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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:39:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Iron sights, 5 shot revolver, thru sweatshirt pocket, at 3 feet. This is the way.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:39:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ok But this drill is more about slower, well aimed fire It is a PEAK Fudd drill. Hell, 8 hits is a 45 1911 loaded with a 7 round mag. I'm sure RDS equipped guns carry an advantage- but as we've seen, this is well within the scope of possible from a snub nosed revolver or iron sighted guns. Ok, so I went to the crapper to watch the videos you posted. First guy failed the drill. Second guy passed it. IMHO you try that rate or fire at a fudd range you're getting a talking to. Just my opinion. Which is why I say Fudds would hate it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:42:46 PM EDT
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If anyone is that bothered by people trying to push themselves at the range to do something, they can just fuck right off.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:43:43 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever even fired a revolver? I have and I have several as I love the way a revolver looks. Unfortunately, the safest place to be is directly in front of me when I'm shooting one. I am honestly minute of barn with the damn things and I don't know why. A semi-auto pistol and I'm pretty good, as in all 8 rounds from my 1911 inside the 8 ring at 25 yards. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:45:26 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The "Dicken Drill" makes me cringe. the poor guy probably hates all this attention and masterbating but isn't allowed to speak yet about it. he also didn't shoot all his rounds from the god tier 40 yards away range. he did a damn fine job stopping that threat, and has my respect. I can appreciate people motivated to train some more because of this, but still..... Who gives a shit whether he shot them all at 40 yards or walked them in? It's a great speed/accuracy metric. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:46:14 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you two read ANY news? In the time it took to post they could have Googled. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:49:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no clue what a 333 is supposed to mean, google shows a bunch of gibberish. Revolvers are not a fudd mindset, you are adding to it something that cannot be added to. Same for the 1911, you are making parameters to suit your agenda here that have zero to do with being a fudd. And you are letting what someone else says live in your head rent free. You really shouldn't, because there's not even a fudd mindset on how many rounds a second, that is just you making it up as you go along due to a confirmation bias. There are no handguns that fudds prefer, they want that taken away from us too so you have no argument there either. Still no fudd mentality with what you are describing. So yes, you still clearly have no idea what a fudd is or isn't and you got yourself triggered by opinions that you do not share and wanted to lash out. Don't let what they say control you, or they will win and that's what they want want. revolver users and 1911 users are part of the defend the 2nd community, stop being divisive and let them be them and stay worrying only about your lane. That's the only thing that you get to control here, you and you alone. Didn't you get your peepee smacked the last time we did this? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, so I went to the crapper to watch the videos you posted. First guy failed the drill. Second guy passed it. IMHO you try that rate or fire at a fudd range you're getting a talking to. Just my opinion. Which is why I say Fudds would hate it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ok But this drill is more about slower, well aimed fire It is a PEAK Fudd drill. Hell, 8 hits is a 45 1911 loaded with a 7 round mag. I'm sure RDS equipped guns carry an advantage- but as we've seen, this is well within the scope of possible from a snub nosed revolver or iron sighted guns. Ok, so I went to the crapper to watch the videos you posted. First guy failed the drill. Second guy passed it. IMHO you try that rate or fire at a fudd range you're getting a talking to. Just my opinion. Which is why I say Fudds would hate it. If that's the metric, what pistol drill do Fudds not hate? this might the the ONLY drill I know of where 1 round per second is too fast |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:53:05 PM EDT
[#9]
Hey, at least people are out practicing.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:54:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the metric, what pistol drill do Fudds not hate? this might the the ONLY drill I know of where 1 round per second is too fast That's why it's funny. Fudds are awful. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 4:56:46 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why it's funny. Fudds are awful. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If that's the metric, what pistol drill do Fudds not hate? this might the the ONLY drill I know of where 1 round per second is too fast That's why it's funny. Fudds are awful. yeah Fudds are awful |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 5:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could I sit instead? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like a lot of the posters here would only be able to do the Uvalde Police drill. Stand around for hours and do nothing. Could I sit instead? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 5:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the weather doesn't shit on us this Sunday, me and my shooting partner will try that. He's got a timer too. While I agree that hitting a target at 40 yrds is commendable, advancing while shooting adds a whole level of complexity. I need to start this as well. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 5:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are embarrassingly out of touch. You are embarrassingly out of touch yourself by saying that. Give it a rest already, we stand alone together or apart because of pettiness. Pick one, |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 5:32:06 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryThat doesn't prove anything over what I had said, not sorry. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 5:48:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. No one is taking a shit on those who carry revolvers, except those who carry revolvers. Hammer and nails are just as good as nail guns crowd. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 5:51:43 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding this shooting, did the shooter ever return the good guy’s fire? Hard to return fire while you're getting burned down to the ground. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 6:03:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are embarrassingly out of touch yourself by saying that. Give it a rest already, we stand alone together or apart because of pettiness. Pick one, Your comments about unity and helping others are embarrassingly ironic. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 6:13:26 PM EDT
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Fudd is a state of mind, not an age. Though the two might intersect more often than not, I'm an older fart and I'm absolutely anti-Fudd, they piss me off, most especially when they write into Guns & Ammo or Nat'l Rifleman and bitch about the scary black guns being covered too much.
