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Posted: 3/30/2019 10:47:50 PM EST
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents.
- Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 11:28:15 PM EST
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. But she is also a wildcard, an oddity, and faithful to a fault, and those attributes make her dangerous. I predict she will die protecting Jamie at Winterfell. |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 11:35:50 PM EST
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Really does sound like they're not sparing any expense for this season, and this doesn't even include the sets, CGI, etc... "Dany’s arrival into Winterfell was filmed many times. We’ve heard this before: the almost doubled production time wasn’t just for the sake of battles, but to ensure every scene is filmed in the best way possible. Showrunners Benioff and Weiss didn’t want to spare any expense to do the ending justice; or, as they put it to XLSemanal, to “not fuck it up.” And so they spent ten months filming only six episodes, with as many as three units, repeating takes, tweaking movements and dialogue; polishing for days scenes that should take hours. The showrunners took it more seriously than ever before. This also applies to everyone in the crew. The costume department’s Kate O’Farrell, who has more than 80 people working for her, claims they “made 22,000 pieces of clothing for extras this season, and another 300 for our stars.” Armorer Natalia Lee’s team worked overtime as well, creating countless “daggers, spears, bows, catapults, hammers, shields, crosbows and scorpions, halberds, maces, flails, tribal weapons; swords of steel, copper obsidian, wood and rubber; sword sheaths…”. And on and on it goes. http://watchersonthewall.com/new-game-thrones-season-8-promo-photos-set-report-interviews/ 
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Posted: 3/30/2019 11:59:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree. Both times she faced a dedicated and serious opponent there were...issues. But she is also a wildcard, an oddity, and faithful to a fault, and those attributes make her dangerous. I predict she will die protecting Jamie at Winterfell. and Jamie responds "dying in the arms of the woman I love". That could be taken to mean Cersi, but I think Brienne is more likely. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 3:58:28 PM EST
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Two guys in MAGA hats carrying bleach wack the white walker king!
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Posted: 3/31/2019 4:03:13 PM EST
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Two guys in MAGA hats carrying bleach wack the white walker king! |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 4:33:08 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2019 4:33:56 PM EST
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 4:42:14 PM EST
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Really does sound like they're not sparing any expense for this season, and this doesn't even include the sets, CGI, etc... "Dany’s arrival into Winterfell was filmed many times. We’ve heard this before: the almost doubled production time wasn’t just for the sake of battles, but to ensure every scene is filmed in the best way possible. Showrunners Benioff and Weiss didn’t want to spare any expense to do the ending justice; or, as they put it to XLSemanal, to “not fuck it up.” And so they spent ten months filming only six episodes, with as many as three units, repeating takes, tweaking movements and dialogue; polishing for days scenes that should take hours. The showrunners took it more seriously than ever before. This also applies to everyone in the crew. The costume department’s Kate O’Farrell, who has more than 80 people working for her, claims they “made 22,000 pieces of clothing for extras this season, and another 300 for our stars.” Armorer Natalia Lee’s team worked overtime as well, creating countless “daggers, spears, bows, catapults, hammers, shields, crosbows and scorpions, halberds, maces, flails, tribal weapons; swords of steel, copper obsidian, wood and rubber; sword sheaths…”. And on and on it goes. http://watchersonthewall.com/new-game-thrones-season-8-promo-photos-set-report-interviews/ |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 4:58:03 PM EST
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Some interesting hypotheses!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_0y_z5SJjo
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Posted: 3/31/2019 4:59:22 PM EST
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I don't disagree. Both times she faced a dedicated and serious opponent there were...issues. But she is also a wildcard, an oddity, and faithful to a fault, and those attributes make her dangerous. I predict she will die protecting SANSA at Winterfell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. But she is also a wildcard, an oddity, and faithful to a fault, and those attributes make her dangerous. I predict she will die protecting SANSA at Winterfell. 
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Posted: 3/31/2019 6:45:13 PM EST
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 6:48:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do we even know Jaimie is actually that great? The only times we see him using his sword before he loses his hand is against Ned in season 1 and against Brienne after he has been a captive for a year. Against Ned you can see him struggling a bit and doesn't land a single hit on Ned. Ned is several years older than him, age difference varies between the books and the show. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 6:54:00 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2019 6:55:07 PM EST
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Do we even know Jaimie is actually that great? The only times we see him using his sword before he loses his hand is against Ned in season 1 and against Brienne after he has been a captive for a year. Against Ned you can see him struggling a bit and doesn't land a single hit on Ned. Ned is several years older than him, age difference varies between the books and the show. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. Ned “beating” Arthur Dayne led to hype about him, but he was simply a competent swordsman. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 6:56:10 PM EST
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I have dish network and HBO is no longer available on dish. I also have never seen one episode of Game of Thrones.
