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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:54:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The P30 LEM trigger is decent for a DAO, but it is terrible compared to the VP9 or even a Glock and I don't see much use in being able to double strike a dud primer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like it but i'm a little confused by it. My P30L with LEM trigger is operated exactly the same as any striker fired gun with a safety. BUT unlike a Glock or XD or M&P, - you can pull the trigger again for a second strike if you so choose, though at a much harder and longer trigger pull. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:56:53 PM EST
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The P30 LEM trigger is decent for a DAO, but it is terrible compared to the VP9 or even a Glock and I don't see much use in being able to double strike a dud primer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like it but i'm a little confused by it. My P30L with LEM trigger is operated exactly the same as any striker fired gun with a safety. BUT unlike a Glock or XD or M&P, - you can pull the trigger again for a second strike if you so choose, though at a much harder and longer trigger pull. The LEM is not a DAO trigger in the traditional sense. It is a "half cocked" trigger just like any striker fired pistol. I switch between my LEM equipped HKs and Glock gen 4 fairly often - the triggers are somewhat different but saying one is "terrible" compared to the other is not correct. Not interested in debating the usefulness of a second strike capability. I only mentioned it to illustrate the mechanical difference between HK's LEM and other striker fired pistol designs, which require a slide movement to 're-half-cock' the striker. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:02:05 PM EST
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I'm sure it's a fine pistol, but it is ugly as sin. HKs used to be sexy.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:03:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda want one... Been shooting like shit with my G19 lately, so clearly I need a new pistol  I love my Glock 19 because it fits my hand like a glove, but man oh man do I hate the long heavy trigger pull. Of course, this is my first striker fired pistol - I'm used to shooting DA/SA pistols.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:04:19 PM EST
[#5]
So what does it do that my Glocks don't already?
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:06:02 PM EST
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I predict these will be a commercial flop. HK had to do something new since they are loosing more market share in the handgun market every year. Not going to happen if the $700 MSRP is correct. A $600ish HK pistol will sell well because 1. It will likely be top-notch 2. The brand name will appeal to those who always wanted an HK product but could never afford one 3. It offers features like being fully ambidextrous, customizable to the hand, and if it is like the P30, it is the easiest pistol to rack the slide back which is really appealing to a lot of customers. It's an HK product, not a bastardized SIG P250 striker or a FN marketing dud. http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/HK-VP9-9mm-with-Two-10rd-Magazines-700009A5 And now I want one... 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:06:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word. DAO does not equal striker fired, and if I get a bad round I'm getting that bastard out of my gun not trying to shoot it again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like it but i'm a little confused by it. My P30L with LEM trigger is operated exactly the same as any striker fired gun with a safety. BUT unlike a Glock or XD or M&P, - you can pull the trigger again for a second strike if you so choose, though at a much harder and longer trigger pull. My LEM v1 P30 had a terrible trigger. Looooooooooonnnggggg pull then a spongy release. Imperceptible reset.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:06:50 PM EST
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So what does it do that my Glocks don't already? What does an M&P do? A Walther? An XD? Your Glocks aren't going anywhere, but they are not for everybody. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:07:10 PM EST
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How does the trigger compare to the ppq? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. How does the trigger compare to the ppq? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:09:55 PM EST
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If you shoot the PPQ, the VP9 trigger will feel very very familiar. The break seemed a bit more crisp and the pull felt ~20% lighter than the PPQ. The reset was about as short as the PPQ but the VP9 was much more positive, there is a noticeable and somewhat strong push forward on your finger when the trigger resets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. How does the trigger compare to the ppq? Impressive. I have never shot a PPQ, but I have heard from many people that it has one of the best factory striker fired triggers out there. If it is really as good or better than that, with HK name recognition and prices comparable to other service pistols, that think will be a hit. Not to mention there is already a gun that uses the same magazines out there, which is always a plus. I don't have any use for one, but I would love to try one out someday. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:11:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it would make better sense to make a subcompact version of the vp9. If there is one thing striker fired pistols are great for, it is small guns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll get one, but I want P30 sk first. I think it would make better sense to make a subcompact version of the vp9. If there is one thing striker fired pistols are great for, it is small guns.  I love my P2000SK. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:15:22 PM EST
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I handled an LEM P30 today. I liked it (used to DA/SA), except for the price.
I don't think I've ever really wanted a brand new pistol like an affordable HK before. I don't even care if the mags are expensive, they'll be easy to find if it shares the same mags as the P30. 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:16:20 PM EST
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to...
Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:17:30 PM EST
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to... Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. Yuck. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:21:56 PM EST
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to... Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. 1. Grind the mother fuckers off with a dremel. 2. Use a sharpie to cover up the silvery colored stuff. 3. Go shooting. 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:22:17 PM EST
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to... Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. I ain't even mad.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:23:19 PM EST
[#17]
I think it looks hideous.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:24:37 PM EST
[#18]
Bigger in every dimension than a G19 and only holds 15?
