Mechanic gets to take his tools with him when he leaves.

Teacher has to buy expendables (paper, pencils, dry erase markers, etc) that get used up.  Some is provided by parents, but rarely is that consistent enough to cover needs (including for students whose parents don't give enough of a shit to bother with small things like notebooks for their own kids).

English as a Second Language ESL. How much is wasted on this bull stuff?

That is just one of the places our tax dollars are being wasted on education. Cancel that ESL and pro lem solved.

Only two months in the summer, here.

Two weeks at Christmas, one for Fall break and one for Spring Break.  Not certain if they have to physically be at the school during any of those breaks.

$150k is total cost, not a per-child cost.

I would be surprised if my kids school has 3/4 of that.  Campus school and none of the buildings are new, most were old when I was born.  Teacher and aide, though.  We bought a case of paper (cardstock) for the kindergarten class and large boxes of dry erase markers when the teachers said they needed more.  It is my personal feeling that we should take responsibility for our own kids education.

Just saw this on another site, it’s a look at the leader of this strike.

A true SJW in teachers clothes.

No wonder they chose Red as their color...

He’s teaching your kids.

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Fire all the teachers who walk out and hire scabs.

Problem solved.  Problem staying solved.

Plus the meals. I understand that for some kids, that may be the only opportunity for a decent breakfast and lunch, but that's not our problem. Little Jimmy or Sally can pack a lunch.

If their home doesn't have the resources to stick a ham sandwich, string cheese, and an apple in a lunch box, who's to blame there? It's not the kid's fault, the parents need to be held accountable, or their kid doesn't eat lunch that day.

I have to buy school supply pack before each year. $125 if I remember right. Thats a butt load of office supplies @ 30 students per class.

Not trying to shitpost on you, but there are tons of jobs that require licensing renewal fees, continuing educating training, professional organization fees, equipment rentals, misc business related expenses.

Everyone spends money to work. $125 is a drop in the bucket.

Wonder what would happen if they did a residency check on the schools in Naco?  Douglas?  Nogales?  The screaming from the left would be hysterical.

Where are you going to find replacement teachers?

Lol, that is for my son to go to school, not for me to work. Every parent pays that. That doesnt include all the other supplies I buy throughout the year.

My work pays for my certs, phone, CPEs, etc but I do have my expenses to do my work thing as well.

Hell, even my schools in liberal-ass Tempe, AZ growing up, they would bus in illegals to my middle school and high school. We have an area called Guadalupe, where you'll be driving, and it will be normal suburban Phoenix, then you cross a street and you are in Tijuana. It's bad, and they would bus the kids in from there.

All of the Sherrif Joe drama made it a hands off area, but it's just a shithole. Those shitty kid all got bussed into my high school. Misbehaving, drugs, generally being assholes..

Once again, I'm not blaming the kids, I'm blaming the people in office that allowed it to happen.

I misunderstood the context! Sorry.

Do what Reagan did with the striking air traffic controllers:  Fire them all.  Hire new ones.  The kids can have a nice long break until the new teachers get there.

That's what I'm saying, is let's see who really has skin in the game. Tell those striking teachers to go fuck themselves. They are already complaining about not making enough money... How about no money next payday?

Show up for work and do your job.

Haha that is a no bullshit assessment of Guadalupe. It's looks like a straight up Mexican town plopped right in the middle a metro city and its not gradual its one side of the street is Mexico one side is normal.

Not true anymore. You only need a BA in AZ, or at least Pima County to teach in government schools.

Your full of shit and you know it. Your wife doesn't have to work extra, just doesn't get the work done in the timer frame necessary. Schools close when they close, not like your girl works the extra time off during the months off. Weather ain't a problem here in AZ, just goes to show you're bitching up a different tree. Better make sure she ain't cheating on you.

First one to scream ethnic is the first one to out themselves as the entitlement gang.

Really, go research government education because it was a safe space after the 1940's based on your logic. Before that, it was basically homeschool and little school house privately funded. (lower portion of the road excrement)

Our daughters charter school here is AZ will be in session.  The Principle said it would mess up the the rest of the of the school year, and the kids education comes first.  this is also the school that has the "Dont Tread On Me" flag.

