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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:05:47 AM EST
[#1]
No thanks. It is bad enough that I am wider than I should be. I don't need my handgun to be fat guy trying to fit into jeans two sizes too small also.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:06:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a reasonable price for a polymer pistol.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How is this better than the P30? Honest question. It's a reasonable price for a polymer pistol. i remember when polymer guns first came out. one of the big marketing bullet points was that due the super low cost of material for the frame as well as not needing any machining, prices would be about 25% less than a comparable metal framed gun  |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:15:29 AM EST
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How is this better than the P30? Honest question. "Better" is subjective... but striker-fired guns are definitely "in" these days. IMHO: LE likes them because they can allow for a light, easy to manage trigger without "looking scary" like a cocked-and locked gun would. The gamer set likes them because they are usually crazy easy to do trigger jobs on. If (for whatever reason) Condition 1 isn't going to work for you, striker-fired is a pretty good substitute if done correctly. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:17:27 AM EST
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i remember when polymer guns first came out. one of the big marketing bullet points was that due the super low cost of material for the frame as well as not needing any machining, prices would be about 25% less than a comparable metal framed gun
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How is this better than the P30? Honest question. It's a reasonable price for a polymer pistol. i remember when polymer guns first came out. one of the big marketing bullet points was that due the super low cost of material for the frame as well as not needing any machining, prices would be about 25% less than a comparable metal framed gun
That is an excellent point. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:28:43 AM EST
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i remember when polymer guns first came out. one of the big marketing bullet points was that due the super low cost of material for the frame as well as not needing any machining, prices would be about 25% less than a comparable metal framed gun
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How is this better than the P30? Honest question. It's a reasonable price for a polymer pistol. i remember when polymer guns first came out. one of the big marketing bullet points was that due the super low cost of material for the frame as well as not needing any machining, prices would be about 25% less than a comparable metal framed gun
That's still the case. If HK made this gun and it was steel, it would cost $1500. Similar to the P7. Or you could look at MP5/UMP prices. $900 for an UMP, $1600 for an MP5. All of these prices are based off of memory. Sig P239 MSRP of $993. P250 MSRP of $466. Etc, etc. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:03:54 AM EST
[#6]
Every time somebody complains about "bore axis" God kills a kitten.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 2:56:52 PM EST
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Every time somebody complains about "bore axis" God kills a kitten. No kidding. I had never seen the term outside of super highspeed racegun discussion until this past SHOT when Sig debuted the P320. One person complained about "bore axis" and it took off from there. I can attest the P320 bore axis is not an issue outside of mental masturbation and I'm sure the VP9 won't be much difference. The only thing I have to fault on this gun (based off specs and pictures) is they didn't include an MRDS plate like the FNX-45 or M&P Pro. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 3:02:23 PM EST
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shit I'll buy one. I'll buy two--one for me and one for the fiancee. Would like to have an alternate to the PPQ. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 3:08:47 PM EST
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"Better" is subjective... but striker-fired guns are definitely "in" these days. IMHO: LE likes them because they can allow for a light, easy to manage trigger without "looking scary" like a cocked-and locked gun would. The gamer set likes them because they are usually crazy easy to do trigger jobs on. If (for whatever reason) Condition 1 isn't going to work for you, striker-fired is a pretty good substitute if done correctly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is this better than the P30? Honest question. "Better" is subjective... but striker-fired guns are definitely "in" these days. IMHO: LE likes them because they can allow for a light, easy to manage trigger without "looking scary" like a cocked-and locked gun would. The gamer set likes them because they are usually crazy easy to do trigger jobs on. If (for whatever reason) Condition 1 isn't going to work for you, striker-fired is a pretty good substitute if done correctly. We don't want a P30 because we don't want the manual safeties on those versions and don't like the LEM trigger on the other versions. 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 4:07:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If HK made this gun and it was steel, it would cost $1500. If you believe that, I've got a polymer bridge to sell you. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 4:30:33 PM EST
[#11]
Looks like a Walther PPQ
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Posted: 6/4/2014 4:35:35 PM EST
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Posted: 6/4/2014 4:38:28 PM EST
[#13]
It's cheap enough to consider purchasing.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:06:55 PM EST
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If you believe that, I've got a polymer bridge to sell you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If HK made this gun and it was steel, it would cost $1500. If you believe that, I've got a polymer bridge to sell you. $1500 is a stretch. It would be at least $1000, I'd say. The main point... there would be a price increase if it were steel. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:29:26 PM EST
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun.
Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:40:41 PM EST
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The world needs another striker fired pistol like it needs another Obama.  Exactly, did they learn nothing from the lackluster welcome and reviews that the SIG P320 is getting? Not fair I guess, since both are hitting the market within several months of each other, but it makes you wonder why both of them are offering striker guns now when the majority of their longtime customers demand DA/SA. I'm sure HK has invested billions of dollars into this project <snicker> and I'm sure the HK cheerleaders will be along shortly to anoint it the greatest polymer/striker fired pistol evar! |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:51:54 PM EST
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Exactly, did they learn nothing from the lackluster welcome and reviews that the SIG P320 is getting? Not fair I guess, since both are hitting the market within several months of each other, but it makes you wonder why both of them are offering striker guns now when the majority of their longtime customers demand DA/SA.Because long-term companies need to court new markets. And DA/SA is waning in popularity I'm sure HK has invested billions of dollars into this project <snicker> and I'm sure the HK cheerleaders will be along shortly to anoint it the greatest polymer/striker fired pistol evar! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The world needs another striker fired pistol like it needs another Obama. Exactly, did they learn nothing from the lackluster welcome and reviews that the SIG P320 is getting? Not fair I guess, since both are hitting the market within several months of each other, but it makes you wonder why both of them are offering striker guns now when the majority of their longtime customers demand DA/SA.Because long-term companies need to court new markets. And DA/SA is waning in popularity I'm sure HK has invested billions of dollars into this project <snicker> and I'm sure the HK cheerleaders will be along shortly to anoint it the greatest polymer/striker fired pistol evar! Actually it's gaining a 50/50 reception over on HKPro. Like Sig fans they have a preconceived notion of what the "should be" and due to nostalgia is held up over market forces and innovation. If I've learned nothing about gun people it's that they're perpetually terrified of anything new. Sorry, but nostalgia is a VERY limited long-term business strategy. Funny thing about the P320 and the VP9 is that neither company has any plans to drop their legacy lines. This merely adds more variety to attract more customers. Long term customers are great, but companies need to attract NEW customers in order to survive long term. You act like companies that add new products are pissing on their old customers even when the old product line is still completely supported and produced. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:04:39 PM EST
[#18]
Because we are HK, and we hate you. I like my P30.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:07:01 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryWhat's your point? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:07:33 PM EST
[#20]
Love the P30 but haven't had the need for one. This I will be purchasing.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:13:44 PM EST
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I'd been holding off on a P30. But I can see myself getting a VP9. No uglier than a Glock or Walther. I think it is interesting how streamlined a lot of designs are getting. Everything is an AR or Glock derivative. Get the P30L |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:24:12 PM EST
[#22]
I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:27:05 PM EST
[#23]
sort of want
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:36:17 PM EST
[#24]
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I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Maybe they couldn't bring themselves (and piss customers off) by lowering prices, so another model. 
I handled HKs but never bought one. Kinda nice, but not $900-1000+ nice. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:44:39 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryI've got a Gen 1 PPQ, it's a great gun. Walther totally fucked it up, when they switched to the push button mag release. Like I said before I will have one of these! |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:47:32 PM EST
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I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Now that I think about it, I've never personally seen a gun shop that carries HK pistols. (which seems strange) |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:48:52 PM EST
[#27]
Looks like the Taurus 24/7
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:49:57 PM EST
[#28]
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I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Not going to happen if the $700 MSRP is correct. A $600ish HK pistol will sell well because 1. It will likely be top-notch 2. The brand name will appeal to those who always wanted an HK product but could never afford one 3. It offers features like being fully ambidextrous, customizable to the hand, and if it is like the P30, it is the easiest pistol to rack the slide back which is really appealing to a lot of customers. It's an HK product, not a bastardized SIG P250 striker or a FN marketing dud. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:54:50 PM EST
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Not going to happen if the $700 MSRP is correct. A $600ish HK pistol will sell well because 1. It will likely be top-notch 2. The brand name will appeal to those who always wanted an HK product but could never afford one 3. It offers features like being fully ambidextrous, customizable to the hand, and if it is like the P30, it is the easiest pistol to rack the slide back which is really appealing to a lot of customers. It's an HK product, not a bastardized SIG P250 striker or a FN marketing dud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Not going to happen if the $700 MSRP is correct. A $600ish HK pistol will sell well because 1. It will likely be top-notch 2. The brand name will appeal to those who always wanted an HK product but could never afford one 3. It offers features like being fully ambidextrous, customizable to the hand, and if it is like the P30, it is the easiest pistol to rack the slide back which is really appealing to a lot of customers. It's an HK product, not a bastardized SIG P250 striker or a FN marketing dud. http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/HK-VP9-9mm-with-Two-10rd-Magazines-700009A5 |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:57:26 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's your point? Quote HistoryQuoted: What's your point? I'm in favor of more competitive actions by comoanies. Competition breeds innovation.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:57:30 PM EST