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Posted: 3/31/2019 6:59:05 PM EST
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Jaime is one of the greatest swordsmen in the history of the Westeros. So yeah, he “is actually that great.” Ned was simply a competent swordsman. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. Ned was simply a competent swordsman. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:01:35 PM EST
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Is the BlackFish dead, or just hiding out?
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:04:32 PM EST
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I have dish network and HBO is no longer available on dish. I also have never seen one episode of Game of Thrones. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:07:27 PM EST
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I know they call him one of the greatest swordsman but do they ever tell how he earned the title in the books? Is it from his prowess with a sword at tournaments or from fighting actual battles or is he just a good swordsman and a "legend" grew as stories of his swordsmanship were told? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. Ned was simply a competent swordsman. Just the latest example on the show: 2:40  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:08:20 PM EST
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Is the BlackFish dead, or just hiding out? Probably dead though. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:12:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do we even know Jaimie is actually that great? The only times we see him using his sword before he loses his hand is against Ned in season 1 and against Brienne after he has been a captive for a year. Against Ned you can see him struggling a bit and doesn't land a single hit on Ned. Ned is several years older than him, age difference varies between the books and the show. He would have liked to take Ned down, and prove himself the better swordsman without killing him, (kind of hard to do when the other guy is genuinely trying to kill you), but then one of the Lannister guards interfered, and robbed Jamie of that honor. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:32:23 PM EST
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Actual fighting. He was also very good in tournaments. Also it's not simply "they" (other characters) saying he is one of the greatest of all time. GRRM himself said it. Just the latest example on the show: 2:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jZymJz-PM4Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. Ned was simply a competent swordsman. Just the latest example on the show: 2:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jZymJz-PM4 |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:41:22 PM EST
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Thanks I had completely forgotten about that scene, with the exception of that scene I don't remember anyone ever describing a fight Jaime had been in except for his fight with Ned and Brienne. I was thinking maybe it was a legend that had been started that had grown over time and he just went with it. I could see a legend like that being kept going and accepted in a time period like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When talking hypothetical "who would beat who" pretty much everyone credits Brienne for beating Jaime and the Hound in single combat and it seems few take into account the condition of her opponents. - Jaime had been held captive for nearly a year in shit conditions mostly chained to a pole and at the time of the fight he was chained and wearing rags. - The Hound was missing a chunk of his neck at the time of his fight. - Both times Brienne was in good health and wearing armor. Maybe Brienne still would have beat them. Maybe not. Ned was simply a competent swordsman. Just the latest example on the show: 2:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jZymJz-PM4Speaking of which, great quote from Jaime about Arthur Dayne when he is talking to Loras Tyrell and some other Kingsguard: "I learned from the White Bull and Barristan the Bold. I learned from Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, who could have slain all five of you with his left hand while he was taking a piss with the right." |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:48:16 PM EST
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I have dish network and HBO is no longer available on dish. I also have never seen one episode of Game of Thrones.
Once I got to the third episode I was hooked. Can't wait for season 8 to start... my money's on the Dog for the win. 
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:55:33 PM EST
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They said he was killed, but it happened off screen. Probably dead though. No body, no dead. It's GoT rules. And sometimes with the body. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 8:00:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never! No body, no dead. It's GoT rules. And sometimes with the body. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 8:08:39 PM EST
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Is the BlackFish dead, or just hiding out? Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 8:16:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking just the opposite, like there's a bit of foreshadowing when Bronn asks him how he'd like to go, and Jamie responds "dying in the arms of the woman I love". That could be taken to mean Cersi, but I think Brienne is more likely. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 8:17:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking just the opposite, like there's a bit of foreshadowing when Bronn asks him how he'd like to go, and Jamie responds "dying in the arms of the woman I love". That could be taken to mean Cersi, but I think Brienne is more likely. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 8:20:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixt. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:49:03 AM EST
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Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:55:26 AM EST
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damn that would be badass. The Hound is also on the list. Who else from the list is still extant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:01:31 AM EST
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The Hound is no longer on the list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:18:57 AM EST
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Arya is a little murder machine. But I think she'll put a pin on marking names off her list to help protect her family. She went north and gave up (for now) her plan to kill Cersei. Now if that cause is furthered by taking a name off the list....
