda neat though that we've got just unbelievable performances by 2 defensive shooters who are (apparently) essentially untrained. Mr. Rittenhouse, who's performance was nothing less than stunning given the dynamic situation & close range & the trigger control he executed. Mr. Dicken who seems to have dove into action with zero hesitation or fucks given and also seems to have not only behaved as a heroic keeper of his fellow man but also as a truly competent pistol driver in a dynamic long range situation where he displayed obviously fantastic scene control, communications, trigger control and sight picture. So you would move even if your initial position provided cover and concealment? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:35:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 rounds at 40 yards in 15 seconds. You know, the 22 year old that stopped a mass shooter from across the food court with a concealed carry gun. Using iron sights! 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:35:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm I sense a weekend challenge Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guarantee I could not. 03RN was going to try but I didn’t see if he did it yet. ETA. Speak of the devil. Hmm I sense a weekend challenge You guys are better than I am. I am doing some slow fire precision shooting tonight though. I hope to do better than last week. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:35:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of want to do the dickens drill with a revolver now move seen it done several times online now  Dicken Drill. Cold. Snub. Deep Carry. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding this shooting, did the shooter ever return the good guy’s fire? Video has not been released but from what I have gathered, no. Eli hit the perp with one of his early shots and the perp was quickly out of the fight. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:36:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding this shooting, did the shooter ever return the good guy’s fire? You mean the guy who was shot 8 times in 10 seconds? That guy full of lead? You wonder if he shot back? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:36:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWith a .22? Man Idk if I count that one personally 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:37:26 AM EDT
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My brother and I were doing the drill yesterday, me with an optic equipped canik and he with a stock sights Glock. The optic definitely makes the difference. At that distance our target was mostly covered by his sights but the optic made it much easier to see and hit.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:37:27 AM EDT
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I don't know why anyone would get hung up on it. It's a training tool, not the only training tool. Training and skill checks are good things. It isn't replacing long held doctrine or negating anything, it's just an addition.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:40:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch.  |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know why anyone would get hung up on it. It's a training tool, not the only training tool. Training and skill checks are good things. It isn't replacing long held doctrine or negating anything, it's just an addition. Training? Son this is about STOPPING POWER. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:41:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:42:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch. It is the best of drills, it is the worst of drills. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:43:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With a .22? Man Idk if I count that one personally Quote HistoryQuoted: With a .22? Man Idk if I count that one personally he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:43:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny cause it's true Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ah, the Fudds OP was talking about are here  Being planned for 8/14 shoot if it happens. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:43:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully in just a couple of years the fudds will have gone the way of the dodo In my observation, "Fudd" is not necessarily relegated to age. It is a mental state of inflexibility beyond a spoon fed dogma. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun Hmm I guess I have never fired a .22 revolver. I wasnt aware of that |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:44:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guarantee I could not. 03RN was going to try but I didn’t see if he did it yet. ETA. Speak of the devil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: NY reload is the way to go. I really think I could get it done with a reload I guarantee I could not. 03RN was going to try but I didn’t see if he did it yet. ETA. Speak of the devil. I might try with my m19 but sometimes shells don't slide perfectly in during reloads. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:44:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? Don't you remember a Charles Dickens ? He wrote books back when you were in Elementary school and one of his books was about shooting ghost . |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:45:06 AM EDT
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If (and likely when) somebody gets a confirmed self defense kill at say 100 yards+ with a pistol, are people going to create the "100 yard dash drill" and proclaim its necessity?
I think you train for what you are able to effectively do. Most of these people doing "drills" on youtube knows "Dicken" is currently "IN" and gets clicks and views (see MONEY) *Cryptobro who understands how fads work in relation to making money off of them* |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:45:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we define “fudd”? No idea, because the Dicken Drill is actually Fudd style old timey shooting. 50 yards used to be the standard pistol shooting distance. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:45:24 AM EDT
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 The Dicken Drill - 10 shots at 40 Yards in 15 Seconds here's a revolver with a reload |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:45:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun this guy did it too  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RgQk93VrJ0Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With a .22? Man Idk if I count that one personally he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun this guy did it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RgQk93VrJ0The Ruger 22 LCR has a better trigger than .38 j frames |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:45:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun That sounds awful, why would you buy one? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:45:51 AM EDT
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The drill itself seems a little superfluous and naming it after the guy before he's given any public indication of whether he'd prefer not to be famous for this seems kind of cringey, but the limited details of the shooting that we have do provide food for thought and a helpful reminder that you should go outside your comfortable and expected practice sometimes just in case.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:46:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I might try with my m19 but sometimes shells don't slide perfectly in during reloads. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: NY reload is the way to go. I really think I could get it done with a reload I guarantee I could not. 03RN was going to try but I didn’t see if he did it yet. ETA. Speak of the devil. I might try with my m19 but sometimes shells don't slide perfectly in during reloads. I have faith in you. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:48:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, the Fudds OP was talking about are here Lol. That’s about 85% of this place. The median age here has to be around 55-60 ish years old. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:53:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding this shooting, did the shooter ever return the good guy’s fire? From what i read, Mr Dicken's first couple of shots hit Mr Crazy somewhere vital or structural and he "whithered". The final closing/charging shots were insurance to make sure Mr Crazy did not continue his rampage. If I'm wrong, i stand corrected. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:53:34 AM EDT
