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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:15:59 PM EST
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Quote Historyyou left out "stupid" |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:18:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So was this a false flag op to push the good guy with gun narrative or does false flag only go one way? Asking for a friend… I really wish we could label individual posts with troll tags. Maybe it was a false flag that got stopped by a good guy with a gun. An un planned for gun. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:18:29 PM EST
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Do we have any video? If anyone can get the good guy to sign up, I’d like to buy him a membership.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:19:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Incel? Maybe |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:19:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you are wrong. The shooter was there because his girlfriend could not get an abortion in Indiana. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does White Supremacy fit into it? That's the angle. Everything is political. EVERYTHING. I think you are wrong. The shooter was there because his girlfriend could not get an abortion in Indiana. How is that not political? it's a statement about the Scotus decision. Of course it is a political statement. What rational person would kill others because he can't kill the unborn? Because of a lack of services? It's directly related to the SCOTUS decision to let states decide based on the mores and norms of those living in their states. He took up violence because he was not happy with the state's decision. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:23:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excerpts from news article identifies those involved: Those dead are Pedro Pineda, 56, and his wife, 37-year-old Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda and 30-year-old Victor Gomez. The shooter was identified as 20-year-old Jonathan Douglas Sapirman of Greenwood. His juvenile record included a fight at school and runaway incident. At 5:57 p.m., Elisjsha Dicken, an armed bystander, fired on Sapirman. Dicken fired 10 rounds hitting Sapirman as Sapirman tried to retreat into the bathroom but collapsed and died. Dicken had no police training or military background, according to police. He was carrying under the new "Constitutional Carry" law and did not have a permit. https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37 High capacity mags work! |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:25:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Incel? Quote HistoryQuoted: Incel? Somebody said he was mad his girlfriend couldn't get an abortion in Indiana. Guess it could have been his girlfriend's boyfriend who knocked her up. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:31:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So was this a false flag op to push the good guy with gun narrative or does false flag only go one way? Asking for a friend… As Freud may have said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:32:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do we have any video? If anyone can get the good guy to sign up, I’d like to buy him a membership. May already be a member; screen name? |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:33:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: High capacity mags work! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Excerpts from news article identifies those involved: Those dead are Pedro Pineda, 56, and his wife, 37-year-old Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda and 30-year-old Victor Gomez. The shooter was identified as 20-year-old Jonathan Douglas Sapirman of Greenwood. His juvenile record included a fight at school and runaway incident. At 5:57 p.m., Elisjsha Dicken, an armed bystander, fired on Sapirman. Dicken fired 10 rounds hitting Sapirman as Sapirman tried to retreat into the bathroom but collapsed and died. Dicken had no police training or military background, according to police. He was carrying under the new "Constitutional Carry" law and did not have a permit. https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37 High capacity mags work! You know, I was thinking the antis would grab onto the idea that "SEE-TEN ROUNDS IS ENOUGH!!!" |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:33:36 PM EST
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Elisjsha Dicken did what 400 cops couldn't do.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:34:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, I was thinking the antis would grab onto the idea that "SEE-TEN ROUNDS IS ENOUGH!!!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Excerpts from news article identifies those involved: Those dead are Pedro Pineda, 56, and his wife, 37-year-old Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda and 30-year-old Victor Gomez. The shooter was identified as 20-year-old Jonathan Douglas Sapirman of Greenwood. His juvenile record included a fight at school and runaway incident. At 5:57 p.m., Elisjsha Dicken, an armed bystander, fired on Sapirman. Dicken fired 10 rounds hitting Sapirman as Sapirman tried to retreat into the bathroom but collapsed and died. Dicken had no police training or military background, according to police. He was carrying under the new "Constitutional Carry" law and did not have a permit. https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37 High capacity mags work! You know, I was thinking the antis would grab onto the idea that "SEE-TEN ROUNDS IS ENOUGH!!!" I'ma hoping its a G26 with a flush mag. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:40:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'ma hoping its a G26 with a flush mag. Yeah, but imagine the GD 40 hate if it was a G27 (with a +1). 
