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Posted: 5/24/2021 10:21:32 PM EDT
[#1]
Looks like another Glock copy
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Posted: 5/24/2021 10:23:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My beretta pico has a paddle mag release, and it's tiny. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's zero reason for a rail or an optic cut on a pistol the size of a p365. Who wants a micro9 with a surefire and trijicon on it?? It's not a full size pistol, not a compact, not even a subcompact. It's smaller than all of them and you want to bolt a truck onto it. I for one like to keep my micro 9 clean and as small as possible. That said, I like everything that I saw in the schematics. I'm a bit surprised by the button mag release and would've normally preferred the typical hk style, but I'll keep an open mind. My beretta pico has a paddle mag release, and it's tiny. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 10:23:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any pistol you ever plan on having to shoot someone with needs a light on it. Bad guys don't go home with the sun goes down.  https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Surefire-Xsc-G43x.jpg You don’t need a light on your carry pistol. You need to carry a light, but it doesn’t have to be on your pistol. If you carry one on your pistol, you still need to carry one separate. For home defense and otherwise, sure. Not needed or even a want for a carry gun. Close to useless even. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 10:39:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you getting twice the price? My VP9SK and P30SK LE models with night sights and three mags were both sub $600. This is fair; HKs newer models have been much more affordably priced than the USPs, etc... |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 10:48:45 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t need a light on your carry pistol. You need to carry a light, but it doesn’t have to be on your pistol. If you carry one on your pistol, you still need to carry one. For home defense and otherwise, sure. Not needed or even a want for a carry gun. Close to useless even. And yet as pistols continue to get smaller, rails and optic cuts continue to be more and more common and popular. And light and optic manufacturers continue to introduce smaller lights and optics to fit them. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 10:54:44 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryAnd? You don’t need a light on your carry gun. You want one, your preference. That wasn’t what was discussed here. The reality is you still have to carry a handheld even if you carry a light on your carry gun. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And? You don’t need a light on your carry gun. You want one, your preference. That wasn’t what was discussed here. The reality is you still have to carry a handheld even if you carry a light on your carry gun. I don't have one on mine; but as I said before it will be a tough sell to people that they should buy a particular pistol when it has fewer features, and since it is an HK it is likely to cost more than current options from Sig and Springfield. Don't have one? That's one thing. Can't mount one? That's another and means my options may be limited if I want to in the future. And you're still not addressing the increasing popularity of red dots on carry guns. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:06:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have one on mine; but as I said before it will be a tough sell to people that they should buy a particular pistol when it has fewer features, and since it is an HK it is likely to cost more than current options from Sig and Springfield. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And? You don’t need a light on your carry gun. You want one, your preference. That wasn’t what was discussed here. The reality is you still have to carry a handheld even if you carry a light on your carry gun. I don't have one on mine; but as I said before it will be a tough sell to people that they should buy a particular pistol when it has fewer features, and since it is an HK it is likely to cost more than current options from Sig and Springfield. I agree with you. More features are often better; and the compact pistol market is really benefiting from all these different options vs 10 years ago.Not what I was debating with the other guy though. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:12:22 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My beretta pico has a paddle mag release, and it’s tiny. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's zero reason for a rail or an optic cut on a pistol the size of a p365. Who wants a micro9 with a surefire and trijicon on it?? It's not a full size pistol, not a compact, not even a subcompact. It's smaller than all of them and you want to bolt a truck onto it. I for one like to keep my micro 9 clean and as small as possible. That said, I like everything that I saw in the schematics. I'm a bit surprised by the button mag release and would've normally preferred the typical hk style, but I'll keep an open mind. My beretta pico has a paddle mag release, and it’s tiny. Picos kick ass |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:12:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put the larger HK45 paddle on my USPs. The regular paddle is a bit small. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's zero reason for a rail or an optic cut on a pistol the size of a p365. Who wants a micro9 with a surefire and trijicon on it?? It's not a full size pistol, not a compact, not even a subcompact. It's smaller than all of them and you want to bolt a truck onto it. I for one like to keep my micro 9 clean and as small as possible. That said, I like everything that I saw in the schematics. I'm a bit surprised by the button mag release and would've normally preferred the typical hk style, but I'll keep an open mind. My beretta pico has a paddle mag release, and it's tiny. Large HK paddles kick ass too |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Picos kick ass Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's zero reason for a rail or an optic cut on a pistol the size of a p365. Who wants a micro9 with a surefire and trijicon on it?? It's not a full size pistol, not a compact, not even a subcompact. It's smaller than all of them and you want to bolt a truck onto it. I for one like to keep my micro 9 clean and as small as possible. That said, I like everything that I saw in the schematics. I'm a bit surprised by the button mag release and would've normally preferred the typical hk style, but I'll keep an open mind. My beretta pico has a paddle mag release, and it’s tiny. Picos kick ass It’s an awesome little pocket pistol. I wish they made something just like it but 9mm. The nano is way bigger. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:29:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's be honest. There's no reason for it with those two guns except to appeal to the self imagined operators. If you can carry a red dot and a light, you don't need a micro 9 and should step up to a subcompact or compact 9, if not a full size gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, the P365 and Hellcat certainly do. Let's be honest. There's no reason for it with those two guns except to appeal to the self imagined operators. If you can carry a red dot and a light, you don't need a micro 9 and should step up to a subcompact or compact 9, if not a full size gun. *Angry poor noises* |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:35:52 PM EDT
[#13]
All this bitching PLEASE.
It's something they are building for the Americans. They are calling it the "Ghetto Blaster"!!!! |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 11:59:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any pistol you ever plan on having to shoot someone with needs a light on it. Bad guys don't go home with the sun goes down. https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Surefire-Xsc-G43x.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's zero reason for a rail or an optic cut on a pistol the size of a p365. Who wants a micro9 with a surefire and trijicon on it?? It's not a full size pistol, not a compact, not even a subcompact. It's smaller than all of them and you want to bolt a truck onto it. I for one like to keep my micro 9 clean and as small as possible. That said, I like everything that I saw in the schematics. I'm a bit surprised by the button mag release and would've normally preferred the typical hk style, but I'll keep an open mind. Any pistol you ever plan on having to shoot someone with needs a light on it. Bad guys don't go home with the sun goes down. https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Surefire-Xsc-G43x.jpg Ever hear of Harries or Rogers, just to name a few? I didn’t think so. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 12:03:05 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they're cut for an optic I'm interested, if not then meh. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 12:47:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer the paddle too, however, the button release makes sense on a smaller frame gun. Paddle release makes even more sense on a compact concealed carry pistol. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 12:50:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Strong flex would be to cut them for the Trijicon RMRcc. I would buy it |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 1:09:40 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All this bitching PLEASE. It's something they are building for the Americans. They are calling it the "Ghetto Blaster"!!!! Noveske copyrighted Ghetto Blaster years ago. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 1:40:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: That's right, real actual "breaking" news in GD for once! As soon as I heard about a new "big announcement" from HK I did some sleuthing. Found a patent just issued for a new handgun couple weeks ago. Remember you heard about it here first: https://uspto.report/patent/grant/D918,328#D00000 ....and I bet the mags are gonna cost $182636472738 like all their other mags. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 8:31:52 AM EDT
[#20]
Wish they’d get on with the announcement since the secrets is out.
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Posted: 5/25/2021 8:33:32 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paddle release makes even more sense on a compact concealed carry pistol. Wouldn’t surprise me if that is still an option looking at the shape of the cut out at the base of the trigger guard. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 10:30:38 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paddle release makes even more sense on a compact concealed carry pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer the paddle too, however, the button release makes sense on a smaller frame gun. Paddle release makes even more sense on a compact concealed carry pistol. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 10:36:57 AM EDT
[#23]
So, G43 size? They're a little late, everyone want's G43x size.
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Posted: 5/25/2021 11:04:01 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever hear of Harries or Rogers, just to name a few? I didn’t think so. Sure. And their doctrine made a lot of sense a few decades ago, before good compact weaponlights were a thing. |
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Posted: 5/25/2021 11:12:15 AM EDT
[#25]
that looks nice on paper.
