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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire shit show has been building up and the purpose is to try and get the governor tossed out and replaced with a lib. That is their true agenda |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:49:14 PM EDT
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Legal extortion is all the unions stand for
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:51:20 PM EDT
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My kids are out Thursday through Monday most likely, with Tuesday possible. I've been in the "free market rules" category on this one. Though I will say this: A couple I talked to yesterday, both teachers in the Dysart school district, told me they each bring home about $1500 a month. That kinda changed my standpoint on it. I can barely stand my own kids half the time, fuck dealing with everyone else's for $375 a week. ETA: I know there's more "payoff" in teaching than just the paycheck, though I doubt those teachers can afford to live out here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:52:33 PM EDT
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How dare people ask to be paid more!  Most are overpaid anyway. I realize it varies but location, but I think overall they are pretty well paid considering the time off and benefits. Overpaid in many areas. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:53:25 PM EDT
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revoke their access card / rights and hire someone else. That's exactly what would happen to me if I did this horse shit.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:55:27 PM EDT
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I know we're not supposed to question or dare be critical of one of society's last sacred cows......but......
You would think that with all the education they tell your dumb ass they need in order to get that teaching job, maybe one or two might have looked into the historical salaries of the profession in the given area they wanted to teach in? Maybe even did a little math as to what that degree cost in comparison to what one would make? Now....I'm not going to be too harsh because my education, for the number of jobs available in that field, were a whole lot worse than teaching and paid a lot less although I loved the work. But even I knew when it was time to pull the plug and use that degree to move on. It took about 15 years of poverty. I didn't whine or cry......I got off my ass and proved I was educated enough to learn new things and apply myself. Don't like teaching? Fine.....they should show us how good and smart they are and get a job that pays what they want. Simple as that. But they won't. 
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:56:49 PM EDT
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Maybe they should have checked into the pay before basing their careers on it?
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Posted: 4/24/2018 7:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. It ain't about the kids, and they have rejected two offers that were better than they asked for originally. The whole 'daca deal' over again with these leftists. I also remember just a couple days ago there was a photo in a thread of the last NEA magazine promoting gun control and the walk outs...The vast majority of these teachers are liberals. They knew what it paid when they went in, they don't need more. Bet there is plenty of people willing to take the jobs if they wish to work elsewhere. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:00:11 PM EDT
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Maybe they should have checked into the pay before basing their careers on it? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:00:21 PM EDT
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My wife is a 7th grade teacher here in OR at a "high risk" and "low income" school (they are not on strike btw). She says most of them are from a snowball effect of multiple and various things, not just the pay. I asked what kinds of things and she said mostly budget cuts that have an impact on other parts of the school.
After school programs that keep kids safe and not getting in trouble? Most have been cut and now only come if they can get some kind of government grant. Used books that have half the pages missing from the library because the shits can't take care of them. My wife spends on average $1000 a year we calculated on school supplies for the needy kids and books for her classroom that kids can check out. School does not reimburse us for those expenses. If they loose or damage a book, they loose the privilege of checking out her books. Most of them want adequate school supplies instead of having to cover the costs themselves. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:01:06 PM EDT
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How dare people ask to be paid more! |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:03:33 PM EDT
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Considering the Governor offered them a 20% raise over Two years and they still decide to do a walk out, fuck 'em. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How dare people ask to be paid more! |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:05:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:09:44 PM EDT
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Meh. I’m not teaching Friday, Monday, or Tuesday.
Friday and Saturday I’m taking my track team to sectionals in order to qualify for state. Monday is scheduled off day. I’ll probably go fishing. Tuesday I have bus driver recertification. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:12:12 PM EDT
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They said the average pay for a teacher in Colorado is $48,000/year. When the 1000sqft shack down the street sold for $350,000 maybe it is time to give them a raise.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:12:40 PM EDT
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I dont feel bad for these dumbass AZ teachers.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:16:37 PM EDT
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They said the average pay for a teacher in Colorado is $48,000/year. When the 1000sqft shack down the street sold for $350,000 maybe it is time to give them a raise. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Usually it's the only way to get a pay bump or have more opportunities to work on programs outside of the classroom. If you're hired as a 2nd grade teacher, than that's what you're being paid to do....not some club or activity outside of being a 2nd grade teacher. The whole one side of my family are teachers. Are and were and have been since forever. I've gotten to see the "progression" of teaching from my grandmother's time to the current. It's nuts. Just frikken teach 2nd grade as good as you can. But know that you won't get a big salary doing so. Teachers deserve respect for their position in our community. No doubt. But respect doesn't equal higher pay. Same kind of goes for firemen, cops, soldiers, etc. They are respectable professions, but not ones that people who want to have a ton of money should be getting into. But now it seems that they want to be paid what their friends who got MBAs are getting paid. Um, no....you chose something else and you get paid something else. What part of "teachers don't make a lot of money" are they not understanding? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:18:18 PM EDT
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Had to go through this in Oklahoma for two weeks.
