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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:11:24 PM EDT
[#1]
I do the UPS drill.
You empty every magazine near you into a huge target without caring what you strike. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:11:59 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:12:01 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Something like 10 shots at 40yrds in 15 seconds against a man size silhouette, gotta make 8 of the shots hits. However, as far as I can tell that's just not how things happened. From what I gather (and this could be completely wrong because I don't watch the news and I don't really care very much) he was walking toward the BG while engaging and using his non-firing hand to usher people dafuq out. For the last 15 years I haven't practiced defensive handgun shooting in any way other than while moving except for a few drills at training classes. The training classes stressed mastering shooting in motion unless using solid cover so just standing there in one spot driving shots at a target wasn't something they spent much time on. In my opinion, if I'm not able to keep the X in motion while making reliable center mass hits then I'm training to have a duel, not a gunfight. If you want to train with some drill, train with it. Train with all the drills you can google up. If you only train one way then you're rehearsing, not training. In any event, as far as I can tell, the Dicken drill is pretty much gunnie larping + mental masturbation meant to make people feel better about themselves while others pat them on the back for pretending to be as badass as Mr. Dicken apparently is. It is kinda neat though that we've got just unbelievable performances by 2 defensive shooters who are (apparently) essentially untrained. Mr. Rittenhouse, who's performance was nothing less than stunning given the dynamic situation & close range & the trigger control he executed. Mr. Dicken who seems to have dove into action with zero hesitation or fucks given and also seems to have not only behaved as a heroic keeper of his fellow man but also as a truly competent pistol driver in a dynamic long range situation where he displayed obviously fantastic scene control, communications, trigger control and sight picture. Lol i read sn as ball tickler |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:14:19 PM EDT
[#4]
Some douchenozzle here told me that training with my carry gun is just LARPing.
Guess I should stop carrying since I don’t want to be a poseur in the eyes of this wise soul. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:14:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I punched it up a bit. But the results in this thread speak for themselves. Am I wrong? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The thread title doesn't match the article. I punched it up a bit. But the results in this thread speak for themselves. Am I wrong? Sensationalism in headers is always wrong as it's fake news cringe to it. It also enables dupes, because others sensationalize too and some actually use the correct headers. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:14:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, the Fudds OP was talking about are here  Holy Shit Nailed it |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:15:18 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some douchenozzle here told me that training with my carry gun is just LARPing. Guess I should stop carrying since I don't want to be a poseur in the eyes of this wise soul. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:16:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back to sleep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? Golden opportunity to educate but you chose to scoff at him instead. This is why we are losing the 2A long game. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:17:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? The Charles Dickens drill. Using 3 different ghost guns shoot the Christmas goose as many times as you can before the clock strikes one. Extra points for shooting one handed while holing a crutch. Glorious. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sensationalism in headers is always wrong as it's fake news cringe to it. It also enables dupes, because others sensationalize too and some actually use the correct headers. Firstly, it's not fake news, I included the portion of the article that was Fuddy. The amount of Fudd replies bear this out. Second, this is about the post count. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:18:34 PM EDT
[#11]
Dickens ok’ed law enforcement to release his name.
I’m sure he’s fine with the drill. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:26:45 PM EDT
[#12]
With my model 29 I know I can get six on target.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:27:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. They sow hate on a lot. I carry a Glock. But to them it's not the rIgHt gLoCk. I don't use red dots on carry guns. Eli did it with irons. But both not rIgHt gLoCk and irons will still get shitted on. We are losing and will continue to lose with the hate people have here for things that isn't according to their narrow minds. We as a community need to make a choice. Do we want uniformed my way or the highway, same model, same sighting preferences, same caliber gun, or do we want to an undivided community playing the long game for our rights while encouraging us to get out and shoot/train more? We cannot do both. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. That’s about 85% of this place. The median age here has to be around 55-60 ish years old. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ah, the Fudds OP was talking about are here Lol. That’s about 85% of this place. The median age here has to be around 55-60 ish years old. Fudd is a mindset, not an age. I'm in my 50s. I hate Fudd mindset. I think carrying a revolver for personal defense or combat in this age is pants-on-head stupid. I have and love my revolvers but they are not the best modern fighting weapons. Haven't been for 100 years. People who say a revolver is "just as good" are forcing it with convoluted justifications. Just stop. IC is better than steam, cars are better than horses, and auto-loaders are better than revolvers unless you need a hunting cartridge with more energy than 10mm. That said I'd rather have a competent well practiced revolver expert by my side than someone with the best modern gear who can't use it effectively. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:28:56 PM EDT
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I did it with a Buckmark and a red dot, weaver stanced, at a torso sized steel 50 yards out last week. I was ringing 7 or 8 out of 10 regularly, but it was impossible to tell where, exactly, the rounds were landing. Most of my misses were high(ish) and right (dirt bank immediately behind the target), so I guess at least most of the on-targets would be good hits.