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Posted: 5/25/2021 11:29:32 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. And their doctrine made a lot of sense a few decades ago, before good compact weaponlights were a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ever hear of Harries or Rogers, just to name a few? I didn’t think so. Sure. And their doctrine made a lot of sense a few decades ago, before good compact weaponlights were a thing. Decades ago? Really? Try the Rogers technique with that Maglite from decades ago. These techniques are still being taught and utilized today. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 10:13:03 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any pistol you ever plan on having to shoot someone with needs a light on it. Bad guys don't go home with the sun goes down. https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Surefire-Xsc-G43x.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's zero reason for a rail or an optic cut on a pistol the size of a p365. Who wants a micro9 with a surefire and trijicon on it?? It's not a full size pistol, not a compact, not even a subcompact. It's smaller than all of them and you want to bolt a truck onto it. I for one like to keep my micro 9 clean and as small as possible. That said, I like everything that I saw in the schematics. I'm a bit surprised by the button mag release and would've normally preferred the typical hk style, but I'll keep an open mind. Any pistol you ever plan on having to shoot someone with needs a light on it. Bad guys don't go home with the sun goes down. https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Surefire-Xsc-G43x.jpg I guess it depends on role. Is it a duty or house gun? Or is it a convenient every-day light carry gun for the guy whose priority is easy unobtrusive while he is focusing on the daily aspects of his day? This HK pistol for me, would be an easy concieler while doiing my day - not 15 yard dark alley night shots. Point being, the bad ass tactical pistol with 2 battery devices, likely would be safely sitting at home, rather than on me. A bare pocket pistol, would be. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 10:56:49 AM EDT
[#28]
Needs a paddle mag release, plus an optic cut and I'm in. HK has done a lot with the VP line recently and hopefully are applying those lessons here. VP9SK that comes in about P365 wide would be perfect.
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:05:08 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paddle release makes even more sense on a compact concealed carry pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer the paddle too, however, the button release makes sense on a smaller frame gun. Paddle release makes even more sense on a compact concealed carry pistol. You’re not wrong. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:08:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Because the market was crying out with the need for a compact, striker fired, 9mm.
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:13:03 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like another Glock copy Just to remind you, Glock is a revision of a 1970's HK model. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:13:08 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm just disappointed a picture from the event it was shown at hasn't leaked
 (other than the pic with a corner of the grip) |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:18:20 AM EDT
[#33]
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:21:15 AM EDT
[#34]
I’m glad the micro compact concept has become mainstream. This means smaller lights that are still plenty bright and smaller red dots to match the micro compact pistols. When manufactures compete we all win. Even if you don’t like HK or think your G43 is the best option, it doesn’t matter. Competition drives innovation.
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:27:52 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like another Glock copy |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 11:30:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like another Glock copy Almost every striker fired polymer framed pistol has looked like a Glock since other companies started making them. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 12:30:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just bought the Shield Plus a couple weeks ago. I thought about one but can't find any magazines for sale, and they only come with one 13 round mag. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 12:58:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: speaking of copmpeting, call me when cz brings their piece to the 365 "clone" table.... if they "american" making them over in arkansas, they dont have the atf "points" scale to cntend with right? 75 is a great gun, compact is a great gun, p07 is cool, but they could all be so slimmer and shexier.... then, i f they wanna go hole hawg, we need an "offensive 9mm" platform from em like the glock 34 or mk 23, speaking of hk If CZ ever gets around to building the new plant in AR they might do that. Apparently financing problems are causing the hold up. "As for CZG, the company's CZ-USA and Dan Wesson subsidiaries have locations in Kansas City, Kansas, and Norwich, New York. They produced 20,315 pistols, 10,565 rifles, and 58 revolvers in 2019 domestically. Two years ago, CZ-USA announced an important $90 million expansion in Arkansas, namely a 65,000-square-foot manufacturing facility to be completed on approximately 73 acres at the Port of Little Rock." CZ factory delay |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:05:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *Angry poor noises* Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, the P365 and Hellcat certainly do. Let's be honest. There's no reason for it with those two guns except to appeal to the self imagined operators. If you can carry a red dot and a light, you don't need a micro 9 and should step up to a subcompact or compact 9, if not a full size gun. *Angry poor noises* Poor? WTF? P365 is like $600, plus the added cost of the optic and light.Pretty sure the whole idea was to pack as much versatility into the smallest, easily concealable package. P365xl with red dot and tlr7 is still much easier to conceal than a G19. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:23:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Will buy...