At the start, everyone was gung ho supporting the teachers, by the end, started to see some definite hostility. They decided to just make the kids get to school early and stay later to make up the time. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:19:15 PM EDT
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This whole thing is a load of crap. Every teacher knew what the pay was before getting into teaching. Don’t like it, don’t be a teacher. My coworkers husband is a teacher, and he’s pissed. He said this whole thing is putting teachers against each other. It’s nothing but greed and emotions. They were offered a 20% raise, which they turned down. When’s the last time any of you were offered a raise that big? I know I never have been.
My kids district is just doing a late start Thursday to protest, but I will be having a few choice words with the staff to let them know how I feel. Keep the school open, fire everyone who walks out. They want their job back? Make them re interview for it at starting salary. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:21:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Detroit, during the Mayoral administration of Kwame Kilpatrick, it would have gone to pay for a private yacht owned by the superintendent of Detroit Public Schools. Our local school district super has this brand frikken new, big ass leather chair in his office. Same office he'd tell everyone there was no money for anything. "Administration fees". That's a nice way to say corruption. The swamp needs to be drained everywhere, not just DC. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:23:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:23:30 PM EDT
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Teachers in KY did that same shit over pension reform. They finally got mad about their pension but only years late when the current Gov decided to try and fix a broken system that has been raided by previous administrations. They didn't even know what they were really protesting other than they were told the Gov is bad and what he is doing is terrible. Of course the legislation didn't change the system for anyone currently a teacher, only those who would be new next year. But that didn't stop them from calling out sick in masses to force the school district to call off school, screwing over the families and children.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:30:10 PM EDT
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Wait till you Arizona folks get to see all the memes from teachers during the walkout.
I especially liked the ones where the teachers did a self survey and determined they worked 60 hours a week and claim even with the Summer months off, this makes them work much harder than the rest of us. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:33:39 PM EDT
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School district around here is trying to pass a 220 MILLION bond levy. The measure doesn't give much information about exactly what they would spend it all on...nor do they tell us how much it will cost each homeowner.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And did you figure in that they work less than 9 months a year? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:37:07 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
My kids are out Thursday through Monday most likely, with Tuesday possible. I've been in the "free market rules" category on this one. Though I will say this: A couple I talked to yesterday, both teachers in the Dysart school district, told me they each bring home about $1500 a month. That kinda changed my standpoint on it. I can barely stand my own kids half the time, fuck dealing with everyone else's for $375 a week. ETA: I know there's more "payoff" in teaching than just the paycheck, though I doubt those teachers can afford to live out here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:38:49 PM EDT
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^^^ this Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fire all the strikers and start over. You wanna save the US? Destroy the Teachers Unions and Academia. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:41:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Teaching is supposed to be a profession you do because you love it, not because you want to make money. Traditionally it was a career for unmarried women, newly married women who didn't have children yet, older women who's children were grown, or the occasional gay man that still lived with his mother and liked being around children. Just like fast food....it was never a career meant for a man who was responsible for supporting a family. Now many teachers are up to their ears in debt. Met a 2nd grade teacher who's working on her Masters recently. It was sort of interesting to hear her talk, but at the same time I kept thinking....WTF do you need a Masters to teach 2nd grade? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they averaging it out over the 3 months they get off in the summer too? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:42:09 PM EDT
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They said the average pay for a teacher in Colorado is $48,000/year. When the 1000sqft shack down the street sold for $350,000 maybe it is time to give them a raise. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:46:06 PM EDT
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My 8 year old was so excited for her performance that is now canceled. The ring leader of this movement went on record saying they want to make it is painful as possible to prove their point. Here is a novel idea, if you want more pay, protest on your time and don't leave the kids high and dry  
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Posted: 4/24/2018 8:46:45 PM EDT
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How many deserve a raise? How many actually prefer to go to work vs. being forced into this by a union? Why not address the real issue of wasteful spending by inept “govt”, including excessive “administration”? Nah, fuck those kids. I could type pages of places in local, county, state, and federal money is completely wasted in administration fees and expenses. This entire country needs an audit from top to bottom. Start with...anything that says administration, look there first. Go over those figures with a fine toothed comb. Most of it is waste and redundancy at epic levels. $150K a year to teach a child? Then every kid in this country could go to an exclusive private school for costs like that. (doing some fact checking...hold on...) St Albines....where the current first son goes: website says it's down. But...as a guess...it's $50-$80K a year for day school and/or boarding ...ok...here it is: https://www.stalbansschool.org/page/admissions/financial-aid--tuition/tuition--fees $65K a year and the frikken President's son goes there. So...wtf could it possible cost even $100K a year to teach a kid in Arizona? Sandy Spring Friends School....where Obama's kids went: Boarding school there is only $60k a year https://www.ssfs.org/admission/tuition-financial-aid Those prices above are boarding school. So again...why would it possibly cost MORE than that to teach some kid in some random place anywhere in this country? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:05:15 PM EDT