In so many words: the 2A isn't about hunting, Elmer. Regards the drill, there is one video that stands out above the rest for me, because it focuses not really on the drill itself, but on the wisdom of potentially trying to duplicate Eli's actions in the real world. It takes about 20 minutes to get to the wisdom part, but there's a good reason for the lead-in shooting demo. Paul Harrell doing what he does best, IOW: teaching in a broader scope of mindfulness.  Mass Shootings Part 4: Greenwood Park Mall Analysis |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 6:39:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the metric, what pistol drill do Fudds not hate? this might the the ONLY drill I know of where 1 round per second is too fast The first time I shot it, and was all over the target, but I had 13 hits, and 13 rounds fired in just over 13 seconds. The second time I shot it in 15:11 with 9 hits, 8 of which were solid A zone hits. All after a 40 yard sprint. I'm a trash tier shooter. You have to be better than me in order to not fuck this up - and I'm better than nearly every Fudd I've ever encountered; because I actually shoot my shit instead of jerking myself off over "common sense gun knowledge" at my local crotchety gun shop. If they shoot this at 1 round per second, they won't have time for their reload, assuming the 2.5 seconds it takes them to get their 1911 out of a Blackhawk Serpa. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:11:57 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your comments about unity and helping others are embarrassingly ironic. The dude is a trip, though. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:21:54 PM EDT
[#22]
If you can't find the sucker at a poker table, you are the sucker.
If you can't find the fudd in the thread, you are the fudd. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:24:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:35:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Fudds hate me, because Glock.
Youngsters hate me, because .40. I shot IHMSA, so I have a good idea about handguns beyond 15 feet. This drill is useful to get people to see that, yes, you can and should be able to hit a milk jug with your carry gun beyond 30 feet. How accurate it is to the supposed situation is not the point. Close range is the most likely self defense scenario, but other things can happen. Like defense of others. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:42:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. Quoted: In any event, as far as I can tell, the Dicken drill is pretty much gunnie larping + mental masturbation meant to make people feel better about themselves while others pat them on the back for pretending to be as badass as Mr. Dicken apparently is. Omg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:43:30 PM EDT
[#26]
I find it strange that 40 yard hits with a handgun is a big deal.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 7:44:40 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If anyone is that bothered by people trying to push themselves at the range to do something, they can just fuck right off. This is where i'm at... watching people on a gun forum disparage others from actually shooting to better themselves is a DU level limp dick look for them. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:59:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fudd is a state of mind, not an age. Though the two might intersect more often than not, I'm an older fart and I'm absolutely anti-Fudd, they piss me off, most especially when they write into Guns & Ammo or Nat'l Rifleman and bitch about the scary black guns being covered too much. In so many words: the 2A isn't about hunting, Elmer. Regards the drill, there is one video that stands out above the rest for me, because it focuses not really on the drill itself, but on the wisdom of potentially trying to duplicate Eli's actions in the real world. It takes about 20 minutes to get to the wisdom part, but there's a good reason for the lead-in shooting demo. Paul Harrell doing what he does best, IOW: teaching in a broader scope of mindfulness.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbaiejoAjccI don’t get the popularity of this guy. Maybe it’s an age thing. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:13:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The article and I clearly posted the 333 mindset. The Dicken is well outside that. And while yes revolvers are merely tools they are largely favored by the people of the Fudd mindset (that and the 1911). The Dicken drill requires speed. Which goes against the Fudd one round per second mentality. Preferred Fudd guns would require even more speed since a reload is required. Again, goes against Fudd mentality. So, no I clearly understand what a Fudd is, you were just triggered. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You mean enlighten you? Because it is YOU and not "us" right now. This is not the time be be divisive as we are on the same team here. First, it's not someone of a certain age. It's a mindset, meaning it's timeless because a fudd is a gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles. A revolver is also a handgun. This cannot be taken away or re-termed. The revolver while obsolete for modern police and modern militaries, is just obsolescent because it has been surpassed in handgun technology. But still, owning and carrying one doesn't make them a fudd, fudds the real ones want revolvers taken away too. The article and I clearly posted the 333 mindset. The Dicken is well outside that. And while yes revolvers are merely tools they are largely favored by the people of the Fudd mindset (that and the 1911). The Dicken drill requires speed. Which goes against the Fudd one round per second mentality. Preferred Fudd guns would require even more speed since a reload is required. Again, goes against Fudd mentality. So, no I clearly understand what a Fudd is, you were just triggered. Like I said, I still haven't done this with a revolver but I'll see if I can fit it in this week. Here's it with a fudd 1911. I say I dropped 2 rounds but this is a reduced sized silhouette. All rounds would be inside the C zone  Failed To Load Title A few fudd drills  Bill drill with M19-3 shooting .357 magnum.  .357 mag double |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:28:55 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:41:56 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aka the Food Court Forty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? It's been well explained at this point. This is apparently a Fudd and revolver hate thread now. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:14:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said, I still haven't done this with a revolver but I'll see if I can fit it in this week. Here's it with a fudd 1911. I say I dropped 2 rounds but this is a reduced sized silhouette. All rounds would be inside the C zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2cXRM-PX0A few fudd drills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRt19UhWBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzjRv58G-ISweet. Since you didn't yell TWO WORLD WARS, I don't think it counts as a Fudd 1911. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:19:56 AM EDT
[#33]
I think the thing to keep in mind is not the eight hits/ten total.
What he did most right is get the first two hits. From reports, the first two were mortal wounds; the rest he was gilding the lily. Glad he did, I wanted that POS shoot to pieces so that they would need dental records to identify him. Getting that first shot hit kept the POS from being able to turn the rifle on Eli. If he got 8/10 at that range with the first two as misses; it may not have come out the same. First shot hits are the most important thing to work on. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:35:20 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it strange that 40 yard hits with a handgun is a big deal. How is that so? 99% of pistol shooters never go past 15 yds. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:44:20 AM EDT
[#35]
Tried a bit of lapping last week just to see if I could hit at 50 yards with my comedy barrelled .357 for shits and giggles obviously in never something I will have to do for real so in my case it was just larping.
I learned Shoot better double action than single action ( think because I was using right thumb) and better with a revolver than with a shotgun with slugs  Attached FileNot the Dicken drill only have revolver and my speed loader doesn’t fit 24 rounds , 12 double action fast as I thought I could 6 single action fast as I thought and 6 DA kneeling supported on table. And 5 slugs unsupported through 1301 that we will not talk about   Attached File |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:44:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is 40 yards with iron sights long range? Stop being obtuse. 
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:47:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that so? 99% of pistol shooters never go past 15 yds. 15? More like seven or less. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:52:08 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard something about that shooting. Didn't know his name or exact circumstances really. 40 yards pistol shooting sounds like deer hunting. Some of us have been practicing at those ranges for years and were laughed at. "The majority of engagements happen at under 7 yards." Many guns don't hold 10 rounds, so there's that. Sound like a worthy training scenario. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10 rounds at 40 yards in 15 seconds. You know, the 22 year old that stopped a mass shooter from across the food court with a concealed carry gun. I heard something about that shooting. Didn't know his name or exact circumstances really. 40 yards pistol shooting sounds like deer hunting. Some of us have been practicing at those ranges for years and were laughed at. "The majority of engagements happen at under 7 yards." Many guns don't hold 10 rounds, so there's that. Sound like a worthy training scenario. The fudds wil have to really practice reloading their Detective Specials and J-frames by hand to get below 10 seconds, or accept speedloaders as a necessary evil. Kharn |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:53:53 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 15? More like seven or less. Probably. Whatever the case, it shouldn’t be a shock that most people who shoot, and know what 40 yds looks like beyond a pistol sight, find consistent 40 yd hits quite remarkable. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:59:53 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about what the fuck is a Dickens drill and why should I care? You recite "Oliver Twist" while loading and firing 10 shots out of a Martini-Henry at an orphan 40yds away. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:02:38 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it strange that 40 yard hits with a handgun is a big deal.  "Rambo, First Blood: Part II" - The Explosive Arrow Scene |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:35:41 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The "Dicken Drill" makes me cringe. the poor guy probably hates all this attention and masterbating but isn't allowed to speak yet about it. he also didn't shoot all his rounds from the god tier 40 yards away range. he did a damn fine job stopping that threat, and has my respect. I can appreciate people motivated to train some more because of this, but still..... this incident, along with many others show that One does not need to be military or police to be good, or good enough when it counts with guns. One of the huge anti-gunners talking points. Same with Rittenhouse and many others. