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Posted: 12/3/2023 7:35:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm talking about MI though. MI isn't a lost cause despite how much some may say it is. If enough people buy into that notion, then it surely will be. The founders risked far more - if this is all I end up risking to fight for my family, friends and neighbor's rights, I'll consider myself blessed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I lived in Michigan, I would make it top priority to move out of the state. Why, so you could take your forum of government with you?  If one is not willing to stand and fight for ones rights in the state they live in, they sure aren't going to stand and fight for my right in my state. Stay where you cause we don't want you. That is pretty ignorant and completely untrue. Ever hear of a tactical retreat ? Some positions aren't savable. Your state has gotten redder. There has been an influx of people moving into Montana and Idaho as you know. Plenty of them are red voters. Would you rather they stayed away ? I think you're all missing his point. Sounds like he's saying if you aren't willing to fight for your state don't move to his and become the same deadweight that you were in your last state. Your point on tactical retreat is valid but it shouldn't be plan A. Why is there an assumption that people stuck in blue states aren't fighting ? Heck even just voting is fighting on a small level. If all someone does is move to a red state, and vote Republican, work a job and raise their families they wouldn't be dead weight. Who's making that assumption? Obviously the ones who stay are fighting. The ones who LEAVE are not. Doing all those things is fine and good until their new state is threatened by leftism then, "see ya!" Not necessarily. Plenty of people stay and suffer and don't fight at all. As for the second part is enough people would move we would shore up the purple and red states so they aren't threatened. I don't get the hate for conservative people that move from a blue state to a red state, its like you want people to suffer forever just because of where they were born. You really think anyone is going to fix California or New York ? No they're just going to suffer their whole life. Sure - nothing's absolute but you can't fight at all if you leave, nor do you have the incentive. If a state is already red, they should stay vigilant and not become complacent. Conservatives in purple states should start fightong now before they turn blue. Conservatives in blue states should fight to flip their state back. Unfortunately we never have the stomach to take the fight to them. No hate - I just don't respect people who cut and run. BTW - "forever" is a bit dubious. It's been a yr since MI flipped and like I said before, it was moving in many good directions before that. Do you really think there is any realistic chance of flipping states like Ca, Ny, Nj, or Illinois back ? Of course not. They would do a lot more good trying to help those purple states not turn blue. I understand Michigan isn't quite as blue as Ca, Ny, Ny, or Il. But I wouldn't blame someone for leaving either. You stay and you run the risk of getting caught up in the new laws and losing your freedom and/or your firearm rights. I'm talking about MI though. MI isn't a lost cause despite how much some may say it is. If enough people buy into that notion, then it surely will be. The founders risked far more - if this is all I end up risking to fight for my family, friends and neighbor's rights, I'll consider myself blessed. Were any people on the American side during the war for indepence demanding the British land more troops here? |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 3:14:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you live in or around the metro Detroit area in the 70's-90's? It's a hell of a lot better now than it was. Every media outlet has comments enabled on every social media platform. Suburbanites are still crowding downtown, even more so with the entertainment district. I was just down in Corktown this afternoon and ran into people for Howell, Dearborn, Wyandotte, South Lyon, and Grosse Isle. But you're 100% right about the GOP here. They're circling the drain. I have no desire to leave due to the weather, but I would like the GOP to stop throwing away elections so I can stay. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you live near a large town in Michigan, you can see and feel the change and decline. The local media no longer have public comment sections where people could counter "the narrative", lawlessness is becoming rampant, and suburbanites don't want to go downtown anymore. Michigan's GOP shows no signs of repairing itself. As for leaving, anyone who has lived through sixty or more Michigan winters has the right to move to someplace warm and sunny. Although, Indiana and Ohio are starting to look good, if someone wants to live within a day's drive of friends or family in Michigan. Michigan is losing population and will continue to do so, which is too bad. Michigan turning blue will just make that happen faster. Did you live in or around the metro Detroit area in the 70's-90's? It's a hell of a lot better now than it was. Every media outlet has comments enabled on every social media platform. Suburbanites are still crowding downtown, even more so with the entertainment district. I was just down in Corktown this afternoon and ran into people for Howell, Dearborn, Wyandotte, South Lyon, and Grosse Isle. But you're 100% right about the GOP here. They're circling the drain. I have no desire to leave due to the weather, but I would like the GOP to stop throwing away elections so I can stay. I'm referring to west Michigan, mainly Grand Rapids. It has gone blue, socially and politically, along with the local media. From what I can see, Lansing has gone that way too. We will have pro-Trump and anti-Trump candidates competing in the primary for Stabenow's vacant US Senate seat, which will continue to divide Michigan's GOP. |
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