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I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Not going to happen if the $700 MSRP is correct. A $600ish HK pistol will sell well because 1. It will likely be top-notch 2. The brand name will appeal to those who always wanted an HK product but could never afford one 3. It offers features like being fully ambidextrous, customizable to the hand, and if it is like the P30, it is the easiest pistol to rack the slide back which is really appealing to a lot of customers. It's an HK product, not a bastardized SIG P250 striker or a FN marketing dud. http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/HK-VP9-9mm-with-Two-10rd-Magazines-700009A5 I don't trust Knesek but all indications looks good on the price. Like I said, the gun will sell well. If it has a good trigger, it will sell even better. Should be a great success for the company. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:59:57 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Not going to happen if the $700 MSRP is correct. A $600ish HK pistol will sell well because 1. It will likely be top-notch 2. The brand name will appeal to those who always wanted an HK product but could never afford one 3. It offers features like being fully ambidextrous, customizable to the hand, and if it is like the P30, it is the easiest pistol to rack the slide back which is really appealing to a lot of customers. It's an HK product, not a bastardized SIG P250 striker or a FN marketing dud. http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/HK-VP9-9mm-with-Two-10rd-Magazines-700009A5 |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:25:13 PM EST
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Looks like a Walther PPQ More like the PPX I'd say: 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:31:01 PM EST
[#34]
I'd like to shoot one and see how I like it. I love my Glocks, but if someone comes up with something better, I'd consider switching.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:33:49 PM EST
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My USPc9 killed my desire for all things HK
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:40:26 PM EST
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My USP9 survived ColaWarrior and performed admirably. I don't see where this does anything an M&P doesn't, for less money.
Looks pretty though. Has HK instead of S&W on the side. So... ... I'll probably buy one. Maybe used.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:51:40 PM EST
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:58:33 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I played with a VP9 today and without question it has the best stock trigger of any striker fired gun I have ever held. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:01:53 PM EST
[#39]
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Said "Hi-PointHero". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:08:38 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you questioning that I played with one or that I don't know what a good trigger is? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:13:13 PM EST
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Just noting the ironic username, that's all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you questioning that I played with one or that I don't know what a good trigger is? potato proof 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:37:21 PM EST
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I like it but i'm a little confused by it.
My P30L with LEM trigger is operated exactly the same as any striker fired gun with a safety. BUT unlike a Glock or XD or M&P, - you can pull the trigger again for a second strike if you so choose, though at a much harder and longer trigger pull. So - why can't HK market their LEM trigger to LE instead of creating a whole new pistol? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:39:33 PM EST
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I like it but i'm a little confused by it. My P30L with LEM trigger is operated exactly the same as any striker fired gun with a safety. BUT unlike a Glock or XD or M&P, - you can pull the trigger again for a second strike if you so choose, though at a much harder and longer trigger pull. So - why can't HK market their LEM trigger to LE instead of creating a whole new pistol? Because with the price of the VP9, it will be a near direct competitor with the Glocks, M&P's, and XD's of the world. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:44:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I played with a VP9 today and without question it has the best stock trigger of any striker fired gun I have ever held. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. If its as good as or better than the PPQ trigger, Ill get one. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:45:16 PM EST
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Why fix what is broken?
I'll stick with Glock. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:46:58 PM EST
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I played with a VP9 today and without question it has the best stock trigger of any striker fired gun I have ever held. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. How does the trigger compare to the ppq? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:47:27 PM EST
[#47]
Hi-PointHero, can you compare the trigger to the PPQ? Or elaborate at all?
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:51:32 PM EST
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I like it but i'm a little confused by it. My P30L with LEM trigger is operated exactly the same as any striker fired gun with a safety. BUT unlike a Glock or XD or M&P, - you can pull the trigger again for a second strike if you so choose, though at a much harder and longer trigger pull. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:51:37 PM EST
[#49]
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No thanks. Glock already has this down. But Hk did it first.... |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:53:32 PM EST
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Why fix what is broken? I'll stick with Glock. hahahahaha |
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