22 lr is pretty easy. Today I'm going back with a 9mm P229 compact and irons to see if how close to that I can come. From what I've read, he may have braced off a pillar to take the first 40 yard shots. I'm betting braced I can kill it...it's a long target vertically, you just have to stay on azimuth. Our overhead shelter at the range has forward braces, but they're just beyond the firing line...not sure if the RSOs will let me use one unless the range is empty, which would be odd for a Friday. One of the RSOs sat down on a rifle table after I told him what I was doing, and started slow fire with a full sized 45 at the same set of steels. He did really well with irons, and he was older than I am...and I'm in my sixth decade. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:29:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 rounds at 40 yards in 15 seconds. You know, the 22 year old that stopped a mass shooter from across the food court with a concealed carry gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? 10 rounds at 40 yards in 15 seconds. You know, the 22 year old that stopped a mass shooter from across the food court with a concealed carry gun. That’s not difficult on a range, shit, I can do that easy. 150 yards with my g40 is pretty easy too. I shoot at weird distances with handguns, point blank out to 200 yards, with iron sights. I’m also pretty sure the distance the guy shot the bad guy at was probably less, but he’ll, could be 40 yards, as like I said, 40 yards is not far on a torso sized target. Under stress little more difficult.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:31:10 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryPoint shoot No one looks at their sights in a self defense shooting All self defense shootings are 3-5 yards max Pocket draw is just as fast |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:34:30 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s because old folks actually have money to buy guns. We didn’t spend it all on avocado toast and video games. We believed in firm handshakes, hair on a pussy, and pistol malfunctions.  So if that were to be even remotely close to being true, then that includes the 1st generation of Glocks then, do the math when the first Glocks reached our shores for civilian sales and what age those old folk were at the time 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:35:44 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We going for a Fudd trigger hat trick? You don't know what a fudd is, and it shows. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:36:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So does anyone know what type/model/caliber pistol he made his fame with? That kind of shooting would be impossible I think with a small .380 pocket pistol. Probably impossible for me overall with his results at that distance. G19 with a weapon light and stock iron sights. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:37:48 PM EDT
[#21]
People don't like having their pocket carry, two shots at "breathing distance" is all I need, comfort zone disrupted.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:38:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryIsn't that the dude who tried to build his rep by shitting on Paul Harrell? New tacti-beard a disguise?  |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:38:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Firstly, it's not fake news, I included the portion of the article that was Fuddy. The amount of Fudd replies bear this out. Second, this is about the post count. You don't know what a fudd is, please stop using it out of context. And second, you sensationalized, meaning your explanation still doesn't count. And post count is lame. Ask for all of mine, you can have it as it's meaningless to me. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:39:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't know what a fudd is, and it shows. Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't know what a fudd is, and it shows. Quoted: You don't know what a fudd is, please stop using it out of context. And second, you sensationalized, meaning your explanation still doesn't count. And post count is lame. Ask for all of mine, you can have it as it's meaningless to me. Enlighten us with your wisdom, then. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:41:19 PM EDT