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I have no problem saying teachers down here deserve more money. As a parent of two elementary school children and another in costly preschool, I donate at least $200 in supplies to all of my kids teachers. All the other parents do the same. We have to fork out dough all year long for various projects and PTA fundraisers. The school is nice, the best in the state, well staffed with good people and yet teachers only make $35K. I am more than happy for teachers advocating for more pay, but not by turning your backs on the kids and wait until very last minute to tell everyone
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:08:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering the Governor offered them a 20% raise over Two years and they still decide to do a walk out, fuck 'em. NVM found it; the problem is the legislature hasn't signed off on that I guess. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:13:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably so. I also remember just a couple days ago there was a photo in a thread of the last NEA magazine promoting gun control and the walk outs...The vast majority of these teachers are liberals. They knew what it paid when they went in, they don't need more. Bet there is plenty of people willing to take the jobs if they wish to work elsewhere. She is a teacher in a publically funded, state accredited online school. Most of my kid's online teachers are way further right leaning than you'd think for the state we live in. All of them work from home. There is a noticeable difference between them and the people who work in the office full time. At a get together, I had an awesome 2A conversation with 2 dads and a mom through the same school. Sick of left wing indoctrination, but need your kid to have a regular education on paper?....go with one of these online schools. I have been pleasantly surprised that, even in this lefty wing nut state....the teachers through the online school have been so regular and normal. My idea of normal, anyway. Not the uber left of classroom teachers here. I have no idea what their pay scale is in comparison. Guess you have to factor in that most of them work from home. But, they all seem to really enjoy what they do for a living. WAAAAAAAAAY more so than any classroom teachers I have run across in years. Really, who do you want teaching your kids if you're not directly doing it yourself? Yeah, someone who really enjoys what they do. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:19:05 PM EDT
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Homeschool.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:22:58 PM EDT
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I have no problem saying teachers down here deserve more money. As a parent of two elementary school children and another in costly preschool, I donate at least $200 in supplies to all of my kids teachers. All the other parents do the same. We have to fork out dough all year long for various projects and PTA fundraisers. The school is nice, the best in the state, well staffed with good people and yet teachers only make $35K. I am more than happy for teachers advocating for more pay, but not by turning your backs on the kids and wait until very last minute to tell everyone Should crayons and pencils and paper and stuff be part of the school budget? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:23:31 PM EDT
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Homeschool. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:37:30 PM EDT
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Homeschool. Must be nice to be able to swing guns, McMansion, new trucks, and good burbon on a single income. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:38:31 PM EDT
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Ok. Do you get tax dollars back?
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever stopped to think...if the teacher only makes $35K a year, why on Earth would you and everyone else have to spend $200 in school supplies? Should crayons and pencils and paper and stuff be part of the school budget? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:42:12 PM EDT
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I have never, ever seen a classroom hurting for anything. Always stuffed to the gills with all sorts of things.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:42:38 PM EDT
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My experience as a k-12 student in Arizona is that the average teacher is paid far too much for the job they perform. Their pay should be cut significantly.
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:47:57 PM EDT
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Aren’t teachers not supposed to walkout? |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:50:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:51:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
How dare people ask to be paid more! |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 9:56:56 PM EDT
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My kids charter school is not closing. Don't know what they pay their teachers vs. City districts. |
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Posted: 4/24/2018 10:01:57 PM EDT
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The 'demands'. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/40084/Screenshot_from_2018-04-24_20-51-01-524899.JPG The ring leader of the activist group that is leading this strike is a straight socialist and has been hear numerous times saying they want to make it as painful as possible. The governor has agreed to the demands. What else is there to do? They want him out and are using the kids and teachers to do it and it is despicable |
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