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:41:28 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not it. 2 shots from concealment at 40 yrds Subsequent 8 shots while approaching target Timed at 15 seconds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10 rounds at 40 yards in 15 seconds. You know, the 22 year old that stopped a mass shooter from across the food court with a concealed carry gun. That’s not it. 2 shots from concealment at 40 yrds Subsequent 8 shots while approaching target Timed at 15 seconds. We don't know that for sure. He might have initially shot from 40 yards, and then ran up to 10 yards to eliminate the threat. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:44:04 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. well much of this is reaction to fudds saying shit. I try to enlighten them. Most will if carrying a revolver not seem to keep a reload on them. I have seen a bunch that own rifles and handguns mainly revolvers, be ok with bans. Some say they use them for hunting only, and are ok with the ban etc. I see it much much more than, people knocking on revolvers other than its a poor choice due to round count and controllability in the little guns when its a magnum. a lot won't practice with them much either. but some exceptions exist and like micculek it can be very effective with a decent amount of effort. better than a sharp stick. a lot of fudds won't even try a AR-15 or AK pattern. I met some. I offered to let them try, and get the old man sigh |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:44:30 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Eli is a hero, I think people doing these longer-distance timed drills is great and we should all incorporate challenges such as this into our training. But… Am I the only person who noticed the LE presser said it took him 15 seconds to engage the threat, and take that to mean 15 seconds from start of attack to start of response? I don’t think it necessarily means his 10 shots were all fired in 15 seconds. It doesn’t really matter, but the whole Dicken Drill thing might be based on bad assumptions. You are correct. His initial shots ended the active shooter being an active shooter. We don't know how long it took Eli to fire all his shots. That being said.... 8 of 10 at 40 yards in 15 seconds from concealment with your carry gun is a pretty decent drill. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:46:44 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The "Dicken Drill" makes me cringe. the poor guy probably hates all this attention and masterbating but isn't allowed to speak yet about it. he also didn't shoot all his rounds from the god tier 40 yards away range. he did a damn fine job stopping that threat, and has my respect. I can appreciate people motivated to train some more because of this, but still..... Paul Harrel did a good video and he was courteous enough to not name it that out of respect for the guy. Mass Shootings Part 4: Greenwood Park Mall Analysis |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:47:59 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard people say "it was 40 feet, not 40 yards" and multiple different timelines, it will probably take a while to get the facts of the thing down. Regardless, it's a useful test of skills and gear. You are unlikely to need to shoot outside the 3-3-3 envelope for self defense, but defense of others, that is more plausible, and may you need to be very precise when you do it so you don't end up hitting the person you're trying to help. If your skills or gun aren't up to the task, you can work on that - and meanwhile you will know not to take a shot that far out (if there's risk of hitting friendlies). Know your limitations, and you'll only know them by testing. Eli's attorney is active on the Indianapolis talk radio station 93.1, and has confirmed that the initial shots were taken at 40 yards. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:56:57 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to bulls eye womp-mice in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 2". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try shooting one handed at 50 meters with a 2” target. I used to bulls eye womp-mice in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 2". At this speed will you be able to pull out in time? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 9:23:07 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I've never seen so much revolver hate from the small wiener community. We need more people to carry, more people to support the 2nd amendment, more people out there ready to shoot back. And the community keep taking a giant shit on anyone who carries a revolver. Have you ever even fired a revolver? Keep going. Keep sowing hate in the community and then wonder why high cap bans and shit get enacted. If someone supports a magazine ban because people made fun of their revolver's capacity then they were already an anti-gun fudd and can go fuck themselves. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 9:44:23 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The "Dicken Drill" makes me cringe. the poor guy probably hates all this attention and masterbating but isn't allowed to speak yet about it. he also didn't shoot all his rounds from the god tier 40 yards away range. he did a damn fine job stopping that threat, and has my respect. I can appreciate people motivated to train some more because of this, but still..... I was going to try it this weekend, but decided against it after finding out that you don’t like it. |
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