If parents are "educating" their children, why we needs teachers?

So govt brainwashers went on strike? Fire  them all....teaching has been a low pay profession for decades....dont go into it then bitch ur pay is low

A welder can’t turn every piece of shitty raw material into a fully functional machine either.....

Wrong.

Sorry your feelz are feeling. Cry elsewhere.

Because grammar isn’t everyone’s forte as evidenced by posts in this thread.

And “education” isn’t just about the 3R’s.

Ahhh. Grammer Nazi. Good on ya. The struggle is realz yo.

Point 1. I have been drinking.
Point 2. I still get paid more than grammer nazis.
Point 3. I dont know everything. And thats ok. I know who to call for everything else.
Point 4. Again, why do we need teachers if we are all illiterate, but teachers expect us parents to educate our children so they may sit on their laurels and babysit them for 8 hours a day.

I have to help with homework until 6pm at night regularly.  That means hours spent on my time figuring out this common core bullshit that doesnt need the right answer, only that you followed some process. 1+1 isnt 2 anymore. No, no. That shit is 3 if you map it out on a dot matrix and then show your work.

No they are not making 35k a year. I know several teachers and they do much better. That is an entry level wage if true.

You can believe what you want, however wrong it may be.

Look at States where teachers are well paid, IQ scores are falling there as well.  So, to correlate pay to quality is specious.

There is so much corruption and blood suckers in educational funding.

I support the walk out.

Her contract specifies a total number of days to work, which extend to about 30 total days outside of the 9 months school is in session.

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Here's the game that the General Assembly usually plays when it comes to that sort of thing.  They do the exact same thing with lotteries and casinos.

They push through an initiative like a tax hike, lottery or a casino under the guise of it being a source of income for the schools.

They do exactly that, funnel the proceeds to the schools.  However, they simply reduce the up front funding "because we have all of that casino revenue"

Seen it here tons of times.

In most places here it's 191 days.  When I was back in Virginia, it was 200 days and for a whole lot less money.

A simple formula to do head to head comparisons of pay between teachers and, as you say, "full time" employees (which is a misnomer) is as follows.

This is based off of our required 191 day schedule here.

Annual salary/191 days/7.5 hours = hourly compensation.

Now do that with your "full time" job and we'll concede your 240 days example:

Annual salary/240 days/7.5 hours = hourly compensation.

Every time I do that break out against someone with comparable years, education and responsibilities in a non-education position, my hourly wage is considerably lower.

There's nowhere where the average cost per pupil is $150,000.  It's usually somewhere on the scale of $12k-15k though I'm sure someone will find plenty of examples that are higher or lower.

The important thing to remember in those numbers is that the $15k is not distributed evenly amongst every student in terms of the resources that they receive.  That one single kid that is wheelchair bound, is non-verbal, needs someone to literally wipe his ass and change his diaper is probably receiving upwards of $100k-125k in resources himself.  We have several of those kids, and they all have at least one full-time aide who gets paid about $18k a year, they have a bus that transports each kid separately, those buses also have an aide that is different than the first aide.

We have to reconstruct bathrooms to accommodate these students, buy adaptive instructional technologies and a million other things to service these students.

The discussion of whether those students should be in a comprehensive high school setting is another one, but the point is that there are some students who require enormous resources beyond "regular students" and it skews the numbers tremendously.

We haven't even touched on the non-physically disabled kids who are intellectually challenged and need additional resources.

Teachers have become one of the worst groups of government workers.  Every one I know complains about everything.  They get paid a shit ton if you consider they work only 9 months out of the year and school ends at 400 pm at the latest everday. None of them thought teaching was gonna make them a lot of money, but now that they are there they demand it? Let's not forget the constant socialist garbage they brainwash your children with. Teachers who protest during regular school hours should be fired on the spot. There should be no such thing as teacher unions either, blows my mind.

So true there is also Marxist Luciferian indoctrination in all the other ancillary areas of life single parent families no longer have the time to take care of themselves.

Just looked it up, they start at $34K. You are wrong. What else do you have?

My friends who are teachers would sacrifice a bit of pay for the authority to maintain classroom discipline.  The public schools are turning into a zoo with all the unaccountable little snowflakes with learning disabilities and parents who enable bad behavior.  Add to that mix a bunch of teachers who spent time in school being indoctrinated into thinking that their profession was worthy of a six figure salary, generous days off, full benefits, and no accountability and you get what you get.

You'd be amazed at what passes for a licensed teacher these days.  And since administrators aren't there to "judge" they get to keep their jobs.

Gotta love the MD screw job.

Kharn

Neal Boortz on Educators (mostly about college profs, from last Wed)

And in 10 years, what do they make?

Tucson school district says $40,400 at 10 years, homes look to be easily available for $<200-250k.