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:41:43 PM EST
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Guess I can’t upload Photos. However there’s a few on FB of AS with his weapons.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:41:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but imagine the GD 40 hate if it was a G27 (with a +1). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'ma hoping its a G26 with a flush mag. Yeah, but imagine the GD 40 hate if it was a G27 (with a +1). G19 with the 30 rd. extendo and beamz |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:43:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post that everywhere. People with brains will see she’s inadvertently advocating for more carry everywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Post that everywhere. People with brains will see she’s inadvertently advocating for more carry everywhere. The stupid bitch deleted that one. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:45:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could have just been the nearest table to him at the food court. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Possibly. Something doesn't add up. Timing, age, weapon of choice, first targets chosen, etc. Could have just been the nearest table to him at the food court. That was my thought |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:51:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will likely cost 5-10k+ in lawyer fees to clear him from the civil suits. Fees that he will never be able to recover most likely. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't see what damages he would liable for unless one of his bullets hit an innocent. It will likely cost 5-10k+ in lawyer fees to clear him from the civil suits. Fees that he will never be able to recover most likely. An unfortunate acquaintance of mine who somehow passed the bar, suggested on social media today that the 22yo violated the rights of the perp by killing him and ending the massacre. He's a moron. Morons with law licenses are dangerous to a free society. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:52:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that not political? it's a statement about the Scotus decision. Of course it is a political statement. What rational person would kill others because he can't kill the unborn? Because of a lack of services? It's directly related to the SCOTUS decision to let states decide based on the mores and norms of those living in their states. He took up violence because he was not happy with the state's decision. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How does White Supremacy fit into it? That's the angle. Everything is political. EVERYTHING. I think you are wrong. The shooter was there because his girlfriend could not get an abortion in Indiana. How is that not political? it's a statement about the Scotus decision. Of course it is a political statement. What rational person would kill others because he can't kill the unborn? Because of a lack of services? It's directly related to the SCOTUS decision to let states decide based on the mores and norms of those living in their states. He took up violence because he was not happy with the state's decision. Not everything is about White Supremacy. It could have been about abortion. It could be that he is just nuts. I am leaning towards he is a violent person who takes drugs and wanted to get his 5 minutes of fame. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:55:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My lord these people are ridiculous. There really isn't any middle ground anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Liberalism is a mental disorder. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439317/Capture_PNG-2457601.png My lord these people are ridiculous. There really isn't any middle ground anymore. No, there really isn't. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:55:39 PM EST
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Todays full press conference can be watched here:
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37 And on youtube:  Greenwood Shooting Press Conference Chief Ison is is impressive. The way he handled the manipulative reporters was great Reporter Russ Mcquaid is a a prick. He was the dickhead in the light blue shirt running his mouth last night. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 3:56:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could have just been the nearest table to him at the food court. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Possibly. Something doesn't add up. Timing, age, weapon of choice, first targets chosen, etc. Could have just been the nearest table to him at the food court. Maybe. The guy that went to kill black people in Buffalo killed a white woman first. 
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:01:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indiana chief of defender (paraphrase): MANY more people would have died but for the timely intervention of a legally armed civilian.  Good for that chief. And thanks to him for recognizing the truth of the situation! |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:01:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are people in this country that are upset the body count isn't in the double digits and they're taking it out on the good samaritan. Let that sink in. Vile, vile individuals. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:03:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was my thought Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Possibly. Something doesn't add up. Timing, age, weapon of choice, first targets chosen, etc. Could have just been the nearest table to him at the food court. That was my thought Criminal came out of the bathroom and started shooting. Hero shot him, maneuvered, and then finished the piece of shit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:04:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell I attended active shooter training at my church and the police officer giving training was against it. Also he is a school resource police officer. What in the actual fuck? I'd find a different trainer.... How does he teach with his head firmly wedged up his ass? |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:05:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe. The guy that went to kill black people in Buffalo killed a white woman first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Possibly. Something doesn't add up. Timing, age, weapon of choice, first targets chosen, etc. Could have just been the nearest table to him at the food court. Maybe. The guy that went to kill black people in Buffalo killed a white woman first. Lefties are violent, plain and simple. They may try to rationalize attacking one group of people, but really they don’t care who they kill, as long as they get to kill. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:05:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Libs be mad. https://www.foxnews.com/us/gun-control-advocates-stunned-man-allegedly-shot-indiana-mall-shooter-labeled-good-samaritan Critics are lashing out after a man carrying a concealed pistol stopped a mass shooting at an Indiana shopping mall, arguing the man should not be called a "Good Samaritan." "The term, ‘Good Samaritan’ came from a Bible passage of a man from Samaria who stopped on the side of the road to help a man who was injured and ignored," wrote CBS4 traffic anchor Justin Kollar on Twitter Monday. "I cannot believe we live in a world where the term can equally apply to someone killing someone… my God." Kollar's comment comes after a gunman opened fire at a suburban Indianapolis shopping mall on Sunday, killing three people before he was gunned down by man legally carrying a concealed pistol. Reports on Monday found that the man who put a halt to the shooting was actually in violation of Greenwood Park Mall policy, which bans the carry of weapons in its facility. Greenwood Mayor Mark Myers credited the man with saving several lives by killing the shooter, saying they were grateful for his "quick action and heroism." "Someone we are calling the ‘Good Samaritan’ was able to shoot the assailant and stop further bloodshed," Meyers said in a statement. "This person saved lives tonight. On behalf of the City of Greenwood, I am grateful for his quick action and heroism in this situation." But some critics joined Kollar in criticizing the man's actions despite him allegedly putting a stop to the mass shooting. "The Good Samaritan paid for an unknown immigrant's health care out of pocket," comedian John Fugelsang wrote on Twitter. "The Good Samaritan did not shoot anyone. Jesus was not a fan of killing for any reason, including self-defense. But if these ammosexuals had ever read the Bible, they couldn't support the GOP or NRA." "I don’t know who needs to hear this but when a 22-year-old illegally brings a loaded gun into a mall and kills a mass shooter armed with an AR-15 after he already killed three people and wounded others is not a ringing endorsement of our implementation of the Second Amendment," Moms Demand Action Founder Shannon Watts said on Twitter. But despite the man's apparent lack of regard for mall rules, his actions were also praised by Greenwood Park Mall representatives. "We grieve for the victims of yesterday’s horrific tragedy in Greenwood. Violence has no place in this or any other community. We are grateful for the strong response of the first responders, including the heroic actions of the Good Samaritan who stopped the suspect," a mall spokesperson said. I guess they think it would have been better for the shooter to continue for 77 minutes. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:05:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That quote will be…um…triggering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/elisjsha-dicken.jpg?quality=15&strip=all&w=1100 Elisjsha Dicken He also shared a post that read, “Arms are the only true badge of liberty.” https://heavy.com/news/elisjsha-dicken/ That quote will be…um…triggering. Sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:12:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but imagine the GD 40 hate if it was a G27 (with a +1). Imagine if it was a 1911 - in 9mm. A series 80 gun. With cheap mags. Running Ball ammo. And it was either Tula or brown bear. Steel cased. 
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:13:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The stupid bitch deleted that one. She just put it up on Instagram…. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:20:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd wait until we had better confirmation rather than taking the word of a hours-old '22 account, maybe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They really fucking banned him for life? REALLY? Off to write a few emails to management. I'd wait until we had better confirmation rather than taking the word of a hours-old '22 account, maybe? Agree... We've been to that mall many times. Rest assured if they really banned him, we will never set foot in there again. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:22:16 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:27:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What in the actual fuck? I'd find a different trainer.... How does he teach with his head firmly wedged up his ass? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hell I attended active shooter training at my church and the police officer giving training was against it. Also he is a school resource police officer. What in the actual fuck? I'd find a different trainer.... How does he teach with his head firmly wedged up his ass? Its been posted on here time and time again from posters that many cops are completely against and upset that anyone besides them could be armed for their protection, even in a church for christ sakes(now a well know target). I don't know if its a freak out over background checked concealed legally armed citizens, or a hero complex where they want to be the only saviors with a gun (except for "uvaulde 400") Liberal lunatics especially in NY are salivating the next shooting in NY because of the "everywhere public CCW ban" they cannot wait to put a felony on the next good Samaritan |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:27:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Possible scenario: - Mall lawyers likely recommended the no-gun signage and likely recommended banning any identified CCW holder from the mall because that may be their standard recourse for no-gun rule violators. - Mall knows there may be a lawsuit(s) filed against them (such as insufficient security on duty; insufficient no-gun signage, etc). - Mall may argue both perp & CCW holder violated their no-gun rules (in an attempt to mitigate some or all liability exposure). - Mall may very well drag the CCW holder into the lawsuit (if CCW holder isn't already named in the suit). - CCW holder may very well need financial donations for lawyers/defense costs (TBD). Hopefully, none of the above will happen. Time will tell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Possible scenario: - Mall lawyers likely recommended the no-gun signage and likely recommended banning any identified CCW holder from the mall because that may be their standard recourse for no-gun rule violators. - Mall knows there may be a lawsuit(s) filed against them (such as insufficient security on duty; insufficient no-gun signage, etc). - Mall may argue both perp & CCW holder violated their no-gun rules (in an attempt to mitigate some or all liability exposure). - Mall may very well drag the CCW holder into the lawsuit (if CCW holder isn't already named in the suit). - CCW holder may very well need financial donations for lawyers/defense costs (TBD). Hopefully, none of the above will happen. Time will tell. If you have Facebook, there's a 32min presser on Fox59's Facebook page. There was no mention he was already banned from the mall. I think the guy who posted that is talking out of his posterior. I think it's a little quick to immediately say they've already banned him Mall will almost certainly be sued, there's some bottom feeder lawyer