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:25:02 PM EDT
[#41]
Some if these posts make me wonder if half of them have ever touched any Hk let alone checked current pricing.
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:25:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Sooooo they copied a Hi-Point?
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:41:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor? WTF? P365 is like $600, plus the added cost of the optic and light.Pretty sure the whole idea was to pack as much versatility into the smallest, easily concealable package. P365xl with red dot and tlr7 is still much easier to conceal than a G19. Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor? WTF? P365 is like $600, plus the added cost of the optic and light.Pretty sure the whole idea was to pack as much versatility into the smallest, easily concealable package. P365xl with red dot and tlr7 is still much easier to conceal than a G19. $600 is not expensive for a handgun. Quoted: If CZ ever gets around to building the new plant in AR they might do that. Apparently financing problems are causing the hold up. "As for CZG, the company's CZ-USA and Dan Wesson subsidiaries have locations in Kansas City, Kansas, and Norwich, New York. They produced 20,315 pistols, 10,565 rifles, and 58 revolvers in 2019 domestically. Two years ago, CZ-USA announced an important $90 million expansion in Arkansas, namely a 65,000-square-foot manufacturing facility to be completed on approximately 73 acres at the Port of Little Rock." CZ factory delay I've been wondering WTF is going on with that. Dan Wesson and Colt need to leave NY and CT respectively, and it seems like a lot of the problems with the Bren 2 rollout may be related to this delay. Shades of operation chokepoint perhaps? |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:55:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious what exactly they are patenting, I looked it up. Here is the patent claim: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/54/a2/0d/93654dbfc2bca3/USD918328.pdf "The ornamental design for a handgun , as shown and described" Heck, I was unaware you could patent that. There was no other description. Nothing to indicate caliber or round count. I'm assuming it'll be a P365 13 round competitor; as I didn't see anything to indicate it's exclusively single-stack. It's called a Design Patent i.e. not a Utility Patent. God, the stupidity in this thread is overwhelming. I'll be looking forward to a paddle mag release version. If it's push-button only, then I'm not buying, and I'll stick with carrying my P7. Don't care for optics cuts or even a pic rail, personally. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 1:58:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will buy... As long as it has paddle release |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 2:00:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a Taurus... Right. I don't see anything great about this pistol at all. And being single stack, it'll have lower capacity that other plastic striker fired pistols. Being HK, it will cost a couple hundred or so extra. hard pass |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 2:43:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as it has paddle release Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will buy... As long as it has paddle release Yes. Paddle only for me. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 3:19:49 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Paddle only for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Will buy... As long as it has paddle release Yes. Paddle only for me. I kept hoping for a double-stack version of the PPS, but Walther doesn't appear interested and has apparently abandoned paddle releases also. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 10:16:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's be honest. There's no reason for it with those two guns except to appeal to the self imagined operators. If you can carry a red dot and a light, you don't need a micro 9 and should step up to a subcompact or compact 9, if not a full size gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, the P365 and Hellcat certainly do. Let's be honest. There's no reason for it with those two guns except to appeal to the self imagined operators. If you can carry a red dot and a light, you don't need a micro 9 and should step up to a subcompact or compact 9, if not a full size gun. This. |
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Posted: 5/30/2021 10:32:52 PM EDT
[#50]
Paddle mag release and ambi slide stop have my interest.
Striker fired? Ive had a bunch and always went back to hammer fired. Fourth time is the charm? 
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