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Don't know much about wrenching, do you? Funny guy.

I saw that.  Sickening

My kiddo goes to a private Christian school in Northwest Tucson. No walkout here.
One of my kiddo’s classmate’s Mom is a public school teacher. They are walking out at the public school.
Arizona’s tax credit laws are very favorable for parental choice in the schools their kids attend. Most schools will also accept kids from out of district if they have the room to accommodate them.
This leads to parental choice. Best schools have waiting lists from out of district familys.
A married couple here can opt to divert up to roughly $2k of their state tax bill to fund a child in private school. My friends have funded my kiddo’s private school education in this manner. God knows I couldn’t afford $11k in tuition a year. It’s worth it, as she’s getting a first class education.
Those tax credits could well be funding some increased public school funding. Again, the state government has decided that parental choice is best for our kids, and the public schools are taking it in the shorts because for the most part they suck and can’t compete for the students.
My kiddos friend’s Mom takes advantage of those tax credits while organizing the walkout at her public school. Hypocrite much? I called her on it and got a lame excuse.
Liberals...

Jesus. This guy needs to be tarred, feathered, beaten and run out of the state. This shit is toxic. If I had a kid in his class, I'd be livid... and all over the principal. Either he'd get fired, or I'd put my kid in a private school that week. Fuck these reds.

What's the problem here, guys?

Teachers either love it or they are out of their minds.

Teacher training here in California -

4 years (or more) to get an undergraduate degree, plus...
2 years of graduate school in your subject specialty, plus...
1 1/2 years of graduate school teacher training, plus...
1/2 year of supervised student teaching in a class room, followed by...
2 years of supervised teaching (which you have to pay for the supervision)

Then, you get a teaching credential that is good for only 5 years.

Let's add that up, shall we...

10 years of schooling and classroom training (time)
Tuition for 7 1/2 years of college ($35k to $500k depending upon tuition rates)
~$20k in fees

Legally mandated reporter
Background check
Mandatory TB test
Mandatory CPR training
... and more

How many of you have that much education and training and get paid as little as $30k per year?  
How many of you are responsible for educating the next generation of the nation's children (parents, please speak up)?
How many of you are assaulted and attacked by your co-workers (the workplace equivalent of students)?

That's what I know about the basic situation for teachers.  I don't know the details... yet.

Work 9 months/year = HA!  School starts at 8 AM, professional development ends at 5 PM.  You get 30 minutes for lunch.  You're also forgetting all the overtime teachers put in - reading essays, grading tests, writing lesson plans, decorating their classrooms, creating presentation materials for the lessons,...

What choice do you have but to teach when you have a gun to your head forcing you to...

I think the point is, they want higher wages and they are within their rights to pursue that.  The Union membership has called for a strike to help them negotiate a better deal.

Is the problem here the Union calling for a strike?  Or is the problem the teachers want higher pay?

Is the pay equal when days off are factored in?

ETA: The strike hurts the students the teachers supposedly love.  They know their actions hurt the kids more than anyone and use that as leverage.  I see a trend...

Striking in the middle of their contract is my issue. Yeah and Calofornia which isn't where were talking about having ridiculous requirements to be a teacher has exactly zero to do with the situation here.

Is the pay equal to what?

To other professions with similar education requirements but work year round.

I also have a problem with the mid-year strike.  I lived thru several teacher strikes, including strikes that forced an extension of the school year.  I've been thru sanitation strikes (this was BAD!), police strikes,...

I offered what I know about California (facts) but I bet it isn't too different in Arizona.  Besides, many others in this thread are painting with a very broad brush.  For instance, there's a lot of discussion of teaching in Colorado, teachers are all old maids,... blah, blah, blah... lots of "derp".

Teachers in AZ dont need 10 years of school.

Average teacher salary is like 58k.

180 days a year of work. Every imaginable holiday + vacation and sick time. Seriously where else would you get that schedule? There are 365 days in a year for those keeping score.