[#25]
I hope the guy does an interview, and it goes something like this:
Reported: "What was going through your mind as you were about to shoot the bad guy?" Dicken: "Slack out, sight picture, 1lb 2lb 3lb......" |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:47:54 PM EDT
[#26]
But…. But… but…
YOU WON’T SEE YOUR SIGHTS IN A GUNFIGHT BAD BREATH DISTANCE POINT SHOOTING IF YOU NEED TO USE SIGHTS YOU CAN’T SHOOT 99.9999% OF GUNFIGHTS HAPPEN AT 3 YARDS OR LESS YOU’LL GO TO JAIL IF YOU HAVE TO SHOOT SOMEONE PAST 21 FEET YOU SHOULD USE A RIFLE AT THAT DISTANCE. ::flails arms:: ::makes armpit fart noises:: |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:47:57 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully in just a couple of years the fudds will have gone the way of the dodo Then the real retardation will start. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:48:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Enlighten us with your wisdom, then. First, it's not someone of a certain age. It's a mindset, meaning it's timeless because a fudd is a gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles. A revolver is also a handgun. This cannot be taken away or re-termed. The revolver while obsolete for modern police and modern militaries, is just obsolescent because it has been surpassed in handgun technology. But still, owning and carrying one doesn't make them a fudd, fudds the real ones want revolvers taken away too. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:52:29 PM EDT
[#29]
Won't need 8 or 8+1 shots with a proper gov't 5 inch 1911, 1-2 tops.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:52:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do the UPS drill. You empty every magazine near you into a huge target without caring what you strike. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/666/439/088.jpg Fuck yeah… |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:53:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we define “fudd”? 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:55:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But…. But… but… YOU WON’T SEE YOUR SIGHTS IN A GUNFIGHT BAD BREATH DISTANCE POINT SHOOTING IF YOU NEED TO USE SIGHTS YOU CAN’T SHOOT 99.9999% OF GUNFIGHTS HAPPEN AT 3 YARDS OR LESS YOU’LL GO TO JAIL IF YOU HAVE TO SHOOT SOMEONE PAST 21 FEET YOU SHOULD USE A RIFLE AT THAT DISTANCE. ::flails arms:: ::makes armpit fart noises:: You can't point shoot at 40 yards.....your funeral
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:56:13 PM EDT
[#33]
It took me 30 seconds to make all 10 shots hit, my accuracy at 10 rounds at 12 seconds was eye opening
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:59:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If (and likely when) somebody gets a confirmed self defense kill at say 100 yards+ with a pistol, are people going to create the "100 yard dash drill" and proclaim its necessity? I think you train for what you are able to effectively do. Most of these people doing "drills" on youtube knows "Dicken" is currently "IN" and gets clicks and views (see MONEY) *Cryptobro who understands how fads work in relation to making money off of them* Already happened. Old dude with .357 Mag pistol shot a shitbag trying to kill a cop. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:04:02 PM EDT
[#35]
for Pete's sake. Get a fricken Ivan target, measure off 40yards, shoot the piss out of it. There, you're qualified on the "Dicken Drill"
 Minute of Man all day long or go home. I guess I'm qualified to teach a 3 day "Dicken" course now, gimme my $3k dammit. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:09:24 PM EDT
[#36]
The Fudds can go ingest a backpack of Dickens!
