These drills are a scam to sell books.
When I was a young man some guy claimed he could shoot all the way across Mozambique or some such nonsense.

People who only shoot their rifles out to 200 yards think 800 yards is "long range." People who shoot their rifles out to 1,500 yards know 800 is not long range.

The Dicken Drill is just another drill in the tool box.  And if you think negatively about it, you're probably fucking stupid.

God damn bro should of atleast held out for 2nd post rather than jump right in and prove the ops point

Do you have any proof to this, a source?

I keep seeing all sorts of reports.

Hellcat with a Dot, G19 with a Light.


Does anyone *actually* know what he used?

Same....I've seem multiple versions posted here but never seen anything posted to confirm it.

Attached File

I have no clue what a 333 is supposed to mean, google shows a bunch of gibberish. Revolvers are not a fudd mindset, you are adding to it something that cannot be added to. Same for the 1911, you are making parameters to suit your agenda here that have zero to do with being a fudd. And you are letting what someone else says live in your head rent free. You really shouldn't, because there's not even a fudd mindset on how many rounds a second, that is just you making it up as you go along due to a confirmation bias. There are no handguns that fudds prefer, they want that taken away from us too so you have no argument there either. Still no fudd mentality with what you are describing. So yes, you still clearly have no idea what a fudd is or isn't and you got yourself triggered by opinions that you do not share and wanted to lash out.

Don't let what they say control you, or they will win and that's what they want want. revolver users and 1911 users are part of the defend the 2nd community, stop being divisive and let them be them and stay worrying only about your lane. That's the only thing that you get to control here, you and you alone.

It’s only a real Fudd if it comes from the Fudd region of France.

An ignoramus should be mocked.  People are too lazy to look up easily located information.

Otherwise it's just sparkling bullshit.

Im still holding out for HiPoint with holosun.

800 yards is extremely long range on a 2MOA red dot with zero magnification

That's an excuse to be just as lazy, we're still eating our own instead of educating.

We are losing, the mocking isn't working. Time to unite and be helpful. Or lose. Pick one.

Is 40 yards with iron sights long range?

Stop being obtuse.

That’s not it.
2 shots from concealment at 40 yrds
Subsequent 8 shots while approaching target
Timed at 15 seconds.

If the weather doesn't shit on us this Sunday, me and my shooting partner will try that. He's got a timer too.

Yep

Fudds hate fire rate faster than one shot every 2 seconds.

That's iron sights, on a rifle, range.

I think Eli is a hero, I think people doing these longer-distance timed drills is great and we should all incorporate challenges such as this into our training.

But…

Am I the only person who noticed the LE presser said it took him 15 seconds to engage the threat, and take that to mean 15 seconds from start of attack to start of response? I don’t think it necessarily means his 10 shots were all fired in 15 seconds.

It doesn’t really matter, but the whole Dicken Drill thing might be based on bad assumptions.

I believe he started at 40 yards and advanced towards the threat, while firing.

Taurus 24/7 with second strike

seems all the dudes in this thread that own/shoot/carry revolvers are game to give the drill a try or have tried it.

Afraid you're operating on bad intel.

I've already shot the drill.

800 yards with a rifle (unaided) is nothing like 40 yards with a pistol. Most folks would consider 400 yards with a rifle to be a significant distance unaided. I believe the maximum point range for a carbine is right around that distance, as well.

It'd be more like 250-300 yards with a pistol. Minimum. Both will have 10+ feet of drop at that respective point.

yeah, he seems, fun at parties  

But  he did pull off the drill with a revolver and a reload.  I am sure more people will

I think it’s been noted he turned and ran for the bathroom when he was taking rounds but was incapacitated before he made it.

The movie Scrooged has a scene faithfully recreating the famed Dickens drill.

A gun owner who is a traitor to the 2a.

See also: Zumbo

Quisling

Every few months a long-time member works up the courage to be himself, share his thoughts and completely step on his dick in GD. We should celebrate when they’re proven so wrong, every time.