Harford County MD, for example, a 10 year teacher with a bachelor's and standard professional certificate is $55k, when single family 1500-2000sqft homes are $300-400k on 1/4 acre lots if you exclude the ghetto.

You could go elsewhere to make more money, but that cost of living will kill you.

Kharn

I'd call them out of school

Unfortunately, that wouldn't get their point across to the administration like a walk-out would

You people?

Your posts in here have been very rational, and not at all bitter

You said I was wrong and they are not making $35k when in fact they are. Now you are back tracking after I was proven correct. Based on what my wife tells me who is best friends with two of the teachers at my kid’s school and the statistics from research, the annual salary for teachers at the school down the road is $38K

You don’t get it. The administration are social activists who are encouraging this behavior to get more funding

I'll be calling in for my daughter the days they have to make up at the end of the year. She's ready to attend school everyday so why should she suffer? All sports are affected except for Varsity level as long as staffing is available.

I like this because it hits on both sides of the equation. What happens when snowflakes raise snowflakes but take away the teachers ability to melt them at all?

Who would have thought all this leftism and everyone is a winner would start to create problems?

I have a lot of teachers in my family including one in AZ. I'm a Marine I joined knowing I would make very little in exchange for a lot of work.i was dumb 19, and high school educated

I'm still shocked the young 20 somethings with degrees are clueless about a profession that is notoriously underpaid and overworked.

My uncle has been in for nearly 20 along with my aunt. They've been in so long they are just salty veterans.

My other aunt quit after 5 years and my 3rd aunt has been at it for 10 but bitches about the lack of pay.

Here's a thought when the teacher salary goes up does that promote the parental "that's your job, school" or make it better. I'm betting it only promotes the "that's what we pay YOU for" mentality

Well they also rape alot of their kids ...

They work less than 9 months a year when you consider all the bullshit days they get off during the school year and summer vacation.
Require them to work all year. They get two weeks vacation that they can take during the summer, spring break, or Christmas break.
When school is not in session is when they should be doing training and continuing education.

Then we can talk more money.

Tells me all I need to know.

Thin line between greedy Marxists and social activism "for the children"

Schools are becoming increasingly outdated. That's not something anyone wants to talk about and we aren't to "full autonomy" yet by any stretch, but people are talking about robot flown airlines and we will still have kids using the Chicago factory model from the 1800s??

School unions and teachers are a massive Democratic voting block they'll be protected ruthlessly whether do a good job or not. Good job being education. Not the great job of indoctrination like asking students to write letters on their behalf

We pay to educate ALOT of illegals,  and then we have the ones that LIVE in mexico,  walk thru the POE every morning and board a bus to go to school in Az....

The districts like all gov entities squander funds,  I think teachers should get more but the districts can be very top heavy and ineffecient.

I guess being good lefties should come at a price

Yes people with similar educations receive different compensation.  Some degrees don't pay as well.  Gender studies pays a lot less, on average, than a degree in engineering.  What's your point?  You choose a low paying degree and we should feel sorry for you?  Turn that education into a different job if you believe your compensation isn't worth it. Go make the big bucks, but accept it takes more days worked as well as more hours spent at work.

Check the names on who you're quoting and who you previously quoted, I'm not backtracking.

If they're averaging $38k, that means low average number of years experience, low number of master's/PhDs, etc. Teachers also don't stay in the profession for life of the benefits suck, they get married, have kids, and stay home if their spouse can support it.

Kharn

My mistake. I apologize

It's an easy four years in college for a white collar career, that's why many pick it. They love the party without considering the rest of their lives.

Kharn

They protested outside the district building in Milwaukee yesterday.

So? More than minimum wage.

Indoctrination of our youth shouldn’t be a fucking cent over minimum wage.

When my wife first became a teacher, she knew her salary would be low. Her first teaching job was $28K before taxes. When I first became and EMT I knew I wasn't going to make much money. We did it for the betterment of the community and then moved on to make more money to support our family better. It is how life goes. If you become a teacher you know what you are going to get paid before you start day 1. There is an interview process and they tell you what your salary will be. If you don't like, don't do it.

Yes, the educational system in this state is horrible, but the accounting of tax payer money that actually reaches the classroom is horrible too. They constantly increase taxes to increase teacher salary, but the time the money reaches the teachers it is only pennies. Everyone skimmed off the top until actually gets to where it is going. The only way to fix the problem is to have a full audit of every cent of tax payer's money and see where it is actually going. If a penny was spent on a paper clip I want to know. Unless this is done, it will just be more of the same.

Amen.

My mother is a teacher in AZ, she is retiring this year.

She has done it for the love of teaching, growing up I cant tell you how many times I stayed at school until 5-6pm or later with her because of the increased workload placed on her, increased students, and her desire to give them an education that was above and beyond the mandated curriculum.