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:11:55 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gets on the internet, asked a question easily answered by the internet..... But mah post count bro. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:11:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Something like 10 shots at 40yrds in 15 seconds against a man size silhouette, gotta make 8 of the shots hits. However, as far as I can tell that's just not how things happened. From what I gather (and this could be completely wrong because I don't watch the news and I don't really care very much) he was walking toward the BG while engaging and using his non-firing hand to usher people dafuq out. For the last 15 years I haven't practiced defensive handgun shooting in any way other than while moving except for a few drills at training classes. The training classes stressed mastering shooting in motion unless using solid cover so just standing there in one spot driving shots at a target wasn't something they spent much time on. In my opinion, if I'm not able to keep the X in motion while making reliable center mass hits then I'm training to have a duel, not a gunfight. If you want to train with some drill, train with it. Train with all the drills you can google up. If you only train one way then you're rehearsing, not training. In any event, as far as I can tell, the Dicken drill is pretty much gunnie larping + mental masturbation meant to make people feel better about themselves while others pat them on the back for pretending to be as badass as Mr. Dicken apparently is. It is kinda neat though that we've got just unbelievable performances by 2 defensive shooters who are (apparently) essentially untrained. Mr. Rittenhouse, who's performance was nothing less than stunning given the dynamic situation & close range & the trigger control he executed. Mr. Dicken who seems to have dove into action with zero hesitation or fucks given and also seems to have not only behaved as a heroic keeper of his fellow man but also as a truly competent pistol driver in a dynamic long range situation where he displayed obviously fantastic scene control, communications, trigger control and sight picture. You forgot the 15yd head shot in the church defensive shooting. https://fwtx.com/news/remembering-the-west-freeway-church-of-christ-shooting/  Deadly shooting at Texas church |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:12:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:15:03 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Already happened. Old dude with .357 Mag pistol shot a shitbag trying to kill a cop. Anyone have a link to this event? I lost the details years ago. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:16:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some douchenozzle here told me that training with my carry gun is just LARPing. Guess I should stop carrying since I don’t want to be a poseur in the eyes of this wise soul. The 'muh profussunial!' crowd has had a rough patch lately. Kitted out SWAT team lets whole classrooms bleed to death. Regular Joe with a carry permit smokes active shooter in mere seconds. Lots of narratives busted. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:19:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The thread title doesn't match the article. He's talking about the comments under the article. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:22:05 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They sow hate on a lot. I carry a Glock. But to them it's not the rIgHt gLoCk. I don't use red dots on carry guns. Eli did it with irons. But both not rIgHt gLoCk and irons will still get shitted on. We are losing and will continue to lose with the hate people have here for things that isn't according to their narrow minds. We as a community need to make a choice. Do we want uniformed my way or the highway, same model, same sighting preferences, same caliber gun, or do we want to an undivided community playing the long game for our rights while encouraging us to get out and shoot/train more? We cannot do both. I see this attitude much more from the muh Jframe crowd. I don't care what people carry. But I will state my opinion that revolvers are antiquated for carry without feeling bad about it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:23:05 PM EDT
[#44]
People on arfcom don't practice shooting anyway.
Now Hoosiers are a different story. They can kill a skinny shooter quicker than a cat can lick its ass. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:25:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If (and likely when) somebody gets a confirmed self defense kill at say 100 yards+ with a pistol, are people going to create the "100 yard dash drill" and proclaim its necessity? I think you train for what you are able to effectively do. Most of these people doing "drills" on youtube knows "Dicken" is currently "IN" and gets clicks and views (see MONEY) *Cryptobro who understands how fads work in relation to making money off of them* One handed, https://medium.com/war-is-boring/cops-deadeye-aim-took-down-austin-gunman-at-100-yards-its-true-849b68c60583 Best step up your game if you want to keep up. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:26:37 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean enlighten you? Because it is YOU and not "us" right now. This is not the time be be divisive as we are on the same team here. First, it's not someone of a certain age. It's a mindset, meaning it's timeless because a fudd is a gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles. A revolver is also a handgun. This cannot be taken away or re-termed. The revolver while obsolete for modern police and modern militaries, is just obsolescent because it has been surpassed in handgun technology. But still, owning and carrying one doesn't make them a fudd, fudds the real ones want revolvers taken away too. The article and I clearly posted the 333 mindset. The Dicken is well outside that. And while yes revolvers are merely tools they are largely favored by the people of the Fudd mindset (that and the 1911). The Dicken drill requires speed. Which goes against the Fudd one round per second mentality. Preferred Fudd guns would require even more speed since a reload is required. Again, goes against Fudd mentality. So, no I clearly understand what a Fudd is, you were just triggered. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:34:38 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have a link to this event? I lost the details years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Already happened. Old dude with .357 Mag pistol shot a shitbag trying to kill a cop. Anyone have a link to this event? I lost the details years ago. Shoulda searched for "trailer park" https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/citizen-shoots-trailer-park-gunman-saves-texas-officer-STLy7HQgxkb4h2um/ |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:37:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get my news here and the twitter. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:44:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Drills are important to build and test fundamentals but I've found that the real test of your actual on-demand performance is your 1st stage of the day.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:47:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drills are important to build and test fundamentals but I've found that the real test of your actual on-demand performance is your 1st stage of the day. I agree. Cold start, more adrenaline than you want. |
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