The Dicken Drill is great, and I am not denigrating Eli at all. To be honest, he did better than most any person on the planet would/could do. The only way someone could have done it "better" would be by landing the other two shots.

The only thing I have questioned since the story came out was the distance...as soon as I heard it, I simply wondered if the "reporter" got their yards/feet mixed up.  Obviously, the shots are not impossible, but having quite a bit of experience behind a pistol, having been in some shitty situations myself involving guns, and knowing the effect of that adrenaline on fine motor skills, I could not help but wonder.

While I was pondering the scenario, I then considered if the distance was valid, and created a net benefit situation for Eli.  It could have been that distance that allowed Eli to get to work, quasi-surreptitiously.  Maybe he had some cover/obstacles between him and the bitch, which could have precluded the bitch from seeing him.  Because the bitch could not see the threat (Eli), he was static long enough for Eli to land 8/10.

I patiently await the formal investigation's results.

If, in fact, the scenario unfolded at 40 yards, this young man is an absolute fucking monster behind a pistol.  Those of us shooting the drill on our square ranges can NEVER come close to mimicking our bodies' physiological responses to Eli's. He would have been at such a deficit that the comparisons could not even come close to being fair. Not only would he have made 8/10 shots at a decent distance, he would have done it with diminished fine motor skills, which are usually critical when shooting pistols at extended ranges.

If I am coming across as having analyzed this even too much, not to worry.  What I have typed here is a very brief consideration of all of my thoughts on it (with having access to very limited information as far as details are concerned).  Anyhow, debriefing extremely chaotic/dynamic/violent events is a significant portion of my career.

Regardless of the details, I want to make sure to impress upon anyone reading this that Eli Dicken is an absolute juggernaut behind a pistol.  Eli is the guy we should all be training to fight against.

I do not. Last time it was brought up, someone posted the video of the old guy talking about it.


It was posted above 150 FT,  not yards.


ETA: we did have an officer holding 2 horses drop someone at 100 with a .40 and another do something similar in NY (shooting a fleeing convict).

Another pistol marksmanship thread containing no B6 or B8 targets. Tiresome.

Give the guy a break, he has been off-planet for a year or so and just needs some time to catch up.

I've heard people say "it was 40 feet, not 40 yards" and multiple different timelines, it will probably take a while to get the facts of the thing down.
Regardless, it's a useful test of skills and gear. You are unlikely to need to shoot outside the 3-3-3 envelope for self defense, but defense of others, that is more plausible, and may you need to be very precise when you do it so you don't end up hitting the person you're trying to help. If your skills or gun aren't up to the task, you can work on that - and meanwhile you will know not to take a shot that far out (if there's risk of hitting friendlies). Know your limitations, and you'll only know them by testing.

I'm just saying fast shooting goes against Fudd mentality

It is a phenomena you see in a lot of places: some people are deeply personally offended by skill. Whether that be skill demonstrated by someone else, or the suggestion that they could be better than they are.

ok

But this drill is more about slower, well aimed fire

It is a PEAK Fudd drill.  Hell, 8 hits is a 45 1911 loaded with a 7 round mag.  I'm sure RDS equipped guns carry an advantage- but as we've seen, this is well within the scope of possible from a snub nosed revolver or iron sighted guns.

It looks like a fun drill to try out, but it won't be in my regular training rotation.

I agree with that,  

I'd consider it more of a shooting test or standard than a "drill" anyways.

i.e.  Can you pull off an Eli with your carry gun?

That ain't what being old is about. How do you not know this you live in Florida for fucks sake!

You are embarrassingly out of touch.

Definitely a fun test of your distance/accuracy/speed skills.

Sounds like a lot of the posters here would only be able to do the Uvalde Police drill.  Stand around for hours and do nothing.

Fudd, Elmer, 1 each, white in color, big hat, likes opera, hates rabbits, weapon of choice is a double barrel semi-auto shotgun with unlimited ammo.

I'm really good at that drill

1995 was the year I got my first CCW in VA, when it went "shall-issue".   Before that it was all about whether you knew the Sheriff or not.

Could I sit instead?