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:26:09 PM EST
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Bigger in every dimension than a G19 and only holds 15? Fuck the G19. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:27:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck the G19. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bigger in every dimension than a G19 and only holds 15? Fuck the G19.  |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:28:19 PM EST
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to... Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. Why can't you just completely remove the rear sight? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:35:14 PM EST
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Why can't you just completely remove the rear sight? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to... Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. Why can't you just completely remove the rear sight? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:53:57 PM EST
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Also, those 2 slide assist tabs on both sides of the slide under the rear sight is a really cool feature but if you don't like them you have to... Drift the rear sight to the left Slide the tab(I don't know what HK calls them) out Slide the included spacer in Drift the rear sight to the right Slide the tab out Slide the spacer in Drift the rear sight to the center Sight the gun in again. Who gives a shit? You only have to do it once, and I'm going to swap that sight out for a set of night sights right away regardless. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:07:57 PM EST
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I think I'd like it better than the P30. The trigger looks straighter, at least, even though the grip inserts still appear to mimic those of the P30, which are available in three flavors: "too small", "meh" and "lumpy as fuck".
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:11:16 PM EST
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More like the PPX I'd say: http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/PPX-1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like a Walther PPQ More like the PPX I'd say: http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/PPX-1.jpg  Those both look like the P30, which came far before either of those Walthers.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:14:57 PM EST
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Fuck the G19. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bigger in every dimension than a G19 and only holds 15? Fuck the G19. Well shit, tell me how you really feel
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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:52:42 AM EST
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If you shoot the PPQ, the VP9 trigger will feel very very familiar. The break seemed a bit more crisp and the pull felt ~20% lighter than the PPQ. The reset was about as short as the PPQ but the VP9 was much more positive, there is a noticeable and somewhat strong push forward on your finger when the trigger resets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HK hasnt released a gun with a "good" trigger in a long time, and that includes the "match" triggers. Im interested in seeing how they fare with a striker fired gun. Also, dead ringer for a PPQ. How does the trigger compare to the ppq? Ok... is the takeup less than the excessive amount on the PPQ? |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:22:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Ok... is the takeup less than the excessive amount on the PPQ? |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:23:27 AM EST
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I don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Ok... is the takeup less than the excessive amount on the PPQ? You just got done comparing the two triggers 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:31:37 AM EST
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No thanks. Glock already has this down. Better price tag too. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 2:12:27 AM EST
[#31]
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You just got done comparing the two triggers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:Ok... is the takeup less than the excessive amount on the PPQ? You just got done comparing the two triggers |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 2:41:02 AM EST
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It costs over $200 more than a new Gen4 Glock...
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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:51:03 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols are meant to have external hammers. The way god intended. This. I have a Glock 19. It's not perfect, but it's REALLY easy to work on, and magazines are cheap. Plus the aftermarket accessories choices are enormous. For about $15 you can reduce the trigger pull to 3.5 lbs. So easy to do. REAL striker fired perfection is a P7M8. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:07:23 AM EST
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It costs over $200 more than a new Gen4 Glock... Cheapest Glock 19 Gen 4 on GunBroker is $494 with a $522 buy-it-now. The VP9 is already reported to be in the $650 range. In other words... it's not "over $200 more". |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:19:03 AM EST
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It costs over $200 more than a new Gen4 Glock... ...but it probably won't require umpteen different spring changes to get it running properly like the 4th gen Glocks did when they hit the shelves. And that, ultimately, is the point. H&K makes guns differently than most other manufacturers. They're stubborn about making their own small parts, materials, quality control...and that tends to result in a product on the shelf that exhibits fewer problems than most of their competitors. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:29:42 AM EST
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SO is there a widespread release eta? Is it already beginning to trickle out to stores?
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:39:49 AM EST
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For $650 how could I say no?
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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:47:45 AM EST
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So what does it do that my Glocks don't already? Fit the tiny hands of my fiancee. 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:49:10 AM EST
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REAL striker fired carry handgun perfection is a P7M8. FIFY.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:53:39 AM EST
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It costs over $200 more than a new Gen4 Glock... Don't the new Gen 4's have extraction and ejection issues, though? 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:35:21 PM EST
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Cheapest Glock 19 Gen 4 on GunBroker is $494 with a $522 buy-it-now. The VP9 is already reported to be in the $650 range. In other words... it's not "over $200 more". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It costs over $200 more than a new Gen4 Glock... Cheapest Glock 19 Gen 4 on GunBroker is $494 with a $522 buy-it-now. The VP9 is already reported to be in the $650 range. In other words... it's not "over $200 more". Low capacity and overheating issues Lol perfection |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:47:11 PM EST
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Thread needs more beauty, such as a Grey Guns modified longslide P7
Carry on |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:59:48 PM EST
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The P7 is the striker fired beauty they've already made.
This thing looks like a mess. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:24:57 PM EST
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how the hell would anyone think P7 is "beautiful"??? it looks uglier than glock
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:28:10 PM EST
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:28:43 PM EST
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walther beat them to it.
and it should be $619 msrp with a street price of $550 |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:34:34 PM EST
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Low capacity and overheating issues Lol perfection Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It costs over $200 more than a new Gen4 Glock... Cheapest Glock 19 Gen 4 on GunBroker is $494 with a $522 buy-it-now. The VP9 is already reported to be in the $650 range. In other words... it's not "over $200 more". Low capacity and overheating issues Lol perfection L2Quote |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:38:39 PM EST
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!"
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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:36:54 PM EST
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That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 6:56:46 PM EST
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CDNN will be blowing these out in a year or two. That's when I'll buy one... |
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