And we could make the argument that since the Hound is one her side, she's going to postpone her plans to kill him. Another argument can be made that the Hound on her list is dead and she might recognize that. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:56:03 AM EST
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When and how does he drop off? I don't remember that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:58:28 AM EST
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Arya is a little murder machine. But I think she'll put a pin on marking names off her list to help protect her family. She went north and gave up (for now) her plan to kill Cersei. Now if that cause is furthered by taking a name off the list.... And we could make the argument that since the Hound is one her side, she's going to postpone her plans to kill him. Another argument can be made that the Hound on her list is dead and she might recognize that. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 10:39:13 AM EST
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damn that would be badass. The Hound is also on the list. Who else from the list is still extant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
damn that would be badass. The Hound is also on the list. Who else from the list is still extant? part of the reason being that the actor (Wilko Johnson), is in pretty rough shape with cancer. Quoted:
Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 10:47:17 AM EST
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Ilyn Payne should still be on her list, but he's been pretty much written out of the show part of the reason being that the actor (Wilko Johnson), is in pretty rough shape with cancer. Exactly what I was thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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damn that would be badass. The Hound is also on the list. Who else from the list is still extant? part of the reason being that the actor (Wilko Johnson), is in pretty rough shape with cancer. Quoted:
Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. But then again, the show and books have established that prophesy can be fickle and subject to misinterpretation, so maybe Arya wearing his face would fulfill it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 10:50:03 AM EST
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I always have felt like Jamie will be the one to kill Cersei. I could be wrong. If it does happen, it won't be until (Almost) the very end of the show, like Episode 5 this season. In fact, mark it down- Cersei dies in ep5.
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Posted: 4/1/2019 11:24:56 AM EST
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Jamie is going to kill Cersei, according to the prophesy. But then again, the show and books have established that prophesy can be fickle and subject to misinterpretation, so maybe Arya wearing his face would fulfill it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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damn that would be badass. The Hound is also on the list. Who else from the list is still extant? part of the reason being that the actor (Wilko Johnson), is in pretty rough shape with cancer. Quoted:
Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. But then again, the show and books have established that prophesy can be fickle and subject to misinterpretation, so maybe Arya wearing his face would fulfill it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 11:47:21 AM EST
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Posted: 4/1/2019 11:53:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arya had the chance to kill the hound once, but instead left him to suffer and die (or so she thought) slowly. I think she WILL HAVE to kill him in season 8; not out of spite, but out of mercy. I have a theory that The Hound will go through fire to save Arya from The Mountain in some way...and then Arya will have to put the dog down to ease his suffering. I think there is a bond between them and like you suggested and it will play out some way or another. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:01:07 PM EST
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:01:12 PM EST
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Jamie is going to kill Cersei, according to the prophesy. But then again, the show and books have established that prophesy can be fickle and subject to misinterpretation, so maybe Arya wearing his face would fulfill it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. But then again, the show and books have established that prophesy can be fickle and subject to misinterpretation, so maybe Arya wearing his face would fulfill it. She could wear Ser Gregor's face but no one would buy it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:14:02 PM EST
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In order to pull that off, wouldn'y Arya have to be reasonably the same height and build as Jaime? She could wear Ser Gregor's face but no one would buy it. between the two or not. I'm not sure which would be more ridiculously amusing. Arya assuming The Hounds identity or Tyrions. 
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:46:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. Quote HistoryQuoted: Cersei is still on Arya's list and what better way to get to her than wearing her brother's face. Quoted: Arya would have to kill Jaime first to get his face. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:52:25 PM EST
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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:01:44 PM EST
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Don't people have to be killed to use their face? Arya would have to kill Jaime first to get his face. they personally killed. She previously stole one of the faces from the House of Black and White and pissed off Jaqen H'ghar for doing so. She's also carrying around a bag of faces. I'm assuming they came from people she didn't kill. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:27:08 PM EST
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I don't think there's any requirement that a Faceless Man can only take on the identity of someone they personally killed. She previously stole one of the faces from the House of Black and White and pissed off Jaqen H'ghar for doing so. She's also carrying around a bag of faces. I'm assuming they came from people she didn't kill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't people have to be killed to use their face? Arya would have to kill Jaime first to get his face. they personally killed. She previously stole one of the faces from the House of Black and White and pissed off Jaqen H'ghar for doing so. She's also carrying around a bag of faces. I'm assuming they came from people she didn't kill. The point is he has to be dead first and his face has to removed by one of the Faceless Men. If Arya doesn't kill him what other Faceless Man will? |
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