[#32]
Fun to do but not the end all be all drill.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:53:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds awful, why would you buy one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun That sounds awful, why would you buy one? cause you can still shoot the Dicken Drill with one and it weighs very little  this episode seems a very strong case for Indian>arrow |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:54:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True, but we don't know those details yet. The drill was created with what little information we have. Once we see the video we can update the drill to be more accurate. I don't see it as masturbatory fantasies, just people wanting to celebrate him for exercising his right to carry and being willing to do the right thing to protect himself, his loved ones and other people. It also changes what most people thought the typical self-defense scenario looked like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The "Dicken Drill" makes me cringe. the poor guy probably hates all this attention and masterbating but isn't allowed to speak yet about it. he also didn't shoot all his rounds from the god tier 40 yards away range. he did a damn fine job stopping that threat, and has my respect. I can appreciate people motivated to train some more because of this, but still..... True, but we don't know those details yet. The drill was created with what little information we have. Once we see the video we can update the drill to be more accurate. I don't see it as masturbatory fantasies, just people wanting to celebrate him for exercising his right to carry and being willing to do the right thing to protect himself, his loved ones and other people. It also changes what most people thought the typical self-defense scenario looked like. It most certainly should not change "what most people thought the typical self-defense scenario looked like". It was a real outlier. The typical self-defense pistol use is still very much being fast, accurate, at close quarters against an assailant who is FOCUSED on YOU. I deeply admire what this young man accomplished. I hope he and his very conscientious girl friend get married, raise ten kids like them and have long prosperous lives. This country needs that, desperately. But, lets not get confused on the world we actually live in. I have always practiced pistols at longer range because what that takes makes me a better shooter at close range. No argument there. But, there is a a bit of a crowd posing feature of this now that should be beneath gun owners. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:55:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ruger 22 LCR has a better trigger than .38 j frames Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: With a .22? Man Idk if I count that one personally he's got 8 rounds, but 22 DA revolvers are maybe the hardest to shoot for accuracy. His triggers probably 12+ pounds in a 14 ounce gun this guy did it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RgQk93VrJ0The Ruger 22 LCR has a better trigger than .38 j frames Probably true, still heavy though- the 22 LCRs have a heavier trigger than the rest |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:56:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:57:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using iron sights! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/1f/6a/741f6a1cf2128ea0a99e1df2bc3d69de.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10 rounds at 40 yards in 15 seconds. You know, the 22 year old that stopped a mass shooter from across the food court with a concealed carry gun. Using iron sights! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/1f/6a/741f6a1cf2128ea0a99e1df2bc3d69de.jpg That is hilarious! |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:58:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. That’s about 85% of this place. The median age here has to be around 55-60 ish years old. That’s because old folks actually have money to buy guns. We didn’t spend it all on avocado toast and video games. We believed in firm handshakes, hair on a pussy, and pistol malfunctions. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:58:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to bulls eye womp-mice in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 2". That’s impossible, even for a computer!! |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:59:11 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the poor guy probably hates all this attention and masterbating but isn't allowed to speak yet about it. LE wasn't going to release his name, he told them it was okay to do so. I listened to the press conference. Obviously his name would have come out later. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:00:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you two read ANY news? I read a fuckton of news, MSM and otherwise. I have not once seen any reference to this guy's name, or how many rounds were fired or from what distance. The media is fucking worthless. Anything past 25 yards - yeah this is going to turn into an optics on carry pistols thread. I always used to do at least a bit of pistol shooting from 25-60 yards; now I shoot quite a bit at 50 or so.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's because old folks actually have money to buy guns. We didn't spend it all on avocado toast and video games. We believed in firm handshakes, hair on a pussy, and pistol malfunctions. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI need a comp 3. At least for competitions. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:06:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? Did he make a cider we should try? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:07:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. You must work for the NRA. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything past 25 yards - yeah this is going to turn into an optics on carry pistols thread. I always used to do at least a bit of pistol shooting from 25-60 yards; now I shoot quite a bit at 50 or so.We going for a Fudd trigger hat trick? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's odd to call the 333 rule silly and then cite a source that generally supports it. Maybe it should be 3 rounds, 3 seconds, 5 yards- but that's far from "silliness." Lucky Gunner link I don't understand hate towards the Dickens Drill. This is obviously a rare occurrence (which is why we're discussing it) but I find training for a higher bar helps with success at a lower bar. I shot this a couple days ago at 6 yards with 1 second target presentations (that target hanger spins) as a general believer in the 3-3-5 (?) rule knowing 6 is harder than 5 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179834/AE999127-BA38-4A55-A189-F121F641D9AA_jpe-2469400.JPG Friends and I used to do a LOT of night shooting a drills. The idea was that if we were proficient in low-light, a self-defense shooting during daylight would be like cheating. I never thought I would be engaging a bunch of people attacking me at night across a field. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:09:50 PM EDT
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So does anyone know what type/model/caliber pistol he made his fame with?
That kind of shooting would be impossible I think with a small .380 pocket pistol. Probably impossible for me overall with his results at that distance. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:11:11 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So does anyone know what type/model/caliber pistol he made his fame with? That kind of shooting would be impossible I think with a small .380 pocket pistol. Probably impossible for me overall with his results at that distance. I REALLY hope its a Taurus Millenium |
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