out there already licking his chops I'm sure. As for the shooter.. From the press conference, he did not have a permit and was carrying under constitutional carry (which literally just went into effect the beginning of this month). As for any legal jeopardy for the shooter... https://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/files/Gun-Owners-Bill-of-Rights_Web.pdf Q: Could I be sued if I use my gun to defend myself, my home, or a third person? A: While it is very easy to file a lawsuit against anyone, Indiana law provides complete civil immunity to a person who uses force (including deadly force) if that force is justified under Indiana’s self-defense statute. Ind. Code § 35-41-3-2. If a court determines a person who files a lawsuit was committing a forcible felony or attempting to cause unlawful serious bodily injury or death at the time justified force was used against them in self-defense, the case will be dismissed. The original attacker will be required to cover additional costs, including attorneys’ fees. This law also applies to the family or estate of a person who is killed through the justified use of force. Ind. Code § 34-30-31-1. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:28:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We just got constitutional carry here on 7/1. I hope it applies to the good guy here. Fuckers on social media keep on about blood in the streets bs. According to the press conference they had... he was carrying under Constitiutional Carry.. no permit.. Funny how Doug Carter (state police super intendent.. and VOCAL critic of Constitutional Carry).. sent one of his Lt's. to this presser rather than going himself. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:36:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for any legal jeopardy for the shooter... Q: Could I be sued if I use my gun to defend myself, my home, or a third person? A: While it is very easy to file a lawsuit against anyone, Indiana law provides complete civil immunity to a person who uses force (including deadly force) if that force is justified under Indiana’s self-defense statute. Ind. Code § 35-41-3-2. If a court determines a person who files a lawsuit was committing a forcible felony or attempting to cause unlawful serious bodily injury or death at the time justified force was used against them in self-defense, the case will be dismissed. The original attacker will be required to cover additional costs, including attorneys’ fees. This law also applies to the family or estate of a person who is killed through the justified use of force. Ind. Code § 34-30-31-1. https://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/files/Gun-Owners-Bill-of-Rights_Web.pdf Excellent. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:38:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Samaritan shot 10 rounds from a Glock and put the bad guy down before he could retreat back into the bathroom. I guess they were right.. all we need is 10 rounds..     /sarcasm If i knew how to do the roll on the ground laughing smiley i'd have done it :) |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:51:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excerpts from news article identifies those involved: At 5:57 p.m., Elisjsha Dicken, an armed bystander, fired on Sapirman. Dicken fired 10 rounds hitting Sapirman as Sapirman tried to retreat into the bathroom but collapsed and died. Dicken had no police training or military background, according to police. He was carrying under the new "Constitutional Carry" law and did not have a permit. Provided he didn't hit anyone else and knew what was behind his target, then: 
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Posted: 7/18/2022 4:57:24 PM EST
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So, I get that what I'm about to say is kind of tin foil, but .
Remember how all the riots seemed to just kind of stop after Rittenhouse did the thing? We've had four high profile mass shooting events in how many weeks? Wonder if they stop? Ok, putting down the Reynolds Wrap |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:08:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryWas/Were. Evil pos. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:17:27 PM EST
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Glock 9mm caliber FTW! Hopefully, 9mm luger.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:36:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock 9mm caliber FTW! Hopefully, 9mm luger. Thank goodness it wasn't 30SC, we would never hear the end of it! |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:41:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somebody said he was mad his girlfriend couldn't get an abortion in Indiana. Guess it could have been his girlfriend's boyfriend who knocked her up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Incel? Somebody said he was mad his girlfriend couldn't get an abortion in Indiana. Guess it could have been his girlfriend's boyfriend who knocked her up. The crazy thing is.. I don't think Indiana has passed any laws on abortion yet, so she could have. Gonna probably call BS on that one. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:43:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but imagine the GD 40 hate if it was a G27 (with a +1). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'ma hoping its a G26 with a flush mag. Yeah, but imagine the GD 40 hate if it was a G27 (with a +1). Presser said it was a 9mm Glock... No other details. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:48:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Provided he didn't hit anyone else and knew what was behind his target, then: https://c.tenor.com/e7558N5BHEMAAAAM/clap-slowclap.gif The police chief mentioned last night in the mall parking lot, and again in the presser, he was "very proficient" with his firearm. Not saying he didn't hit anyone else... but it doesn't seem that way. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:04:16 PM EST
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Update the OP with some of your posts. Thank you.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:05:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine if it was a 1911 - in 9mm. A series 80 gun. With cheap mags. Running Ball ammo. And it was either Tula or brown bear. Steel cased. I might have missed a joke or satire but I think any incoming fire on the shooter fucks up his plans. They said in the presser that he was retreating back to the head. Don't know if it was after he was shot or trying for cover. Roy |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:09:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liberalism is a mental disorder. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439317/Capture_PNG-2457601.png They forgot "Have a parade for him." |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:14:17 PM EST
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Has it been mentioned the mall that thanked the defender had a no firearms policy that the defender violated?
Lesson there |
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