^11-12 hour days, then working from home to grade homework, then repeating, using weekends to create lesson plans... all for sub 50K a year, with a masters. Even coming into retirement (and a shitty one at that, that she pays into heavily), she is making low 50's after 20+ years in the school district. She (and most teachers) put up with that because they see the kids grow and prosper, and they love seeing that.

She is not the type to walk out, and she would not unless the school closed down due to the walkouts. She detests the political nature of the teachers union, fully seeing how it manipulates the ideologies of the teachers, which in turn gets passed onto the kids before they have a chance to make their own opinion. The teachers union doesn't fight for the wellbeing of the teachers as much as its a political tool.

The problem currently lies in two critical areas (in my opinion):

1. Parents:  Teachers are willing to handle more kids than advertised, they are willing to put for the effort for shit pay and the quality of life it comes with... but when parents constantly harass the teachers for their little shit not performing because they failed to instill discipline at home, all that goes out the window.  The teacher is undermined, and unable to do the job because of the disturbance. It used to be the one or two kids, now its borderline majority (and in good schools).  Administration and mandated policy (thanks Obama, and you too Bush), leaves teachers with little more than to suck it up so classroom statistics can be artificially altered so federal dollars can keep rolllllling on in.  Once this pattern of behavior is established, it spreads like disease, because why do your homework/behave in class/put in effort when you can just blame the teacher and your parents come to the rescue?

2. Policy and Curriculum:  Federal policy has pushed states into a nationwide curriculum that is for lack of better terms: heinously garbage and essentially propaganda.  It is backed up and enforced by the threat of federal funds withholding.  No child left behind, and Obama era discipline policies have eroded safety and punishment.  If a child has an outburst, throws a fit, or even gets violent.. its swept under the rug (all for the "greater good" so the kid has no red marks on their record), this enforces that no consequences exist, on top of parents bailing kids out.  Next is curriculum, teachers have very little say on what they actually teach now, its all from a book and prescribed, and if they wish to go above and beyond that.... its basically holding another job, since the prescribed formula still needs to be taught, or else the teacher will now be punished.. even if the kids get a better education.

Finally, every level of (unclassified) state and federal spending needs to be public and audited every other year.. its our dollars, we deserve to know where they are going, and if they are being wasted.

I support the teachers walking out, I don't support the unions.  Something needs to give, the parents should be behind the teachers, once that happens we might see a change in our public schooling system for the better.

Did someone force your mother to become a teacher or did she choose to do it on her own free will? Did she not know what she was getting into before she became a teacher? How many EMTs and paramedics do you hear about striking for more pay?

They'd lose their minds.  I know a lot of them who went into it specifically because they knew they'd get all that time off.

Teachers make shitty money, but every single one of them already knew that when they opted to pursue it as a career path.

The summer vacation at my kid's school is from May 25th-July 9th. It is a decent chunk of time off, but they don't get the bigger vacations that other districts do.

Yes, "you people."  A couple of decades ago, parents started bitching about little Suzy failing classes.  Instead of being a parent, helping her with homework, keeping her accountable for her grades, they went crying to government.  Forcing standardized testing on everyone.  The cycle continued to the point where our school district has 3 standardized tests every year.  No actual involvement from parents at the home, school, or school board level.  The citzenry brought this shit upon themselves.

Chose it on her own free will.  Again, she has done it for (I think) around 25 years just in this district, over 30 years total.  When she says the profession has changed a lot in the past 8-10 years, and even more so in the past 4-5.. to the point where she was going to continue working for the district after retiring.. and now is questioning that.. I believe that is truly saying something, as she's about as dedicated as it comes, going far above and beyond the job title (for example creating classes that otherwise would never have been taught in public school, without increasing school budgets)

If these teachers did not want from the deepest places in their hearts to teach children.. we would have a horrendous teacher shortage.

I'm telling you know that the job isn't what it used to be, and its always been a shit paying job.

My wife was a teacher for several years. When we realized we needed more money with our first child coming, we both changed careers. I am for teachers making more money, but they are pulling a political stunt down here. The governor gave into their demands and somehow it is not enough. The strike is being run by a full socialist radical and using the kids as pawns, but yet you still support them striking? I don't get it.

She isn't doing it for the money. Still isn't, even when she should have left to make more money.
When someone who isn't doing it for the money, and hasn't their entire life, is one of the best in the business, is questioning staying in that career... there is a true systemic problem.

I said in a previous post I am, highly, against the teachers unions.  I fully believe teachers have a point to make, and its to the point of strikes... however just like nearly everything that side of politics does... I think they are focusing on the wrong things, which I already outlined in my first post.

For the record, I believe the dept. of education should be destroyed.  Teaching should be privatized, or at the bare minimum reduced to the state level with nothing more than a QC check from the feds (not standardized testing).  Just another government program run into the ground.