Salaried positions often require more than 40 hours.

Pension. Who gets that anymore besides .gov?

Many schools repay student loans.

I keep hearing about this overtime. How they have time to protest morning and night?

So much BS. I know many teachers and none of them are ecen close to poverty level which is 48k per year in AZ for a family of 4.

Total compensation is the word you are looking for and teachers have plenty of it.

I believe it isn't even close if you look at $/hr, based upon actual hours spent.  Teachers are paid much lower wage rates ($/hr).

With all the responsibility placed on our teachers (they literally train the next generation), why do we pay them so little and then complain about the quality of the people and the quality of the instruction?

Teaching has to be one of the most overrated professions around.

I should go be a teacher here in AZ. Social studies or Political science. Mess around in my class and I'll fuck up your whole week.

Best K-12 teachers I had way back in the ‘70-‘80s were men. IIRC I had one female mechanical engineering professor.

California is in the process of increasing the requirements for teacher credentialing and simultaneously cutting total compensation.  The whole situation seems out of balance.

I suspect the 180 days/year does not represent the total actual working time spent by a teacher.  It is higher than that, those are class days.

Over-rated?  How so?

Certainly it is under-rated and under-valued, as manifest in your post.

With salaries being high for the amount of hours worked there shouldn’t be any problem finding replacements, right?

If they tried a wage walkout around here, they'd get egged off the sidewalk. 80 cents of every property tax dollar goes to the BOE.

All of that money goes to a basically worthless HS diploma. I'm all for a paradigm shift for the educational system, to one that benefits specialized information and actually has usefulness in the real world.

180 days is 180 days. I work. Do i get credit for extra days when I work overtime?

My kid goes to a private school(no tax dollars received) , no strike.  I pay them less per year than what is spent in tax dollars per student in public schools yet they seem to thrive while providing a better education.  Its as if gov sucks at everything yet people think more tax money is the fix.

I'm so incredibly tired of the "poor me" teacher schtick.  I know it's different in every state, so my perspective is from WI only.  My Mom, Dad, and Uncle were all teachers.  I saw exactly how things worked for them.  How many days they were home every summer.  Exactly what they got paid.  Even read their contracts a couple times when older.  See what they get in retirement now, and how early they retired, what their health coverage cost and provided.

It was a pretty sweet fucking gig.  They didn't get rich without being frugal but their total compensation was pretty damned good for the amount of time they traded.

And the biggest thing about it: I've never in my entire life seen a shortage of teachers.  People line the fuck around the building for every single opening in my district.

Next time they're hiring I think I'll set up a table outside the school and offer each and every teacher a job welding.  I'll pay them more and the only thing they'll have to buy is their own lid and welper.  How many takers will I get?  Zero.  Why?  Because they love kids?  hahahah, sure.  I think maybe it's more because the welder is accountable for producing something good every day.  Not showing a degree that says he should be capable of it, or making excuses of why he didn't do it.  Actually fucking do it.

There are definitely problems in our school system.  Too many chiefs not enough indians for one.  I think teachers should get paid more, in general, than they do currently.  Their union helped create the problem and now makes it almost impossible to solve.  Administrators get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to literally do nothing but administrate state requirements.  Shit bag teachers are next to impossible to terminate unless they diddle a kid.  Excellent teachers can't be rewarded unless they have the right documents to signal the virtue of their academic prowess or whatever condition the union put in the contract.  All while faking test scores, graduating anyone who can manage to show up for 65% of the year, and generally doing whatever possible to shirk the responsibility of meeting any kind of objective metric for performance.

lol.  What a shit fest.  I have zero sympathy.  Don't like the comp?  Find another job, just like everyone else.  Don't like the education requirements?  Tell your union to stop tying compensation to education.  Walking out over pay is just wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

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Cant speak for anyone else but my kid is at home doing homework till about six most school nights and he has work to do over the weekends too. These teachers are full of shit. This is about that chi town transplant and getting rid of douche. Not happy with his gun legislation but otherwise he is decent.